Allen,Garnett,and Pierce..any of them make the HOF?

[yisman]

I mentioned Rondo, did I not?

I'm talking about people who are potential HOFs as well as people who are already in.

Kobe is in for sure as one of the greatest of all time, Ray Allen, KG, and Pierce would get in now as well.

But each team has a player who looks to be on track.

[VTranX]

All Three get in.

KG - One of the best PF in his prime.
PP - Very Productive through out his career and the celtics center piece.
RA - Arguably the best 3pt specialist to ever play the game. His jump shot is just pure perfection.

[Snowball]

Garnett will be better next season. Doctor who performed his surgery for knee hyperextension said it takes 1 year to start to be at full form. Good thing the Celtics have him under contract thru 2012.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

[THEGREAT30]

This is a stupid post, if you don't know that without a doubt Pierce and Garnett are both 1st ballot HOF'ers you don't know anything about NBA basketball, good day

[gesiii]

if they win it

all 3 should get in

[Powderguy]

all 3 should get in

They already have won it, that makes no sense.

[investor]

I hope you are not making a case for Gasol? Maybe if he puts up some #####'s for 8-9 more years. But as of now no way. Where as if the Big 3 retired today they would all be in.

Speaking like true Boston fan. I'd expect nothing less. But you are wrong about Gasol. Look at his numbers from when he was back in Memphis, and there is def. no way kobe wins a title w/o Gasol. He's actually pretty underatted to me. But i guess that's his style of play. You'll see at the end of the game that he put up 20+ points and then ask yourself: Did he really? That's just his style of play. Only downside to Paul is that he can get pretty soft at times which leads to him getting banged on. I think that's just his European style of mentality though.

[BestPlay2day]

All 3 are locks for the Hall of Fame, no question about it.

[yisman]

Speaking like true Boston fan. I'd expect nothing less. But you are wrong about Gasol. Look at his numbers from when he was back in Memphis, and there is def. no way kobe wins a title w/o Gasol. He's actually pretty underatted to me. But i guess that's his style of play. You'll see at the end of the game that he put up 20+ points and then ask yourself: Did he really? That's just his style of play. Only downside to Paul is that he can get pretty soft at times which leads to him getting banged on. I think that's just his European style of mentality though.

He needs some more on his résumé, but another title and a few more years of playing the way he's been playing? He'll get in.

He's one of the elite big men in the NBA right now.

[Bostongambler]

Speaking like true Boston fan. I'd expect nothing less. But you are wrong about Gasol. Look at his numbers from when he was back in Memphis, and there is def. no way kobe wins a title w/o Gasol. He's actually pretty underatted to me. But i guess that's his style of play. You'll see at the end of the game that he put up 20+ points and then ask yourself: Did he really? That's just his style of play. Only downside to Paul is that he can get pretty soft at times which leads to him getting banged on. I think that's just his European style of mentality though.

What did I write that was spoken like a true Boston fan? You going to tell me those 3 (Two of which deserve it when they didn't even place close to their majority of time with the celts) won't make the Hall.

And as far as Gasol goes, sure he is argueably the best skilled big man in the game today and he should makes some all-star teams, but it is a far cry to the Hall of Fame at this point.

[yisman]

What did I write that was spoken like a true Boston fan? You going to tell me those 3 (Two of which deserve it when they didn't even place close to their majority of time with the celts) won't make the Hall.

No, he was disagreeing regarding Gasol, not Allen/KG/Pierce.

And as far as Gasol goes, sure he is argueably the best skilled big man in the game today and he should makes some all-star teams, but it is a far cry to the Hall of Fame at this point.

Arguably the best skilled big man in the game and it's a far cry? Not at all.

This is assuming he keeps playing for a few years at a high level.

"and he should makes some all-star teams"

He's already made three. He was also Rookie of the Year and was the second best/most valueable player on a team that went to three straight NBA Finals and won one (and has a chance at another now).

[Bostongambler]

OK, He is a Very good basketball player Yes I agree. He is Highly skilled, yes I agree. But Hall of Fame is a different level.

[Bostongambler]

Garnett will be better next season. Doctor who performed his surgery for knee hyperextension said it takes 1 year to start to be at full form. Good thing the Celtics have him under contract thru 2012.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

Even though he will be another year older, that is what is being said in these parts. That he won't be 100% untill late 2010.

[yisman]

counting on KG to be his old self is fool's gold, I think.

Even if he fully recovers from the surgery, he'll be 34 and a half and nothing like the elite player he once was.

