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  • statnerds
    SBR MVP
    • 09-23-09
    • 4047

    #1
    Anyone worried about their 401K?
    In February, the White House released its “Annual Report on the Middle Class” containing new regulations favored by Big Labor including a bailout of critically underfunded union pension plans through “retirement security” options.
    The radical solution most favored by Big Labor is the seizure of private 401(k) plans for government disbursement -- which lets them off the hook for their collapsing retirement scheme. And, of course, the Obama administration is eager to accommodate their buddies.
    Vice President Joe Biden floated the idea, called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts” (GRAs), in the February “Middle Class” report.
    In conjunction with the report’s release, the Obama administration jointly issued through the Departments of Labor and Treasury a “Request for Information” regarding the “annuitization” of 401(k) plans through “Lifetime Income Options” in the form of a notice to the public of proposed issuance of rules and regulations. (pdf)
    House Republican Leader John Boehner (Ohio) and a group of House Republicans are mounting an effort to fight back.
    The American people have become painfully aware over the past year that elections sometimes have calamitous consequences. Republicans lack the votes (for now) to reign in the Obama administration’s myriad nationalization plans for everything from health care to the automobile industry.
    Now the backdoor bulls-eye is on your 401(k) plan and the trillions of dollars the government would control through seizure, regulation and federal disbursement of mandatory retirement accounts.
    Boehner and the group are sounding the alarm, warning bureaucrats to keep their hands off of America’s private retirement plans.
    Just when you thought it was safe to come up for air after the government takeover of health care.


    man we're fukked
  • bighank33
    SBR High Roller
    • 11-03-09
    • 190

    #2
    ugh. that makes me sick
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    • jlgarciaiii22
      SBR MVP
      • 04-14-08
      • 1792

      #3
      Not me, cashed that Sh!t out years ago...
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      • jw
        SBR MVP
        • 10-25-09
        • 3999

        #4
        : yawn : they want to take my money, they want to take my guns, they want to rape my women and burn my village .... there is going to be another terrorist attack, Obama is Kenyan, Healthcare is socialist, death panels .... its the end of the world as we know it ...


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        • tltaylor89
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 06-19-09
          • 19610

          #5
          My personal portfolio is the only thing I have.Much better than locking it away .
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          • Brock Landers
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 06-30-08
            • 45359

            #6
            will never happen, so relax.
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            • statnerds
              SBR MVP
              • 09-23-09
              • 4047

              #7
              Originally posted by Brock Landers
              will never happen, so relax.

              and neither could this...right?

              A little noticed section (Section 152, page 63) of the Obama administration's Financial Reform bill would create a new 1,000-employee office within the Department of the Treasury, the Office of Financial Research, which is raising alarm bells among Senate GOP staff, who say the entity would have broad powers to invade the privacy of American citizens and monitor their finances and financial activity at a level never before allowed by the federal government.
              The OFR is a companion entity to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), which is also proposed in the legislation (section 1001, page 1030).
              Under the bill's current language, according the Senate Banking Committee sources, the OFR under the new federal law would be allowed to collect any financial data it chooses, whether from individual citizens or businesses. Under the language of the bill, the data center can collect and maintain "all data necessary" to monitor the financial system. Wall Street executives are also concerned, because of the kind of "competitive intelligence" such an entity could collect.
              "In real time, this office could be monitoring how an investment bank creates sole purpose entities and moves funding around for deal-making, real estate purchases, that kind of thing," says an executive with J.P. Morgan Chase. "That's not the kind of information anyone would want to have being shared, particularly if the government could in some way be a competitor. And the way things are going with financial institutions, that's increasingly a real possibility."
              "As we read this legislation, the CFPB could mine for whatever data they want, bank card activities of a subset of American citizens, credit card debt and payment patterns, who is spending money on whatever," says a Senate committee source. "And if the business community isn't already scared out of their minds, they should be."
              In one example the staffer raised, the Obama Administration-created agency might want to track whether U.S. consumers "were spending too much" or cutting into savings rates. "They could, as we read the bill, monitor your spending habits, and it's not clear what that agency could or could not do with the data," says the aide.
              Under the bill, all Americans would be required to provide the CFPB with written answers, under oath, to any question posed by the agency regarding their personal financial information, and the Office of Financial Research would have subpoena power and funding to mine and monitor those financial transactions it chose to examine.
              Under language in the bill, neither entity would be subject to Congressional budget or appropriations processes. The head of the CFPB would be presidentially nominated and confirmed by the Senate.
              Perhaps more chilling, the data collected by these new entities would not be protected or necessarily confidential. Rather, Senate staff believe in reading the bill introduced and negotiated by Sen. Chris Dodd, data collected by the offices could be shared with other government agencies, including executive branch agencies such as the IRS.
              The Prowler received a document of talking points on the OFR, which is currently circulating among GOP Senators and staff (full text below). Perhaps most outrageous to taxpayers: many of the employees of this agency would be exempt from General Schedule (GS) pay scales, thus ensuring that their salaries could far exceed those of traditional government bureaucrats.

