SBRJOHN...you're comments on BetPhoenix continuing to hold down a B+ rating

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 09:24 AM

Never in the history of SBR have I witnessed a sportsbook with so many concerning issues continue to hold down such a decent rating from SBR.

Deuce · 05-25-10, 09:29 AM

Just signed up there, so I should not put any money in? Nothing in there as of now just signed up last week.

Chi_archie · 05-25-10, 09:32 AM

peruse the sportsbook and industry section deuce....

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Deuce

Just signed up there, so I should not put any money in? Nothing in there as of now just signed up last week.

Read the S&I forum and come to you're own conclusions.

Personally, I've refrained from re-depositing there for quite sometime.

They offer nice incentive bonuses Duece, it is up to you if you feel the rewards are worth the risk at this time my friend.

FH

mathdotcom · 05-25-10, 09:35 AM

Brief handicapping meeting held yesterday determined Phoenix is currently NOT worth the risk.

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 09:35 AM

Duece, they are certainly not worthy of a B+ SBR rating at this time, make no bones about that whatsoever.

Deuce · 05-25-10, 09:41 AM

Thanks for the heads up, Fishead.

SBR_John · 05-25-10, 09:48 AM

You mean the book that was going to buy Matchbook is not worthy of a B+?

When BP hit the scene SBR was shouted at for not making them an A. Several "industry experts" had them in their top 3. I think the B+ is a fair rating. We know the owner well as does everyone in CR. His money is good and he has a long track record. They are not an A but not a C either. Its a fair rating imo.

Chi_archie · 05-25-10, 09:49 AM

is Lou getting to the bottom of the payment issues?

SBR Lou · 05-25-10, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

is Lou getting to the bottom of the payment issues?

Sports-1 & BetPhoenix Moneybookers withdrawals

Richard sent a note this morning confirming that the above is still on schedule. The first of the Moneybookers will go out tomorrow and all will be caught up by the end of the week.

As mentioned previously, we've also asked BetPhoenix to make sure that its listed time-frames on its deposits/withdrawal section stays up to date, and to give players the option of payouts via other methods at the same cost if one is backed up.

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You mean the book that was going to buy Matchbook is not worthy of a B+?

When BP hit the scene SBR was shouted at for not making them an A. Several "industry experts" had them in their top 3. I think the B+ is a fair rating. We know the owner well as does everyone in CR. His money is good and he has a long track record. They are not an A but not a C either. Its a fair rating imo.

I would strongly disagree, as would countless others that are currently with the book and trying to get paid in some normal timely fashion.

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 09:55 AM

By the way, a heads-up on BP rollover rules.........

PUSHES do not count towards rollover.

SBR_John · 05-25-10, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

I would strongly disagree, as would countless others that are currently with the book and trying to get paid in some normal timely fashion.

Then what do you think it should be? And what do you think Matchbook's should be?

tltaylor89 · 05-25-10, 10:01 AM

BetPhoenix B-
Matchbook A

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You mean the book that was going to buy Matchbook is not worthy of a B+?

Instead of spending time buying other books and giving money to charity, how about they take care of their employees and customers and pay them in a timely matter that is responsible in nature?????

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by tltaylor89

BetPhoenix B-
Matchbook A

BetPHOENIX C

minet123 · 05-25-10, 10:06 AM

I don't know, I personally don't have a horse in this race other than a $25 freeplay at wagerchief
I trust Dino if the bottom fell out you would get paid

I don't understand why these books are not honest and explain that in this era American cash outs have to go to Net 30 days or Net 15 days like all Corporations pay their accounts payable beause of the hoops they have to got through with out a truly viable e-wallet for Americans

Are they a pinnacle or CRIS or Olympic
NO
But they are not a BetUS or sportsbook either
But from the outside looking in they appear to have to many people in the Marketing section are and not enough in other areas

robertg · 05-25-10, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Never in the history of SBR have I witnessed a sportsbook with so many concerning issues continue to hold down such a decent rating from SBR.

you must have forgotten wsex.