[will2survive]

THIS IS NOT A STUPID THREAD.i CREATE IT TO GET VARIOUS OPINIONS ON DIFFERENT SUBJECT MATTER.IF YOU NOTICE,I PUT LOT OF THESE THREADS UP BECAUSE THEY'RE INTERSTING TO THE PEOPLE ON THE SITE.lOOK AT THE RESPONSE TO MY THREADS....THIS IS MY CONTRIBUTION TO SBR BY GIVING PEOPLE AND ASKING PEOPLE THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON DIFFERENT MATCHUPS OF PLAYERS,WHO MAKE'S THE HALL OF FAME,WHO IS BETTER.

I RESPECT THE FEEDBACK AND EVERYONE'S OPINIONS BUT IT'S NOT "A STUPID THREAD".IT'S A THREAD THAT ENTERTAIN'S AND ENHANCES THE APPEAL OF SBR IN MY HONEST OPINION---JOE

[WileOut]

To me,Pierce is the best player but will get the least amount of credit.Ray Allen has a better chance.Garnett is overrated

You must be young. Garnett, over his career, has been the best player of the 3. Garnett was league MVP like 7 years ago, and was one of the best athletes in the league, probably the best athlete in the NBA and at 6-10 he was literally unstoppable on both ends. He is not even a tenth of the athlete he once was, but his basketball IQ has always been sky high.

Garnett is a lock hall of famer, he is one of the best players in NBA history. He just played on a really bad Timberwolves team most of his career. The other 2 actually are lock hall of famers, they are all just on the very back end of their careers. Totally different players than they were 5 years ago.

You have to realize that these 3 players have lost almost all of their athletic ability and rely on smarts and outside shooting now. Allen and Pierce were very good athletes that could drive with the best in their primes, Garnett was an absolute freakish athlete, maybe the best in the league.

[yisman]

THIS IS NOT A STUPID THREAD.i CREATE IT TO GET VARIOUS OPINIONS ON DIFFERENT SUBJECT MATTER.IF YOU NOTICE,I PUT LOT OF THESE THREADS UP BECAUSE THEY'RE INTERSTING TO THE PEOPLE ON THE SITE.lOOK AT THE RESPONSE TO MY THREADS....THIS IS MY CONTRIBUTION TO SBR BY GIVING PEOPLE AND ASKING PEOPLE THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON DIFFERENT MATCHUPS OF PLAYERS,WHO MAKE'S THE HALL OF FAME,WHO IS BETTER.

I RESPECT THE FEEDBACK AND EVERYONE'S OPINIONS BUT IT'S NOT "A STUPID THREAD".IT'S A THREAD THAT ENTERTAIN'S AND ENHANCES THE APPEAL OF SBR IN MY HONEST OPINION---JOE

it's more of a stupid opinion than a stupid thread.

I don't know who could possibly think not one of the trio will make the HOF.

I'd say Pierce has the weakest case, but he's still almost certainly going to get in.

KG is the best of the three, but he played on a lot of bad teams before he was finally traded.

Allen would be second.

[will2survive]

WileOut: I was born in 1971 buddy.I just like to see different people's opinions on any subject.Of course,I know KG, Pierce and Ray Allen are great players.I say Pierce and Allen play in college.DO you remember his UCONN point guard? Doran Scheffer---I know my stuff believe me.Just trying to make things fun around here and I knows these guys are HOF's---just wanted to see if anyone thought otherwise

[stealthyburrito]

THIS IS NOT A STUPID THREAD.i CREATE IT TO GET VARIOUS OPINIONS ON DIFFERENT SUBJECT MATTER.IF YOU NOTICE,I PUT LOT OF THESE THREADS UP BECAUSE THEY'RE INTERSTING TO THE PEOPLE ON THE SITE.lOOK AT THE RESPONSE TO MY THREADS....THIS IS MY CONTRIBUTION TO SBR BY GIVING PEOPLE AND ASKING PEOPLE THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON DIFFERENT MATCHUPS OF PLAYERS,WHO MAKE'S THE HALL OF FAME,WHO IS BETTER.

I RESPECT THE FEEDBACK AND EVERYONE'S OPINIONS BUT IT'S NOT "A STUPID THREAD".IT'S A THREAD THAT ENTERTAIN'S AND ENHANCES THE APPEAL OF SBR IN MY HONEST OPINION---JOE

christ don't turn into BTJ now

[ttwarrior1]

this must be a joke thread, did you ever watch garnett in minnesota, u must be a teen. All 3 will go and garnett first

[bluegg]

this must be a joke thread, did you ever watch garnett in minnesota, u must be a teen. All 3 will go and garnett first

agreed

[BurtRapp]

all 3 will make it with ease.

