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  • statnerds
    SBR MVP
    • 09-23-09
    • 4047

    #1
    Mortgage Apps 13 yr low or, This Economy is Fukked
    i don't know why you libs keep falling for the lies. i told you once the home buyer credit expired the economy would grind to a halt. what's next in the smoke and mirrors department? cash for kidneys?

    Home-Buying Applications Sink to 13-Year Low

    By Lynn Adler

    Reuters

    NEW YORK

    Demand for loans to purchase U.S. homes sunk to a 13-year low last week, and refinancing demand also slid despite near record-low mortgage rates, the Mortgage Bankers Association said on Wednesday.
    Requests for loans to buy homes dropped 3.1 percent in the week ended July 9, after adjusting for the Independence Day holiday, to the lowest level since December 1996, the industry group said.
    Refinancing applications fell 2.9 percent, and the mortgage market index that reflects total loan demand also fell 2.9 percent.
    Average 30-year mortgage rates edged up 0.01 percentage point to 4.69 percent, but were near the record low of 4.61 percent set in March 2009, based on MBA records dating back to 1990.
    Rock-bottom borrowing costs are helping borrowers with pristine credit to buy and those who still have equity in their homes to refinance.
    But high unemployment and foreclosures remain major hurdles, and worries that prices could dip further are also keeping many potential buyers on the sidelines.
    The April 30 expiration of homebuyer tax credits has also sapped summer purchasing activity. Buyers had raced to get in under the gun for the tax incentives this spring, and demand for loans to buy homes has fallen in nine out of the 10 weeks since the credit expired.
    Refinancings accounted for 78.7 percent of all applications last week, the same as the prior week, the MBA said.
    Talk has surfaced of a double-dip in U.S. housing, though most economists doubt a second leg down would be nearly as severe as the first.
    "It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, but if there's going to be a double-dip you might as well stay on the sidelines as opposed to coming in to buy," said Taylor Woods, president of Genpact Mortgage Services in Irvine, California, a unit of Genpact Limited .
    "With as much turmoil as there is around loans that need to be modified, short sales, foreclosures -- all of those signs really indicate to buyers and investors that there will be better prices come tomorrow," he said.
    Prices have toppled about 30 percent, on average, from their peaks four years ago, according to Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller indexes. Most estimates are for additional single-digit declines.
    "If there's one part of the economy that might suffer some sort of a double-dip it might come out of the housing market," said Cam Albright, economic research director and portfolio manager at Wilmington Trust Investment Management in Wilmington, Delaware.
  • Emily_Haines
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-14-09
    • 15917

    #2
    Bush is responsible for this whole mess. In just eight years he managed to destroy the entire nations economy. Not even god himself could fix this mess. It will take 50-100 years to recover from the damage committed by GWB.
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    • dice
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 11-28-09
      • 669

      #3
      Both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush are to blame. It was Bill Clinton and his boys who put everything in motion. Bush didn't know the severity of everything.
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #4
        Corrupt politicians mainly to blame and corrupt corporate America
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        • statnerds
          SBR MVP
          • 09-23-09
          • 4047

          #5
          Originally posted by jjgold
          Corrupt politicians mainly to blame and corrupt corporate America

          Bingo. good to see someone knows the score. both parties are fukkin crooks.

          dems have had control of Congress, and therefore Spending since 2006. 4 years.

          i can't blame obama, he has no control over spending. could veto some shit, but lacks the power to spend. fukk some of you guys really need to bone up how the government works.
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          • stikymess
            SBR MVP
            • 05-19-10
            • 3288

            #6
            Alot of finger pointing, Obama has spend money as well, so not sure that he is given a pass. I voted for Obama and although he gives a good speech, I wouldn't mind some action. End the wars like he promised.
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            • Fishhead
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 08-11-05
              • 40179

              #7
              HORRIBLE

              Nobody wants a mortgage and nobody wants to give one.....................JOKE
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              • pavyracer
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 04-12-07
                • 82857

                #8
                Bush destroyed in 8 years what other Presidents accomplished in the last 65 years. People are scared to death in buying a house knowing the vulture banks will take it away from them in a few years. Bailout for the banks but no bailout for the people who pay taxes.
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                • Surebet
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 05-29-08
                  • 691