              do you people not understand Unions have promised billions upon billions to their members and the money isn't there? where will they get it?
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              • statnerds
                SBR MVP
                • 09-23-09
                • 4047

                #8
                Originally posted by jw
                : yawn : they want to take my money, they want to take my guns, they want to rape my women and burn my village .... there is going to be another terrorist attack, Obama is Kenyan, Healthcare is socialist, death panels .... its the end of the world as we know it ...
                wow.

                both parties suck, too bad your mind can't grasp that. keep your head in the sand, but America is broke.
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                • Fishhead
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 08-11-05
                  • 40179

                  #9
                  Money in a 401k at this time is not a wise idea.........unless it consists of no more then 10% of one's net worth.
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                  • jw
                    SBR MVP
                    • 10-25-09
                    • 3999

                    #10
                    Originally posted by statnerds

                    both parties suck, too bad your mind can't grasp that. keep your head in the sand, but America is broke.
                    I said one party didn't suck?

                    Are you just making up your own words and adding them to my reply so that you can create an argument?

                    All politicians suck ... their sole aim is to get re-elected, they don't give a crap about you or your family .. arguing that one lot is worse than the other is futile ..

                    Whoever is in power just happens to suck the worst ..... and I will never waive my right to complain ... because its what I do best.... but all of this "Oh my god - the world is going to come to an end if "insert name of political party here" gets in/stays in/is not removed from power is getting very old very fast.


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                    • freeVICK
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 01-21-08
                      • 7114

                      #11
                      99% of posters don't have an IRA anyway. you think guys like JJ are saving for retirement? no way
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                      • statnerds
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-23-09
                        • 4047

                        #12
                        Originally posted by freeVICK
                        99% of posters don't have an IRA anyway. you think guys like JJ are saving for retirement? no way
                        i imagine JJ has most of his funds, which are substantial, tied up in his many entrepreneurial endeavors.
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                        • statnerds
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-23-09
                          • 4047

                          #13
                          jw-

                          government is no more than a necessary evil, at best. however, at no point did i say dems are going to destroy the world. just presenting facts, such as:

                          1. unions own the dems

                          2. unions have billions upon billions of benefits due members through healthcare, pensions, etc. they cannot cover these debts.

                          3. the government is broke, so they can't bail them out.

                          4. i disagree with the wording of government seizing 401ks, that wouldn't happen. it will most likely be presented as a 'voluntary' program that will help bolster and secure the retirement accounts of millions of Americans. gives us all your money now for these Bonds later. ask China how that is working out for them.
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                          • jw
                            SBR MVP
                            • 10-25-09
                            • 3999

                            #14
                            Originally posted by statnerds
                            4. i disagree with the wording of government seizing 401ks, that wouldn't happen. it will most likely be presented as a 'voluntary' program that will help bolster and secure the retirement accounts of millions of Americans. gives us all your money now for these Bonds later. ask China how that is working out for them.
                            I like the scare them and make them demand change route most governments take nowadays ... works almost every time

                            Still - as long as I've got my gun and at least 3 years of food and water in my emergency cave - i should be able to hold out longer than most
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                            • Outlawdino
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 06-28-08
                              • 467

                              #15
                              Cashed mine out just under 14,000....paid the "penalty" and haven't regretted it since.
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                              • MartinBlank
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 07-20-08
                                • 8382

                                #16
                                stat...

                                I have to ask the obvious.

                                Where/What website are you copying/posting those "articles" from?
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                                • jw
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 10-25-09
                                  • 3999

                                  #17


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                                  • flyingillini
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 12-06-06
                                    • 41219

                                    #18
                                    Mine is shot and it makes me sick to look at it. I have the majority of my money invested in property in Santa Barbara and that is better than any 401k.
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