Let's look at the NBA central division

[milwaukee mike]

here's how they stacked up last year

cleveland 61-21
milwaukee 46-36
chicago 41-41
indiana 32-50
detroit 27-55

it's pretty obvious that cleveland got dramatically worse, milwaukee and chicago got better, and indiana and detroit stayed crappy.

so pretty much a walkover for milwaukee/chicago in the central next year. cleveland will be lucky to get to 30 wins and quite possibly so will indiana and detroit.

for value's sake i think milwaukee at 45-1 or so to win the nba is a better bet than chicago at 11-1 but both are almost guaranteed playoff spots with their depth (assuming derrick rose/andrew bogut aren't out for most of the season)

[ProfaneReality]

Can I have Cleveland over 30 wins ?

[milwaukee mike]

not sure, does anyone have an over/under on wins yet?

my guess is it will be somewhere around 30, where do you think it will be?

[Chi_archie]

alot of teams only have a handful of players under contract right now..... time will tell

[lakerboy]

Indy will be much better. Bulls should take the div with mil 2nd. Do NOT count out indy for a playoff spot. Team had shit load of injuries last year and have one of the leagues best pure scorers in Granger.

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

I say 34.5 for the clev win total

[jjgold]

Chicago and then Bucks

rest are no where to be found

[saintjames]

it would not surprise me if the bulls win the central

[milwaukee mike]

i don't think it would surprise anyone if the bulls win the central, they should be the favorite adding boozer to an already good team

it would shock me if someone other than chicago/milwaukee won it