Anyone ever use surrender when playing blackjack

[ttwarrior1]

i know its an option on here, what situation would you use it and do you ever take insurance at all.

I occassionally surrender if i play 2 spots and get a bj or a double down win on one hand and can just surrender on the other

[ttwarrior1]

not sure what happened, but i stayed and the dealer hit on 18, i know i pressed stay, i would of won both hands , instead i lost. O well, nothing i can do and no proof. Temptation won again as i went in to the casino. I thought i requested to have my casino blocked

[jerryhugo]

i play spanish and i do surrender when my odds are bad

[thebayareabeast]

Don't ever take insurance

-EV in a huge way

[DeluxeLiner]

Don't ever take insurance

-EV in a huge way

playing blackjack is -EV

And yes you should sometimes surrender (which is different than insurance). Insurance can be taken when the dealer has an Ace showing, and gives the house an even bigger edge if you take it.

Here is a blackjack strategy card, it will tell you win to surrender.

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/strategy/4deck.html

[tltaylor89]

I do that in toruneys

[Bluehorseshoe]

Don't ever take insurance -EV in a huge way

I thought you only take it when you have blackjack and the dealer is showing an Ace?

[shari91]

I thought you only take it when you have blackjack and the dealer is showing an Ace?

I've seen a lot of people take it when they have a 20 or even 19. I normally don't unless I've had a crap run and I want to try to protect my first decent hand in ages.

[ProfaneReality]

absolutely

[philswin]

Surrender 15, 16 against a 10, 6 against an Ace. If your expected chances of winning the hand are less than 25% it makes sense to surrender.

[Snowball]

surrender is key. can't explain when to use it, up to you.
better to lose half than lose all when it doesn't look likely

[Waz]

If you don't surrender in BJ when it's offered, then you are leaving money on the table. I always ask if they have it when sitting down at a table.

[str]

Certainly makes sense to use it when the odds of winning are 25% or thereabouts.

[yomillionaire]

According to basic strategy, there is only 4 times one should actually surrender, Surrender 16 vs 9, 10 or ace
Surrender 15 vs 10. Anything else and you are not using it to your advantage. Also, I never take insurance when I play unless the count is high and I feel a 10 coming.

[yomillionaire]

Oh almost forgot, if the game is Dealer hits on Soft 17, then Surrender 16 vs 9, 10 or ace, Surrender 15 vs 10 or ace, Surrender 17 vs ace and Surrender 8,8 vs ace.

[polskboy]

i always use surrender then i get hand like 15, 16

[Ruifgalmeida]

According to basic strategy, there is only 4 times one should actually surrender, Surrender 16 vs 9, 10 or ace
Surrender 15 vs 10. Anything else and you are not using it to your advantage. Also, I never take insurance when I play unless the count is high and I feel a 10 coming.

but even with basic strategy blackjack sucks, I cant play more that 20hands before the money is gone, prefer baccarat you can play 100hands before going broke.

[curious]

Are you talking about early surrender or late surrender?

Are you talking about playing in a casino or playing electronically?

If you are playing in a casino do you count cards?

If you play in a casino and you count cards then insurance is a +EV play (as long as you take it when the count says to).

If you play in a casino and you count cards then surrender is a +EV play ( as long as you surrender when the count says to), but more importantly surrender smooths out variance.

If you are playing electronically then your only winning move is to stop playing.

[Skidcom]

I frequently surrender my 16's against an ace. Rarely any other time

[Kaabee]

There really is no debate. In blackjack you don't play by feel, you have to go with the math. Use a chart like the earlier poster said. These charts weren't created out of thin air, they are the 100% correct plays based on EV.

[Capybara]

According to basic strategy, there is only 4 times one should actually surrender, Surrender 16 vs 9, 10 or ace
Surrender 15 vs 10. Anything else and you are not using it to your advantage. Also, I never take insurance when I play unless the count is high and I feel a 10 coming.

^^ This.

There really is no debate. In blackjack you don't play by feel, you have to go with the math. Use a chart like the earlier poster said. These charts weren't created out of thin air, they are the 100% correct plays based on EV.

^^ And this.

Nothing more needs to be said.

[coloradobuff]

nope hate it..

[thebayareabeast]

playing blackjack is -EV

And yes you should sometimes surrender (which is different than insurance). Insurance can be taken when the dealer has an Ace showing, and gives the house an even bigger edge if you take it.

Here is a blackjack strategy card, it will tell you win to surrender.

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/strategy/4deck.html

Of course a Dodger fan wrote this post...

Telling me when insurance is available to take

We were talking nsurance, not being Japanese, but yes sometimes you should be Japanese and surrender

[DeluxeLiner]

Of course a Dodger fan wrote this post...

Telling me when insurance is available to take

We were talking nsurance, not being Japanese, but yes sometimes you should be Japanese and surrender

I wasn't telling you, I was adding on for the OP.