                  #9
                  What is a trillion or two dollars now days anyway? It's like @ a casino, you loose track of the cash because it is constantly in chip form---you never see that dollar till you go to the cashier's cage. But that similarity trips us up when it comes time to imagine how those figures translate to the real world, where three more zeros make all the difference. "My favorite way to think of it is in terms of seconds," says David Schwartz, a children's book author whose How Much Is a Million? tries to wrap young minds around the concept. "One million seconds comes out to be about 11½ days. A billion seconds is 32 years. And a trillion seconds is 32,000 years. I like to say that I have a pretty good idea what I'll be doing a million seconds from now, no idea what I'll be doing a billion seconds from now, and an excellent idea of what I'll be doing a trillion seconds from now."
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                  • statnerds
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-23-09
                    • 4047

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pavyracer
                    Bush destroyed in 8 years what other Presidents accomplished in the last 65 years.
                    i just explained to you all that the President CANNOT spend money without the approval of Congress. Dems have had control of Congress since 2006. what part are you guys not getting?!?!? they (dems and reps) are in on it together. so when the dems get crushed this November and when obama loses in 2012, the debt will not stop, the removal of our personal freedoms will not stop.

                    how the fukk can anyone read this headline without pissing their pants?

                    Obama: GOP Obstructing Economic Progress


                    so you have been President for 18 months, your party has full control of Congress since 2006, but it is the Republicans fault?

                    Christ you must be the most ineffective President and party in the history of mankind!!!!!
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                    • pavyracer
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 04-12-07
                      • 82857

                      #11
                      Bush started 2 wars we are still fighting and the wars drain billions every day. When he became president there was a surplus and when he left there was a gigantic deficit and we are still fighting the wars he started. There are still terrorists around, dictators, and people who hate us. The only difference is that instead of having a surplus we are having an enormous deficit and more Americans live in the streets than own houses.
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                      • Surebet
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 05-29-08
                        • 691

                        #12
                        Originally posted by pavyracer
                        Bush started 2 wars we are still fighting and the wars drain billions every day. When he became president there was a surplus and when he left there was a gigantic deficit and we are still fighting the wars he started. There are still terrorists around, dictators, and people who hate us. The only difference is that instead of having a surplus we are having an enormous deficit and more Americans live in the streets than own houses.
                        Wars have historically been good for the economy. The 2 World Wars have had to opportunity to put the USA as the #1 economic and #1 political powerhouse in the world.
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                        • DwightShrute
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 01-17-09
                          • 103592

                          #13
                          Originally posted by pavyracer
                          Bush destroyed in 8 years what other Presidents accomplished in the last 65 years. People are scared to death in buying a house knowing the vulture banks will take it away from them in a few years. Bailout for the banks but no bailout for the people who pay taxes.
                          ya ok Emily
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                          • Surebet
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 05-29-08
                            • 691

                            #14
                            Originally posted by pavyracer
                            Bush destroyed in 8 years what other Presidents accomplished in the last 65 years. People are scared to death in buying a house knowing the vulture banks will take it away from them in a few years. Bailout for the banks but no bailout for the people who pay taxes.
                            Do you really think these Banks want the houses back so fast?
                            They had rather make money off of that Adjustable APR they offered you that has went from 3% to 25%...
                            That was the bad part---Banks were free to lend to EVERYONE, even those that can't afford to maintain their home. It was part of Clintons original plan for EVERYONE TO OWN THEIR OWN HOME??REMEMBER?
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                            • 20Four7
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 04-08-07
                              • 6703

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                              Bush is responsible for this whole mess. In just eight years he managed to destroy the entire nations economy. Not even god himself could fix this mess. It will take 50-100 years to recover from the damage committed by GWB.
                              I t will take 10 years to recover from GWB. He made it worse but then again he didn't know shit. Obama will be a one term wonder unless the economy take a great upward spike. Right now most people hate the prez just cuz he's in charge during this shit.
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                              • Surebet
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 05-29-08
                                • 691

                                #16


                                Originally posted by 20Four7

                                I t will take 10 years to recover from GWB. He made it worse but then again he didn't know shit. Obama will be a one term wonder unless the economy take a great upward spike. Right now most people hate the prez just cuz he's in charge during this shit.
                                You can always say things about the way he governed the U.S. as president and about his policy style. But when Shiat hit the fan.... He stood up for us... and for that my friend he has my respect as a fellow American...

