NBA Max contracts...How do so many non franchise players get them?

seaborneq · 05-13-10, 04:19 PM

Feedback.

seaborneq · 05-16-10, 10:47 AM

Lebron will not leave money on the table.

UntilTheNDofTimE · 05-16-10, 10:55 AM

Mostly because of the knicks who originally inflated contracts. Im not sure why. I in general think the player max is way too high. You cant get more than 2 stars if their greedy n want max contracts.

This is another reason why ive always respected the spurs players for putting there franchise first.

If lebron really wants a title hed settle for 10-15 million a year to bring in more talent n stay under the new hard cap thats being proposed.
The guy will make 25 million a year in endorsements so hes not hurting. He can be a man and put the franchise first.

gryfyn1 · 05-16-10, 11:43 AM

Its panic signing -- and you will see a few this year too.

What happens is when one or two MAX worthy FA's come to the market, 4-5 teams clear space for them with the pomise to the fans that they will grab a max FA and improve the team.

Once the true Max player chooses his team there are 3 or 4 team left in the lurch looking at the few mid level guys, these teams then sell the mid level player as a true star and sell the max deal to thier fans as "the answer",

This will Happend with David Lee somewhere this year, The will point to his 20/10 year and 53% FG% and say look he a star! and totally ignore he is a train wreck on D, is undersized to play PF and has never played for a team with the pressure of a play off run. He is a Classic "good-guy on a bad team" and will get a 5/90 dea for it.

whatsgood5 · 05-16-10, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE

Mostly because of the knicks who originally inflated contracts.

Spot-on, screwed shit up big time.

Andy117 · 05-16-10, 12:16 PM

Some of the guys you listed Hill & Hardaway were franchise players before they got hurt. That said there a ton of awful contracts in basketball.

seaborneq · 05-16-10, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Andy117

Some of the guys you listed Hill & Hardaway were franchise players before they got hurt. That said there a ton of awful contracts in basketball.

I didn't think Penny could lead Lil Penny let alone a nba team to a championship, and Grant Hill had not been out of the first round as a first fiddle. I don't think injuries made them less players, I just don't think they were alpha dogs either.

ZetaPsi808 · 05-16-10, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by gryfyn1

Its panic signing -- and you will see a few this year too.

What happens is when one or two MAX worthy FA's come to the market, 4-5 teams clear space for them with the pomise to the fans that they will grab a max FA and improve the team.

Once the true Max player chooses his team there are 3 or 4 team left in the lurch looking at the few mid level guys, these teams then sell the mid level player as a true star and sell the max deal to thier fans as "the answer",

This will Happend with David Lee somewhere this year, The will point to his 20/10 year and 53% FG% and say look he a star! and totally ignore he is a train wreck on D, is undersized to play PF and has never played for a team with the pressure of a play off run. He is a Classic "good-guy on a bad team" and will get a 5/90 dea for it.

guy has a clue or 2

Doc JS · 05-16-10, 02:30 PM

In Grant Hill's defense, injuries have certainly impacted his caeeer. Same thing with Penny and TMac...

seaborneq · 05-16-10, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by gryfyn1

Its panic signing -- and you will see a few this year too.

What happens is when one or two MAX worthy FA's come to the market, 4-5 teams clear space for them with the pomise to the fans that they will grab a max FA and improve the team.

Once the true Max player chooses his team there are 3 or 4 team left in the lurch looking at the few mid level guys, these teams then sell the mid level player as a true star and sell the max deal to thier fans as "the answer",

This will Happend with David Lee somewhere this year, The will point to his 20/10 year and 53% FG% and say look he a star! and totally ignore he is a train wreck on D, is undersized to play PF and has never played for a team with the pressure of a play off run. He is a Classic "good-guy on a bad team" and will get a 5/90 dea for it.

Originally posted by gryfyn1

Its panic signing -- and you will see a few this year too.

What happens is when one or two MAX worthy FA's come to the market, 4-5 teams clear space for them with the pomise to the fans that they will grab a max FA and improve the team.