[lolbear]

I like how there's someone here fighting for Gasol's case for HoF when KG is doubted. If anything I think Ray Allen will be least credited. Everyone with a brain knows KG is one of the finest PF to ever play the game. 20-10-5 for 6 straight years with the defensive ability?? No brainer... especially now he has a title to his resume.

I find it weird because I feel Ray Allen gets the least credit of the three because KG and Allen were "outsiders" who came into Pierce's team. I think he gets a lot of credit for his beautiful shot but not enough credit for his ability to open the lane up for teammates and forcing his defenders to chase him around and tiring in the process. But of course even if Ray Allen's work isn't recognized, his professionalism is amongst the top in the league and that will definitely win some haters' votes over.

In regards to Pau Gasol.. noone who watches basketball will doubt that he is one of the best big men in the league at this point.. but honestly I don't think he has done anything extraordinary.. I think getting a championship with one of the greatest players of all time and a coach who already had won 9, and beating an Orlando team that many believe weren't championship caliber (last year), kind of lesser his impact on the finals championship, rightfully. Don't forget that the Lakers could've won against the Celtics if it wasn't for his soft plays two years ago. This playoff run is really the first time in which he rises to the superstar level, and if he wants to make the HoF, he better show up against the Celtics this year.

Seriously he's already 30, and he only made three all star teams (I didn't know this til I read this thread). Let's not put him up for the HoF talk yet.

[yisman]

KG is a surefire hall of famer and Pau Gasol is a potential Hall of Famer. He's 29 and he's been a key piece of a team that went to three straight Finals. That, along with a very good career to this point, puts him up for discussion, IMO.

He'll have an even better case if LA wins the title this year.

Two titles before he turned 30? And a key part of each one?

and beating an Orlando team that many believe weren't championship caliber (last year), kind of lesser his impact on the finals championship

That's bogus. Orlando had a very good team last year. Heck, they beat Cleveland AND Boston.

They just could not match up with the superior Lakers, and part of the superiority was Pau Gasol.

[seaborneq]

The question should be would the three have made the Hall of Fame without uniting on the Celtics. I say no way. Pierce no way, Ray Allen no way, KG no way. That is the way it is. All three are locks because of one offseason of willing and dealing between McHale and Ainge. Otherwise we are talking about these guys being busts, because none of them led a team to the Finals by them selves.

[ALWAYSONMYGRIND]

All three! This is a no brainer.

[jsmithj88]

The question should be would the three have made the Hall of Fame without uniting on the Celtics. I say no way. Pierce no way, Ray Allen no way, KG no way. That is the way it is. All three are locks because of one offseason of willing and dealing between McHale and Ainge. Otherwise we are talking about these guys being busts, because none of them led a team to the Finals by them selves.

exactly, KG mite have been the closest to the HOF if he didnt win a title

[BernardMadoff]

Hmm......

[yisman]

Madoff I don't think you know what you're talking about if you think Kevin Garnett won't get in the Hall of Fame.

One of the great forwards we've seen.

[Fishhead]

exactly, KG mite have been the closest to the HOF if he didnt win a title

For crying out loud, anyone that believes KG had to win a title to solidfy his selection to the HOF is to put it politely, clueless.

KG is a 13 TIME ALL-STAR!!!!!!


Nobody, repeat, nobody that is eligible for the HOF that has been selected to at least NINE ALL-STAR teams has failed to make the HOF...................KG is a 13 TIME ALL-STAR.

By the way, ALLEN is a NINE time ALL-STAR and the 22nd leading scorer in NBA history.

[remmy358]

all 4, rondo will too

[BernardMadoff]

Madoff I don't think you know what you're talking about if you think Kevin Garnett won't get in the Hall of Fame.

One of the great forwards we've seen.

Did you see me say Garnett wont get in?

[Snowball]

i think we may still see flashes of the old KG starting next year.. as long as the knee ceases to bother him and then he can "let go" mentally.. it's partially mental.. his style of play has changed.. but with full recovery he may regain confidence, and take less jump shots. Age is not a factor to this happenning because the Celtics already know how to manage his time to his needs.. it's all about his needs and not about "winning" unless it's the playoffs.

Also people need to remember that Paul Pierce singlehandedly WAS the Celtics during many years when they flat-out sucked. so he still spent the majority of his career on a poor team also.

[yisman]

Did you see me say Garnett wont get in?

Yeah, you said none of them would get in and that anyone who said they would didn't know what they're talking about.

Then you edited it out when you realized how stupid you sounded.

Did you not know Garnett is on the Celtics?

[Fishhead]

Yeah, you said none of them would get in and that anyone who said they would didn't know what they're talking about.

Then you edited it out when you realized how stupid you sounded.

Did you not know Garnett is on the Celtics?