Why do people make a big deal out of random number generators being ... random?

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  • Justin7
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 07-31-06
    • 8577

    #1
    Why do people make a big deal out of random number generators being ... random?
    Lebron James has a bad game. The random statistic known as his FG% was bad. So? I'm watching Mike and Mike, and I'm amazed at how excited people get over virtual dice.
  • Fishhead
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 08-11-05
    • 40179

    #2
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    • Fishhead
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-11-05
      • 40179

      #3
      Justin, grab some coffee, thanks.
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      • Carson05
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 10-02-08
        • 506

        #4
        they have to try and get excited about everything that happens because that is their livelihood.

        their needs to be a sports gambling TV show, that would rule. the perspectives on sports would be so much different. no one be yammering on endlessly about unimportant drama that isn't pertinent to making
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        • Fishhead
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 08-11-05
          • 40179

          #5
          Being a strong proponent of +EV video poker, I thank my lucky stars everyday for the random number generators.



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          • OmgUrMom
            Restricted User
            • 02-07-10
            • 8481

            #6
            can you explain how his field goal percentage is a random number generator?
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            • Justin7
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-31-06
              • 8577

              #7
              Originally posted by OmgUrMom
              can you explain how his field goal percentage is a random number generator?
              FG% is just a measurement of previous random coin flips (each shot attempt).
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              • pavyracer
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 04-12-07
                • 82866

                #8
                Mike and Mike is not a sports gambling show..it's a sports entertainment show. The purpose of the show is to generate ratings and not provide statistical sports gambling information.
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                • HoulihansTX
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 02-12-09
                  • 30566

                  #9
                  Why are you watching MIke & MIke?

                  Its dumb(ed) down sports talk.

                  I can only watch it when they have someone of importance being interview, or a third wheel in the studio.
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                  • Chi_archie
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-22-08
                    • 63172

                    #10
                    coins can't practice at being randomly flipped and get better.... but People "random number generators" can....

                    so I think that metaphor breaks down at its very root...

                    I mean I think Larry Bird could prob hit more 3-point shots out of 100 then Bobbyfk. If people really generated random statistics at a learned skill..... then Bobbyfk would have an equal chance of winning.
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                    • Holtgetsback
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-04-10
                      • 4655

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Justin7
                      FG% is just a measurement of previous random coin flips (each shot attempt).
                      You really think the reason LeBron averages 40+ points against the Boston Celtics for his career is because he has gotten more heads than tails?


                      This guy is top 5 fastest in the NBA and built like a truck

                      It is layups and drives that are the reason he is the best offensive player in the nba

                      last night his performance was awful...no drives, no heart and just played soft..was content standing still and launching 16-24 foot jumpers all night which is not his game


                      hope are you joking with this because you are way off here Justin
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                      • Justin7
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 07-31-06
                        • 8577

                        #12
                        The coin is an analogy. Obviously, each player has a different weighted coin. The rest of his team and his opponent weight that coin also. But in the end, it is still just a sequence of random events with various distributions. When a particular game trial lands on one of the tails, it is not really newsworthy.
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                        • Fishhead
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 08-11-05
                          • 40179

                          #13
                          Justin7 is 110% spot on here..............
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                          • Holtgetsback
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-04-10
                            • 4655

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Justin7
                            The coin is an analogy. Obviously, each player has a different weighted coin. The rest of his team and his opponent weight that coin also. But in the end, it is still just a sequence of random events with various distributions. When a particular game trial lands on one of the tails, it is not really newsworthy.
                            Well, the tails in this particular sequence happened to be LeBron James showing no effort to score. Mr James not scoring till the 3rd quarter reflected this.

                            This has not happened since 2006 I believe.. him waiting to make a field goal till the 3rd quarter. And yes I said waiting, because this guy can do whatever he wants on the basketball court. He is blessed with out of this world talent, and many would kill to be in his position. But it seems as if he wanted no part of it.

                            The other particular about this coin was this being the most important game of the season.

                            As SBR_JOHN put it well earlier, this series is reminiscent of The Wizard of Oz..with LeBron being the Lion with NO HEART.

                            Go Boston
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                            • wrongturn
                              SBR MVP
                              • 06-06-06
                              • 2228

                              #15
                              I don't have problem with his stat (as a likely outcome of a weighted random generator) in the last game if he was playing hard like he cares, but he wasn't.
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                              • yisman
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 09-01-08
                                • 75682

                                #16
                                FG% is not entirely random.

                                It's also most certainly not a random number generator.
                                [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                [/quote]

                                [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                                • yisman
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 09-01-08
                                  • 75682

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Justin7
                                  FG% is just a measurement of previous random coin flips (each shot attempt).
                                  ummm, a shot attempt is not a coin flip.

                                  This is easily the dumbest thread I've ever seen you make.

                                  FG% is only partially random, as most of it is comprised of skill, the difficulty of the shot, the defense you're facing, etc.

                                  Sure, each game is a small sample size, but trying to pretend each shot attempt is a coin flip is pure bollocks.
                                  [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                  [/quote]

                                  [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                                  • wal66
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 10-14-08
                                    • 5305

                                    #18
                                    Justin, random number generators are not random by their very nature. How can ANYTHING programed be random. They are based on statistical odds of numbers repeating themselves and a bunch of other technical crap that I won't try and fool anyone into thinking I understand.

                                    That cage they roll the lottery numbers around in, THAT'S a legitimate random numbers generator. No computer program and be totally random.
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                                    • poker_dummy101
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 11-03-08
                                      • 6395

                                      #19
                                      i tuned in the last 15 mins of mike and mike just because of this thread and i heard them talking about how un-motivated and lethargic he was (infact all of espn was talking about that), not about his poor fg percentage.
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                                      • Sam Odom
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 10-30-05
                                        • 58063

                                        #20
                                        Remember the electronic Keno Machine in Nevada that was unplugged each early morning by the clean-up crew? Some SHARP picked up on the unrandomness of the RNG and cashed a big ticket.
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                                        • mathdotcom
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 03-24-08
                                          • 11689

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Justin7
                                          Lebron James has a bad game. The random statistic known as his FG% was bad. So? I'm watching Mike and Mike, and I'm amazed at how excited people get over virtual dice.
                                          Justin how do you know they did not compute the proper test-statistic and determine that the null hypothesis of randomness was rejected?
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                                          • Justin7
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 07-31-06
                                            • 8577

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by mathdotcom
                                            Justin how do you know they did not compute the proper test-statistic and determine that the null hypothesis of randomness was rejected?
                                            Isn't that what I said?
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