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                                • Emily_Haines
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 04-14-09
                                  • 15917

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by 20Four7
                                  I t will take 10 years to recover from GWB. He made it worse but then again he didn't know shit. Obama will be a one term wonder unless the economy take a great upward spike. Right now most people hate the prez just cuz he's in charge during this shit.
                                  I think the president is doing an excellent job. It's just those pieces of shit on the right with their radio shows and FOX news trying to corrupt the minds of the masses. Obama got the oil leak stopped and do you think their is even one person thanking him????

                                  Obama
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                                  • BrentCrude
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-16-05
                                    • 4665

                                    #18
                                    The financial talking heads and politicians in power are nothing but cheerleaders trying to pump,pump,pump a flatlined economy.The mortal death blow has taken place and only suckers would actually risk money they earned on starting a business or buying stocks to hold.It's over.The only people that buy stocks, buy them to trade on dips,channels,peaks and valleys.They are no more interested in the economy than sports bettors.You get these little short covering rallies and the cheerleaders are singing happy days are here again.Then the government propped up the market where they artificially subsidised the big banks with tax payer future debt where heir shares climbed.Everything is corrupt and artificially propped up.Look at how the government didn't include Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac in that off the wall reform bill signed the other day.Many people that took that 6k tax credit for buying a house haven't been able to make their first payment.Yup,they got 6 k but the house is already worth 15k less than it was when they got that loan.The rich will stay rich somehow,the nanny state people will still be taken care but all the rest are doomed.The class of people that lurk the SBR forum are exactly on average the people most likely not to be rich or part of the Keynesian-entitlement-nanny state.
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                                    • str
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 01-12-09
                                      • 11820

                                      #19
                                      The piece of crap BANKS are as much at fault if not more than anyone.
                                      HAVE YOU TRIED TO GET A LOAN FOR A NEW HOME LATELY.
                                      They want a Minimum 80-20% LTV(Loan to value).Will not allow you to count the equity in your existing home as cash to be put down, Then they UNDER APPRAISE the house with skewed, bull crap nonsense for comps, so as to get the LTV lower in they're favor, then jack interest because your credit score is 698 instead of 700 but the score goes down each time a financial institution checks it for a possible loan so if you shop the bank you screw yourself.
                                      They have a million ways to cheat you and do it EVERYDAY.
                                      They do not want anything but sweetheart deals so they can balance they're weak loans they currently have.
                                      I deal with this crap every day in the building business and Banks are a disgrace!
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                                      • DwightShrute
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 01-17-09
                                        • 103592

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Surebet
                                        Do you really think these Banks want the houses back so fast?
                                        They had rather make money off of that Adjustable APR they offered you that has went from 3% to 25%...
                                        That was the bad part---Banks were free to lend to EVERYONE, even those that can't afford to maintain their home. It was part of Clintons original plan for EVERYONE TO OWN THEIR OWN HOME??REMEMBER?
                                        they conveniently forget. it's called selective memory.

                                        Even Clinton himself admitted it



                                        Still the comic and horoscope readers blame Bush

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                                        • DwightShrute
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 01-17-09
                                          • 103592

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                                          I think the president is doing an excellent job.
                                          enlighten us with what he has so great since taking office. Excellent job must mean several examples of excellence. Please share but stop at 10 or 20 examples please.



