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  • Justin7
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 07-31-06
    • 8577

    #1
    Lying to women is natural


    Cads of the savanna
    Male topi antelopes lie to get the ladies
    By Rachel Ehrenberg
    Web edition : Friday, May 21st, 2010
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    But baby, there's a lion over thereWhen a female topi antelope (right) starts to wander from a male’s territory, he snorts and stares as if a predator is nearby, even when there’s no danger.Bro-Jørgensen et al./American Naturalist 2010

    As any dating woman knows, men can be dogs — but a new study suggests antelopes might be a better fit.
    Male topi antelopes will resort to deception to keep a potential mate around, snorting as if there’s a lion nearby just when it seems she might wander off. The discovery is the first report of outright mate deception in an animal other than Homo sapiens, a research team reports in the July American Naturalist.
    Some mother birds will feign a broken wing to lure a predator away from their nest, and there are reports in animals such as monkeys and squirrels of males deceiving other males in the heat of competition. But the male antelope behavior “is the clearest example of tactical deception between mates in animals other than humans,” comments Cornell University’s H. Kern Reeve, an expert in the evolution of cooperation and conflict in animal societies. “This is quite interesting.”
    Study leader Jakob Bro-Jørgensen discovered the devious behavior while studying topi antelopes on the savannas of the Masai Mara National Reserve in Kenya, where during the spring mating season males stake out territories rich in grass. The female antelopes are sexually receptive for one day only, and they spend that day visiting several males, munching grass and mating.
    Bro-Jørgensen noticed that when a female would start to wander away from a male’s territory, the male would look in the direction she was headed, prick his ears and snort loudly — the same snort the animals use when they’ve noticed a lion, leopard or other approaching predator.
    “It was quite funny — it made me laugh,” says Bro-Jørgensen, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Liverpool in England. “It’s such an obvious lie — clearly there’s no lion.”
    Suitors in nature commonly exaggerate their virtues. But this work documents a rare situation in which evolution favors outright lying in the mating game, says Reeve. The cost of the lie is minimal to the male antelope — he merely snorts. But the cost to the female of ignoring the lie could be great — if there truly is a predator nearby, she’s dead.
    To test whether the males were lying outright, Bro-Jørgensen and his colleague Wiline Pangle of Ohio State University in Columbus first observed males when they were making honest snorts. Male antelopes snorted when a human was approaching, the researchers found, even if an antelope was alone. This suggests that rather than being a warning to fellow antelopes, a true snort is actually directed at the predator itself.
    This makes sense, says Bro-Jørgensen. If they have enough of a head start, topi antelopes can outrun lions and even cheetahs. By snorting at a cat who thinks it’s hidden in the grass, an antelope says, “I see you predator — give it up.”
    The researchers also recorded true and false snorts and played them back to female antelopes, to see if the ladies could tell the difference. Judging by their reactions, the females couldn’t tell true from false snorts. Neither could an audio analysis by the researchers, which detected no acoustic differences that might tip off female antelopes.
    The clincher that the males were lying to get lucky came from observations of the animals in action. A male antelope secured two to three more chances at mating with a restless female if he pulled the false-snort trick, says Bro-Jørgensen. When receptive females were in males’ territory, the researchers heard the males emit as many as nine false snorts for each honest one.
    But even antelopes can cry “lion” too many times. “If the male keeps making false alarms and there’s no predator,” Bro-Jørgensen says, “she walks away in the end.”
  • flyingillini
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 12-06-06
    • 41219

    #2
    God Bless you Justin!
    המוסד‎
    המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים‎
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    • WileOut
      SBR MVP
      • 02-04-07
      • 3844

      #3


      Now that there is scientific proof that we cannot help it, it is genetically coded into our DNA, I will just show my wife this article next time instead of sending flowers.
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      • ZBOIZ
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 06-22-08
        • 21464

        #4
        Yep
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        • Extra Innings
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 02-26-10
          • 15058

          #5
          All cocaine addicts
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          • Dark Horse
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 12-14-05
            • 13764

            #6
            Game theory.
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            • BadNina
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 11-27-07
              • 10491

              #7
              Of course it is. Just as natural as it is for us to lie to you. Cause we do.

              "Of course I don't mind. I like your friends. You should spend time with them."

              "Your mother seems like such a nice lady. I know we are going to be close."

              "You are the best lover. Ever."

              "No, that's ok. I can do it." (you hear that one.....one word....RUN)
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              • Justin7
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 07-31-06
                • 8577

                #8
                Lol Nina!
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                • Sam Odom
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-30-05
                  • 58063

                  #9
                  "I will just stick the head in"
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                  • Holtgetsback
                    SBR MVP
                    • 01-04-10
                    • 4655

                    #10
                    Did you wear protection last night I can't remember??

                    Yes
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                    • maersksealand
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-17-09
                      • 1673

                      #11
                      The only way to make o woman saying the truth or keeping her from telling lies, is to slap her. But this is illegal in the States so it's basically impossible to fine-tuned them.
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                      • rookie
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 10-01-05
                        • 682

                        #12
                        Originally posted by maersksealand
                        The only way to make o woman saying the truth or keeping her from telling lies, is to slap her. But this is illegal in the States so it's basically impossible to fine-tuned them.
                        Word !
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                        • jjgold
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 07-20-05
                          • 388179

                          #13
                          Everyone lies from time to time

                          We call them white lies and they are harmless
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                          • Justin7
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 07-31-06
                            • 8577

                            #14
                            "You're not fat -- I'm sure your jeans shrunk."
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                            • Dank_Fire
                              SBR MVP
                              • 05-13-09
                              • 2274

                              #15
                              Originally posted by jjgold
                              Everyone lies from time to time

                              We call them white lies and they are harmless
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                              • BadNina
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 11-27-07
                                • 10491

                                #16
                                "I haven't seen your lucky shirt. I don't know where it is."

                                "Dont worry. I'm on the pill."

                                "Oh...he was just here to check the plumbing."
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                                • Holtgetsback
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 01-04-10
                                  • 4655

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by BadNina

                                  "Dont worry. I'm on the pill."
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                                  • ACoochy
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 08-19-09
                                    • 13949

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BadNina

                                    "Dont worry. I'm on the pill."
                                    Heard that one b4
                                    I say most females are better at lying than most guys though as they actually think there lies through b4 enacting them
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                                    • pavyracer
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 04-12-07
                                      • 82865

                                      #19
                                      It's up to the person being lied to to figure out the lie. If you are a good poker player you can tell when your woman is lying and use your belt to show her who the boss is.
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