Never bothered with it before. Do they actually not change their odds once they are posted? What about pitching changes or huge swings in spreads/totals in basketball when an NBA player gets sick from too much KFC the night before?
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very tough to win would have had NICE 5 TEAMER bur rhe mets let me down you can also just take players to bet minimum 2 picks good luckComment -
Stay away from this.
Parlays only - 3 game minimum
MUCH MUCH worse odds than what you'll find online
You know how much money the government lottos take in right? Nearly 50%. It's the same thing here, the juice is nearly 50%! NO WAY you can beat these guys in the long run.Comment -
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just because everyone else is a moron doesn't mean you have to be one too.
1] They apparently do not adjust their lines once they're set.
2] Allow correlated parlaysComment -
"Never bothered with it before." I don't get this, you come out asking about Pro Line, and now you are defending it?Originally posted by mathdotcom
I never said that they don't adjust their lies, they do keep their lines static as soon as they are released, which I believe is once a week (or used to be, haven't played with them for years.).
And yes, they do allow correlated parlays, BUT, you have to play a parlay with a minimum of 3 teams, and you know how the juice adds up in parlays. Given this is a government run lottery, you get much worse than "fair" odds, so the juice adds up that much quicker.
Still don't know where this attitude is coming from. You asked about Proline, I gave you my 2 cents, that's it. Still trying to figure out how that qualifies me as a "moron". Just remember that this is a government run lottery, I don't think they're losing money.
BTW, they do not allow NBA, this was part of the deal that saw Toronto get an NBA franchise.Comment -
I'm not entirely sure of the accuracy of the info since I haven't played in awhile (1 year) but if proline is like the system in Quebec, Totals and Sides/ML's are separated into two programs (Total for the former and the latter being Mise-o-Jeu). You can't combine Total/Mise-au-jeu (no correlated parlays) and must choose each parlay from one program. The lines offered are usually so bad that any movement is already incorporated into the initial odds so that betting any offshore lines is more profitable.
In any event I think the minimum bet is like $2.00 so an easy experiment to find out. If you can wait 2 weeks I'll buy one and pass on the info since it's the family reunion and I'll no doubt have to go out and buy lotto tickets for them
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Just as an example, I did a 3 play parlay on Pro-Line and SBR with points and I threw in Matchbook lines (even though I know you can't parlay them, just to compare), here's how they compare:
PIT WIN BY 01 PTS.
PROLINE ODDS +100
SBR ODDS +115
MATCHBOOK +114
9 BBL CIN @ PIT
2010-05-11
NYY WIN BY 01 PTS.
PROLINE ODDS -200
SBR ODDS -150
MATCHBOOK -139
10 BBL NYY @ DET
2010-05-11
MIL WIN BY 01 PTS.
PROLINE ODDS -133
SBR ODDS +105
MATCHBOOK +114
18 BBL ATL @ MIL
2010-05-11
All 3 correct pays
PROLINE
WAGER $2.00
X ODDS 5.25
=PAYS $10.50
SBR
Risking 2 SBR To Win 12.69 SBR
Anyway, I looked around online, and apparently some lines do change and some bets are taken off the board. Also, the starting lines are much worse than you'll find anywhere else, probably to accommodate any small changes in the game.Comment -
yeah the juice is ridiculous. i dont know the exact odds translation, but regular sides are 1.70x as opposed to 1.91 (which is hard enough to beat).
here's the program for what we have in quebec.
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forsberg, wasn't calling you a moron. Just saying that most people are morons, and so just because they make a lot of money does not mean there's no way to profit. The same is true for online books and yet there are guys turning a profit. My statement was unclear, sorry pal. I meant 'you' in the general sense.
Sport select in Ontario allows correlated parlays, even between runlines and totals. Of course the juice is absolutely ridiculous, but on days where there is a pitching change or two, the lines can change dramatically. If you look at hockey currently, if you bet the Blackhawks on proline you'll get a fair price (http://proline.olg.ca/prolineEvents.do).
Baseball lines unfortunately don't change a lot from the opener unless there's a pitching change, and proline doesn't seem to post totals for games in San Fran or Wrigley etc. However if they're posting spreads for NFL at the start of the week, there could be a lot of nice opportunities by Sunday morning.
Did not know that about NBA and Raptors. Thanks forsberg.Comment -
I'm also curious about their "betting limits". $100 per ticket. But what stops you from handing the clerk 10 identical tickets? The machine doesn't know I'm the same person. If it's in the clerk's control then just need to smile and tell him he looks sharp in his uniform, maybe duke him a fiver.Comment -
Math,
In BC we have the same basic thing called Sportsaction
the new menu for the week comes out thursday and has games right up to wednesday night but also you can go to to retailer to get odds printed out for added games. They printed it out like a lottery ticket.