                                          Originally Posted by Emily_Haines
                                          Obama got the oil leak stopped and do you think their is even one person thanking him????
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                                          • pavyracer
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 04-12-07
                                            • 82857

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Surebet
                                            Wars have historically been good for the economy. The 2 World Wars have had to opportunity to put the USA as the #1 economic and #1 political powerhouse in the world.
                                            What we got in return back from World War II was economic development in Europe. Europeans took billions of our loans after WWII to rebuild and that helped our economy. The 2 wars Bush started gave us nothing in return. We will never see a single penny back of all the money we wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan. Europeans were happy to see us after we liberated them from the Nazis. The savages in Iraq and Afghanistan will shoot us in the back when we leave.
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                                            • Emily_Haines
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 04-14-09
                                              • 15917

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                              enlighten us with what he has so great since taking office. Excellent job must mean several examples of excellence. Please share but stop at 10 or 20 examples please.



                                              just off the top of my head

                                              1) insured health care for all
                                              2) put under federal protection more than two million acres of wilderness
                                              3) pass measures designed to combat trafficking of nuclear weapons
                                              4) promoted the use of alternative fuels
                                              5) reduced the troop level in Iraq
                                              6) passed new rules on credit card companies and banks so they don't fuk us
                                              7) was one of first countries to come with aid for Haiti
                                              8) closed off shore tax havens
                                              9) ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations
                                              10) ended the previous policy of tax cuts for the wealthy
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                                              • Emily_Haines
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 04-14-09
                                                • 15917

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                What we got in return back from World War II was economic development in Europe. Europeans took billions of our loans after WWII to rebuild and that helped our economy. The 2 wars Bush started gave us nothing in return. We will never see a single penny back of all the money we wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan. Europeans were happy to see us after we liberated them from the Nazis. The savages in Iraq and Afghanistan will shoot us in the back when we leave.
                                                Hard to win the hearts and minds of people when

                                                The poll of Afghans in the two areas found:
                                                -- 75 percent believe foreigners disrespect their religion and traditions
                                                -- 74 percent believe working with foreign forces is wrong
                                                -- 68 percent believe NATO forces do not protect them
                                                -- 65 percent believe the Taliban and its leader Mullah Mohammad Omar, should join the Afghan government
                                                -- 70 percent said recent military actions in their area were bad for the Afghan people
                                                -- 59 percent opposed a new military offensive being built up by NATO forces in Kandahar
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                                                • DwightShrute
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 01-17-09
                                                  • 103592

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                                                  just off the top of my head

                                                  1) insured health care for all -not really. also lied about the open debates and rammed it through behind secret closed door meetings
                                                  2) put under federal protection more than two million acres of wilderness
                                                  3) pass measures designed to combat trafficking of nuclear weapons - LOL
                                                  4) promoted the use of alternative fuels - he and he only right?
                                                  5) reduced the troop level in Iraq - LOL you are giving him credit for that? Get real. Oh btw, you of course didn't mention the 20,000 + additional troops he sent to Afghanistan. You must have forgotten.
                                                  6) passed new rules on credit card companies and banks so they don't fuk us - False
                                                  7) was one of first countries to come with aid for Haiti - is that an Obama thing? I guess no other president has ever come to the aid for any other country.
                                                  8) closed off shore tax havens - False
                                                  9) ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations - False
                                                  10) ended the previous policy of tax cuts for the wealthy
                                                  go back to watching cartoons
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                                                  • Emily_Haines
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 04-14-09
                                                    • 15917

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                                    go back to watching cartoons
                                                    Dwight can't accept all of Obama's achievements and resorts to his typical forum bashing.
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                                                    • maersksealand
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 09-17-09
                                                      • 1673

                                                      #27
                                                      watch and learn...

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                                                      • Doug
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 08-10-05
                                                        • 6324

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Fishhead
                                                        HORRIBLE

                                                        Nobody wants a mortgage and nobody wants to give one.....................JOKE
                                                        I think there are too many existing homes/ condos/ apartments in the USA today. It's pretty common for Mexicans and other immigrants to live with a lot of people in a housing unit.... like ten in a 3 bedroom 1.5 bathroom house.

                                                        Well the Gringos can do that do.... maybe not quite that crowded but a little more packed than now.

                                                        A single person with a 2 bedroom apt. can get a roommate for example. I could rent out my spare bedroom with bath.

                                                        Lots of people here have way more space than needed. A buddy of mine is about 55 and single. He lives alone in an old house ( like 1910) that he inherited. Easily 3 bedrooms ( only 1 bath), tons of room. He doesn't need the rent money but could rent out two rooms. There are a lot of basements than can used for living space in a pinch.