Once the true Max player chooses his team there are 3 or 4 team left in the lurch looking at the few mid level guys, these teams then sell the mid level player as a true star and sell the max deal to thier fans as "the answer",

This will Happend with David Lee somewhere this year, The will point to his 20/10 year and 53% FG% and say look he a star! and totally ignore he is a train wreck on D, is undersized to play PF and has never played for a team with the pressure of a play off run. He is a Classic "good-guy on a bad team" and will get a 5/90 dea for it.

If this is the case, then even I could be a general manager. Clear cap space, put on a good front for the best free agent, sign whoever is left breathing to a max contract, and do it again in 5-6 years. Easy Money.

seaborneq · 05-16-10, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Doc JS

In Grant Hill's defense, injuries have certainly impacted his caeeer. Same thing with Penny and TMac...

Before injuries, how many of these guys "LED" teams to conference finals, finals, or even the second round of the playoffs. None. Injuries are a cop out in their cases. What did they do when healthy alpha dogs? Nothing. Regular season stat padders.

seaborneq · 05-16-10, 02:54 PM

So now it seems as though the debate is should a second fiddle get max money? I was thinking only alpha dogs should get max money.

gryfyn1 · 05-16-10, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

So now it seems as though the debate is should a second fiddle get max money? I was thinking only alpha dogs should get max money.

Not really but the conundrum ends up this:

Its like sitting a poker table where 3 or four guys go all in every hand - best would be to wait for AA or KK, but not only that you have millions of impatient fans and an owner wanting to know whay you aren't winning now!

Eventually you are in a situation where you have to overpay and take a chance or get fired due to mediocrity, similar to what Orlando did with Lewis -

seaborneq · 05-16-10, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by gryfyn1

Not really but the conundrum ends up this:

Its like sitting a poker table where 3 or four guys go all in every hand - best would be to wait for AA or KK, but not only that you have millions of impatient fans and an owner wanting to know whay you aren't winning now!

Eventually you are in a situation where you have to overpay and take a chance or get fired due to mediocrity, similar to what Orlando did with Lewis -

Originally posted by gryfyn1

Not really but the conundrum ends up this:

Its like sitting a poker table where 3 or four guys go all in every hand - best would be to wait for AA or KK, but not only that you have millions of impatient fans and an owner wanting to know whay you aren't winning now!

Eventually you are in a situation where you have to overpay and take a chance or get fired due to mediocrity, similar to what Orlando did with Lewis -

Rashard Lewis is not a max player, never has played like one even before he got to Orlando. A complement at best, or a reason to pay other average players more. Not good. Get more than one good player if that is the case, instead of team suicide.

seaborneq · 05-16-10, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE

Mostly because of the knicks who originally inflated contracts. Im not sure why. I in general think the player max is way too high. You cant get more than 2 stars if their greedy n want max contracts.

This is another reason why ive always respected the spurs players for putting there franchise first.

If lebron really wants a title hed settle for 10-15 million a year to bring in more talent n stay under the new hard cap thats being proposed.
The guy will make 25 million a year in endorsements so hes not hurting. He can be a man and put the franchise first.

Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE

Mostly because of the knicks who originally inflated contracts. Im not sure why. I in general think the player max is way too high. You cant get more than 2 stars if their greedy n want max contracts.

This is another reason why ive always respected the spurs players for putting there franchise first.

If lebron really wants a title hed settle for 10-15 million a year to bring in more talent n stay under the new hard cap thats being proposed.
The guy will make 25 million a year in endorsements so hes not hurting. He can be a man and put the franchise first.

Other than Allen Houston, no max player has signed with the Knick in the last 15 years.

UntilTheNDofTimE · 05-16-10, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by seaborneq

Other than Allen Houston, no max player has signed with the Knick in the last 15 years.

Yes but the contract they gave Q-rich sparked the inflation of league contracts,

seaborneq · 05-17-10, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE

Yes but the contract they gave Q-rich sparked the inflation of league contracts,

Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE

Yes but the contract they gave Q-rich sparked the inflation of league contracts,

The contract must not be too bad since he is a throw in for nothing but minor trades the last 3-4 years. If he keeps it up he will play for all 30 NBA teams with that inflated contract. By the way, how inflated is/was the QRich Knicks contract? Thanks. I don't remember it being a blockbuster inflated contract at the time. He has not been a good player in 6+ years.