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ZetaPsi808 · 05-20-10, 12:55 AM

who is playing?

mathdotcom · 05-20-10, 08:57 AM

between Shulman and Onischuk?

Why is it free money? I assume because of some tournament situation, not just because of their styles?
I can't even find on this useless tournament site how many rounds there are.

toastedbread01 · 05-20-10, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

between Shulman and Onischuk?

Why is it free money? I assume because of some tournament situation, not just because of their styles?
I can't even find on this useless tournament site how many rounds there are.

They both have 4.5 out of 5. There are four players tied with 4.5 out of 5. Oni, Shulman, Naka, and Kamsky. The way it works is top 4 qualify for the finals qualifier.

Christiansen has 4.0 and four players have 3.5. If board one draws, they have 5.0 and qualify no matter what.

1186 Draw -164

Whoever set that line is on crack.

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If I had access to Pinny, I would be betting draw up to -2000.

There is a 30 move draw rule, but my guess is they will play some sort of solid slav, possibly an exchange and just wait it out for the draw. These guys don't exactly make millions.

mathdotcom · 05-20-10, 09:33 AM

In an earlier post you said Sofia rules - is that just no draw before 30, or also no draw offers?

mathdotcom · 05-20-10, 09:42 AM

"This innovative new format will ensure an exciting finale for chess fans around the
world. After seven rounds of play, the top four players will face off in a round robin
(also known as a quad). The scores from the Swiss tournament will carry over into the
final. "

-166 is ridiculous but I don't know about -1500. If white has a decent position after a bunch of theory he will probably do a bit of cautious pushing.

toastedbread01 · 05-20-10, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

In an earlier post you said Sofia rules - is that just no draw before 30, or also no draw offers?

I can't remember if they are using 30 or 35. It's not listed anywhere on the website. It's honestly irrelevant. There is no way they won't agree to the draw. White will not push under any circumstances.

Looking at the database, I expect a QGD. Maybe an exchange or Lasker line.

toastedbread01 · 05-20-10, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

"This innovative new format will ensure an exciting finale for chess fans around the
world. After seven rounds of play, the top four players will face off in a round robin
(also known as a quad). The scores from the Swiss tournament will carry over into the
final. "

-166 is ridiculous but I don't know about -1500. If white has a decent position after a bunch of theory he will probably do a bit of cautious pushing.

Look at the prize fund. If either loses, they will cost themselves a bunch of money. There is no benefit of pushing. Neither gives a shit about a few rating points in this spot.

mathdotcom · 05-20-10, 10:06 AM

You're right about everything, all I wonder about is the fact that points carry over into the final 4 round robin. You're right that the prize fund differential is enough to squash that idea.

Good work toastedbread

toastedbread01 · 05-20-10, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

You're right about everything, all I wonder about is the fact that points carry over into the final 4 round robin. You're right that the prize fund differential is enough to squash that idea.

Good work toastedbread

Kamsky should most likely win. Although he may too take draw to secure a spot.
Nakamura will probably win and not draw, simply because Christiansen is in a must win spot.

So, I think it is likely that both board one players would be .5 behind Naka and Kamsky. They would have 3 games to make it up. I still think it is waaaay important to get into the group first.

mathdotcom · 05-20-10, 10:48 AM

I also like Yermo - Finegold draw

Last round for them, Yermo is old and tired and wants to go home

mathdotcom · 05-20-10, 05:41 PM

game officially drawn

toastedbread01 · 05-20-10, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

game officially drawn

Yes, but I didn't win a penny

They played the Lasker variation, which I also suggested.

mathdotcom · 05-20-10, 06:33 PM

good call toastedbread
i dont keep a database and havent used chesslive.de in ages

a nice draw tool though

idiot announcers after Rad8 saying Onischuk had blundered, that itd be exciting to have a decisive game, etc.
Maurice Ashley (BLACKBEAR) and Shahade are total idiots and there's a reason they're not playing in that tournament

toastedbread01 · 05-20-10, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

good call toastedbread
i dont keep a database and havent used chesslive.de in ages

a nice draw tool though

idiot announcers after Rad8 saying Onischuk had blundered, that itd be exciting to have a decisive game, etc.
Maurice Ashley (BLACKBEAR) and Shahade are total idiots and there's a reason they're not playing in that tournament

Shahade is a dolt. I would beat Ashley easily. He is a total scrub at this point.

There was another tournament a few months ago that pinny had lines on. I'd be curious to know what the limits are. I actually know a number of the N. American players.

toastedbread01 · 05-20-10, 07:05 PM

It won't let me send a pm to you. Weird.

mathdotcom · 05-20-10, 07:29 PM

I have PMs disabled.

You can bet to win $71 usually, sometimes only $50. Then line changes 10-15 pts and you can hammer it again.

toastedbread01 · 05-20-10, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

I have PMs disabled.

You can bet to win $71 usually, sometimes only $50. Then line changes 10-15 pts and you can hammer it again.

What is maximum juice before they get suspicious?! lol. It's not too hard to find a player to throw games for the right price.

Have you played OTB at all?

mathdotcom · 05-20-10, 10:38 PM

I am rated slightly over 2250 OTB but haven't played in years. No point continuing past 2200.

You could get people to throw games, but they mostly put on lines on events no smaller than US Championships. I imagine if you pump the line up more than 500 pts they will get suspicious but couldn't prove anything anyways. Though if they for some reason posted early lines on some open tournament, I'm sure you could call up one of your non-American buddies to drill the line for at least a dime or two.

toastedbread01 · 05-20-10, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

I am rated slightly over 2250 OTB but haven't played in years. No point continuing past 2200.

You could get people to throw games, but they mostly put on lines on events no smaller than US Championships. I imagine if you pump the line up more than 500 pts they will get suspicious but couldn't prove anything anyways. Though if they for some reason posted early lines on some open tournament, I'm sure you could call up one of your non-American buddies to drill the line for at least a dime or two.

Well it really depends on your goals/ambitions and age. Also, teaching can make a good supplemental income.

I remember last year they posted lines on some Canadian tournament. I don't think they get much action on the chess, but whoever is in charge does a poor job imo.