The menu for the week has odds that cannot be changed.
They used to have it where it was a minimum 3 teams to had to pick. $2 to $100 per ticket. Nothing prevents you from submitting other tickets
My buddy in Vancouver recently told me that you can do 2 teams now
Very popular betting option. Every bar or pub has it. Government run.
here's a great link that walks you through it http://www.bclc.com/PlayNow/SportsAction/OddsetDemo.asp
Home page https://playnow.bclc.com/BCCF/forwar...ortsAction.do#Comment -
Right but they now take games off the board when there's too much of an edge.Originally posted by mathdotcom
In the golden age of proline, that never happened.Comment -
Originally posted by mathdotcom
The Pro-Line terminals in Ontario are setup so that the same ticket cannot be played consecutive times at the same terminal, plus each retailer has a "limit" for how many tickets of a certain combination can be played at his location, retailers are also limited to how much action they can take, you would have to use different retailers.
The OLG monitors the retailers sales closely and will threaten to shut them down for non compliance.
The OLG will also halt betting on certain combination plays if it looks like they are exposed.
They finally have it all figured out after making some terrible mistakes in the early years of the game.Comment -
Very good information gents. Luckily there are many such retailers in my hood. Will be curious to see how it works during NFL. It seems they have fixed odds for hitting an x-team parlay, which could be nice for big swings in the spread/total, or even to bet the fair spread on key numbers (eg. +7 -130, -7 +110).Comment -
plommer you might not be as dumb as you lookOriginally posted by betplom
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Mathy, thanks for the compliment pal, sorry I can't reciprocate.Originally posted by mathdotcomplommer you might not be as dumb as you look
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plommer did you kill buzzy??Comment -
Mathy, I haven't talked to Buztah in some time now and am getting a little concerned.Originally posted by mathdotcom
Perhaps I will stop by the Barton St. jail next time I'm in Hamilton and see if he is currently a resident there.
Maybe Buztah is having trouble making bail again, if I could help I would.Comment -
Originally posted by mathdotcomplommer you might not be as dumb as you look
Plommer knows too much about the intricacies of proline, which means he's an avid player.
I'ts not smart to play proline so much. Reconsider your praise.
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I played Pro-Line before I had sportsbook accounts, true.Originally posted by sicklerPlommer knows too much about the intricacies of proline, which means he's an avid player.
I'ts not smart to play proline so much. Reconsider your praise.
I doubt I've spent more than $50 on Pro-Line since 2005.
Hawk, I was looking for a way to hurt pro-line, other than them accepting bets on an event that was complete there has been no way.
I sometimes visit the site to view the odds, which are pathetic, unless you like playing -140/-140 on either side with many ways to lose and few ways to win.
I know people that still play pro-line and I cringe when I see their tickets.
Having said that the pro-line "pools" look interesting, as you can hit for $250K on the multiple selections.
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"other than them accepting bets on an event that was complete there has been no way."
Not true. Several years ago they inverted the odds on some Italian SerieA soccer. Four big faves were made big dogs. I believe it was Inter Milan, Juventus, AS Roma and AC Milan. The odds for these teams were meant for their opponents, and the opponents were given their true odds. So you had Inter paying 6.0 instead of 1.4
I noticed it on their website when they used to post the odds at midnight. Stayed up all night and filled out slips, di a 3 of 4. Three of these teams won with the big dog odds. It was a very nice profit. This was also before the $100 per store limit.
They caught the mistake in the morning but I went out at 6:00 AM and ran tickets. They paid me....Comment -
nice work sickler
what do they do if during NFL they release a game with a spread of 7 and it changes to 14? Do they take the game down completely? That seems their only option if they don't adjust the line.
If they post one really bad line, an option to avoid paying horrible juice on the other 2 bets is to bet on a game that is likely to be rained out, then those 2 bets are a push and you just get the game you want. Of course the game might go ahead anyways.Comment -
They would take the game down. They use the term "industry odds changed" as the reason on their website.Originally posted by mathdotcomComment -
Fair enough Mathy.Originally posted by mathdotcom
IMO, I'd just stay away in general. Pro Line turns break even bettors into losers and long time winners into break even players. Of course there's the chance that you could get some value on the line changes, but I don't know how often they happen, and how much of an advantage you'd get. That's not my thing, I don't follow line changes in Pro Line, so I can't comment.
I heard years ago that there were a couple of guys that made hundreds of thousands of dollars betting ties in hockey. Back then, ties paid 6.00/6.50 when a game was graded a tie after 3 periods of play. Other than these guys, I don't know or have heard anybody making money off Pro Line.
There's also Pro Picks, where you bet which player will score the most points over the next 5 days or something like that. But again, there's a lotta juice in that, the gov keeps about 50% and pays out the other 50% collected to the winner(s).Comment