                                                        The foreign casino workers even use the "hot cot" method. One shift sleeps goes to work, then the previous shift takes over the still warm bed.

                                                        US probably has a huge per capita rate of housing square footage per capita compared to most other countries.

                                                        Construction is tough now....finding a job.
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                                                        • statnerds
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 09-23-09
                                                          • 4047

                                                          #29
                                                          2) put under federal protection more than two million acres of wilderness - you are in serious need of an education as to what holds value. the 3 dollars you have in your pocket are worthless, backed by nothing except that a promise that Americans will continue to work and produce. Gold and silver and other commodities are better, but try getting a loan on that. No, the number one bastion of value and wealth is real estate. So, even if we price it at a ridiculous value of $500/acre, you are applauding the fact that $1,000,000,000 of value and assets were just removed from the economy. hoo-ray!! i wonder how much oil is under that land as opposed to that a mile under the ocean.


                                                          10) ended the previous policy of tax cuts for the wealthy - fukk i don;t even know where to start with this one. before i ask one question of you, allow me to say that well over 84% of the American workforce is employed by a small business owner. how many poor people have ever given you a job?
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                                                          • DwightShrute
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 01-17-09
                                                            • 103592

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                                                            Dwight can't accept all of Obama's achievements and resorts to his typical forum bashing.
                                                            he reversed the stem cell research ban
                                                            He ordered the execution of those 3 Somali pirates
                                                            all that dribble you wrote is just goofy and no sane person will be fooled.
                                                            Perhaps you truly believe it?

                                                            INSANITY (dementia, lunacy, madness, craziness, mania, aberration) - the condition of being insane; a derangement of the mind, unsoundness of mind, extreme folly; senselessness; foolhardiness, Emily_Haines
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                                                            • statnerds
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 09-23-09
                                                              • 4047

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by 20Four7
                                                              I t will take 10 years to recover from GWB. He made it worse but then again he didn't know shit. Obama will be a one term wonder unless the economy take a great upward spike. Right now most people hate the prez just cuz he's in charge during this shit.
                                                              holy fuk how many ways can i say it?!?!? the President can't spend money, only Congress has the power to approve Spending!!!!!!!!!!!!! He has to ASK Congress for every dollar he wants to spend.

                                                              Congress under dem control since 2006!!!!!!!!

                                                              Fuk, can you people develop one independent thought in your heads ever?
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                                                              • DwightShrute
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 01-17-09
                                                                • 103592

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by statnerds
                                                                holy fuk how many ways can i say it?!?!? the President can't spend money, only Congress has the power to approve Spending!!!!!!!!!!!!! He has to ASK Congress for every dollar he wants to spend.

                                                                Congress under dem control since 2006!!!!!!!!

                                                                Fuk, can you people develop one independent thought in your heads ever?

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                                                                • Surebet
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 05-29-08
                                                                  • 691

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Emily_Haines

                                                                  just off the top of my head

                                                                  1) insured health care for all
                                                                  2) put under federal protection more than two million acres of wilderness
                                                                  3) pass measures designed to combat trafficking of nuclear weapons
                                                                  4) promoted the use of alternative fuels
                                                                  5) reduced the troop level in Iraq
                                                                  6) passed new rules on credit card companies and banks so they don't fuk us
                                                                  7) was one of first countries to come with aid for Haiti
                                                                  8) closed off shore tax havens
                                                                  9) ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations
                                                                  10) ended the previous policy of tax cuts for the wealthy
                                                                  4) Through what method? Cap and Trade----?????

                                                                  Smuck.
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                                                                  • Surebet
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 05-29-08
                                                                    • 691

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Emily_Haines

                                                                    I think the president is doing an excellent job. It's just those pieces of shit on the right with their radio shows and FOX news trying to corrupt the minds of the masses. Obama got the oil leak stopped and do you think their is even one person thanking him????

                                                                    Obama


                                                                    LIAR!!!!!!!
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                                                                    • Surebet
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 05-29-08
                                                                      • 691

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Typical Obama supporter:

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