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 10:14 AM

.........and make no mistake about it, if they did not have a banner here at SBR, their rating at SBR would be C+ at the very best.........and probably lower.

John, why do you ignore the numerous slow-pays by this book and the run around they give so many clients????

With a B+ rating, you are endorsing their procedures.............not a good reflection on SBR or yourself sir.

Having questioned you greatly here, I do applaud you and SBR for the SBRRATINGS, as for the most part they are excellent and provide a great recourse for online bettors..............and I also know it opens up much scrutiny from the likes of individuals like myself, which is difficult sometimes for you and your associates to deal with, and is bound to occur with hundreds of sportsbooks in the land.

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 10:18 AM

Wizard, will you guarantee my funds at BP?

If you will, I will buy you a $5.95 steak dinner at Ellis Island during the bash.

SBR_John · 05-25-10, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Wizard, will you guarantee my funds at BP?

If you will, I will buy you a $5.95 steak dinner at Ellis Island during the bash.

You going?? Cool, I'll show you my cant lose Video Poker low-down.

Guarantee funds at BP? Are you fvcking insane? LOL. No, I would never guarantee money from an offshore bookie much less a B book. There was a guy who did that sort of thing. Didnt turn out all that well.

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You going?? Cool, I'll show you my cant lose Video Poker low-down.

Guarantee funds at BP? Are you fvcking insane? LOL. No, I would never guarantee money from an offshore bookie much less a B book. There was a guy who did that sort of thing. Didnt turn out all that well.

I will make this easy for you........

$1,000 cap guarantee and I will make payout request before JUNE 30th........if cash is not in hand within 20 days of making payout request, you pay me $1,000

I will pay the very expensive premium of a $5.95 steak dinner tab plus tip for this insurance.

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

I will make this easy for you........

$1,000 cap guarantee and I will make payout request before JUNE 30th........if cash is not in hand within 20 days of making payout request, you pay me $1,000

I will pay the very expensive premium of a $5.95 steak dinner tab plus tip for this insurance.

.....if I don't attend bash, you will recieve 100 SBR points for the insurance premium, which is even a better deal for you.

SBR_John · 05-25-10, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

I will make this easy for you........

$1,000 cap guarantee and I will make payout request before JUNE 30th........if cash is not in hand within 20 days of making payout request, you pay me $1,000

I will pay the very expensive premium of a $5.95 steak dinner tab plus tip for this insurance.

Am I writing in invisible ink? Sometimes repetition helps comprehension so lets try again;
"Guarantee funds at BP? Are you fvcking insane? LOL. No"

I'm not the smartest fvck in the chicken house but something about guaranteeing money of an offshore bookie doesn't sound too smart

...although that $5 steak is tempting.

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Am I writing in invisible ink? Sometimes repetition helps comprehension so lets try again;
"Guarantee funds at BP? Are you fvcking insane? LOL. No"

I'm not the smartest fvck in the chicken house but something about guaranteeing money of an offshore bookie doesn't sound too smart

...although that $5 steak is tempting.

SMART MOVE

I think one or both of us saved money.

For a minute, I was sweating that you might accept the offer.

,
FH

ps- Deal is officially closed

durito · 05-25-10, 10:42 AM

fishhead why don't you buy matchbook? since they are so great. they only want pennies for it.

Sam Odom · 05-25-10, 10:44 AM

C+

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by durito

fishhead why don't you buy matchbook? since they are so great. they only want pennies for it.

Simple, and you should know this, I don't have but one penny to my name.

BigdaddyQH · 05-25-10, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You going?? Cool, I'll show you my cant lose Video Poker low-down.

Guarantee funds at BP? Are you fvcking insane? LOL. No, I would never guarantee money from an offshore bookie much less a B book. There was a guy who did that sort of thing. Didnt turn out all that well.

Obviously you know the real score at offshore books, so why do you still insist on a B+ rating for Bet Phoenix? Are you really telling us that if a book does what it is suppose to do in regards to payouts, (pay correct amounts ina timely fashion) they receive an "A" rating, and if they are slow pays, they receive a rating depending on how slow they are?

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 10:55 AM

Walker is so absorbed with SBR POINTS that he can't think clearly.

BEANTOWNJIM · 05-25-10, 10:57 AM

BOYS BACK IN THE DAY SBR JOHN GAVE CASCADE SPORTSBOOK AN (A) RATING THEN HE ALLOWED THEM TO STEAL MY 660 DOLLARS BY BREAKING ONE OF THERE OWN WRITTEN RULES

(ALL WAGERS WILL BE ACCEPTED UP UNTIL THE POSTED STARTING TIME OF THE EVENT) THEN THEY ACCEPTED A BET FROM ME 15 MINUTES AFTER THE GAME STARTED AND JOHN THOUGHT THAT WAS ALLRIGHT.

DAVE FROM BET PHOENIX WAS WORKING FOR LENNY AND CASCADE AT THE TIME HE KNEW I WAS ROBBED BUT NEVER SAID A GOD DAM THING NOW HE IS SLOW PAYING AT BET PHOENIX AND ONCE AGAIN SBR JOHN IS PROTECTING A STIFF BOOK FOR ADVERTISING MONEY.

BOYS AS LONG AS YOU PAY THE ADVERTISING BILL YOU CAN HAVE WHATEVER GRADE YOU WANT JUST MAKE SURE THERES A LITTLE EXTRA IN THE EVELOPE FOR SBR JOHN

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by BEANTOWNJIM

BOYS BACK IN THE DAY SBR JOHN GAVE CASCADE SPORTSBOOK AN (A) RATING THEN HE ALLOWED THEM TO STEAL MY 660 DOLLARS BY BREAKING ONE OF THERE OWN WRITTEN RULES

(ALL WAGERS WILL BE ACCEPTED UP UNTIL THE POSTED STARTING TIME OF THE EVENT) THEN THEY ACCEPTED A BET FROM ME 15 MINUTES AFTER THE GAME STARTED AND JOHN THOUGHT THAT WAS ALLRIGHT.

DAVE FROM BET PHOENIX WAS WORKING FOR LENNY AND CASCADE AT THE TIME HE KNEW I WAS ROBBED BUT NEVER SAID A GOD DAM THING NOW HE IS SLOW PAYING AT BET PHOENIX AND ONCE AGAIN SBR JOHN IS PROTECTING A STIFF BOOK FOR ADVERTISING MONEY.

BOYS AS LONG AS YOU PAY THE ADVERTISING BILL YOU CAN HAVE WHATEVER GRADE YOU WANT JUST MAKE SURE THERES A LITTLE EXTRA IN THE EVELOPE FOR SBR JOHN

I'm sure green fees are expensive in Lake Placid..............

SBR_John · 05-25-10, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

Obviously you know the real score at offshore books, so why do you still insist on a B+ rating for Bet Phoenix? Are you really telling us that if a book does what it is suppose to do in regards to payouts, (pay correct amounts ina timely fashion) they receive an "A" rating, and if they are slow pays, they receive a rating depending on how slow they are?

No, I'm just saying that is our current opinion of them. All books offshore will have some trouble. You search any of the 832 books we rate and you will find some problems. Its inherent. The SBR rating is based on a lot of factors. We know a lot about this owner and our opinion is the book is a B+. That could change at anytime. WSEX went from an A+ to a C and we knew those guys for a very long time too. Enron went from being rate A at SnP to default status overnight. Its not a perfect science but we do the best we can and try to look past temporary inherent issues and boisterous posters and set the rating we believe in.

Fishhead · 05-25-10, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

No, I'm just saying that is our current opinion of them. All books offshore will have some trouble. You search any of the 832 books we rate and you will find some problems. Its inherent. The SBR rating is based on a lot of factors. We know a lot about this owner and our opinion is the book is a B+. That could change at anytime. WSEX went from an A+ to a C and we knew those guys for a very long time too. Enron went from being rate A at SnP to default status overnight. Its not a perfect science but we do the best we can and try to look past temporary inherent issues and boisterous posters and set the rating we believe in.

Yes, we know.