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    Why the Flu and Covid19 are apples and oranges

    The flu every year is just a mutated form of a human virus that has been around for centuries. your body knows how to fight it, you were born with a immune system that was designed for this fight. Its literally written into your gene code. And every year of your life when you are exposed to various tweaks and versions of the basic flu. you build and keep specific antibodies that will sit and wait to be called upon for the next tiny tweak of the flu structure you are exposed to

    Novel virus means that it doesn't come from humans. its a mutated form of an animal virus. It doesn't at all work like the flu does in attacking the body (even if symptoms are similar) On a cellular level your body is completely dumbfounded with how to defend itself. Your Genes have nothing set up for this battle. your immune system has to start from scratch. Secondly covid19 seems to mutate and figure out ways to make itself more deadly and spread quicker. its already mutated once in humans. so we have 2 strains. We have no clue if the next mutation and strain will suddenly attack young lung cells or be a 50% mortality rate ect. its a complete unknown. So we have to contain it now
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    to put in sports terms


    The the new strain of the Flu that comes every year, is the latest NFL Offensive Fad.

    its the wild cat, its the RPO, its the Run and shoot.

    the defenses are equipped to figure this out eventually but it takes some time, but they adjust and eventually shut it down

    Covid19 is an offense that shows up on the field and that team suddenly has players with 4 arms, it has players that can float in air and fly, it has players that have go go gaget arms, and players that weigh 2000 lbs, the Quarterback can make himself invisible.


    its not something that the defense is going to make an adjustment to at halftime. Its gonna just flatten some teams so bad, they just forfeit the season. YOu have to go create from scratch a way to even the fight out and recruit some 4 arm 2000 lb flying invisble players. but it takes awhile to find them.
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    forgot to mention that this Virus is dose dependent.

    meaning the more of the virus you are exposed to, the worse your following illness will be.

    With the Flu, if you are exposed with a tiny bit in the subway by one person near you or if you are preschool teacher that has 10 infected kids climbing all over her and coughing in her face. your illness will be the same in either instance.


    This is very bad news for our health care system. and its why in China a 29 and 34 year old doctor died early on in their fight before they were knowing to use the proper PPE

    with our system running low on PPE already. We are faced witht he potential of having a health care system that only has half the team on the field and/or playing very hurt when the peak moments of the game get going.

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    This guy has been very informative on this situation. Kudos for logic.

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    Thanks for the posts Chi...

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    guys I don’t think we have enough corona virus discussion here lets amp it up a notch or two

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bear View Post
    guys I don’t think we have enough corona virus discussion here lets amp it up a notch or two
    sucks to have to read the same nonsense daily doesn't it? now you know what the rest of the forum thinks of you
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    Quote Originally Posted by unde0087 View Post
    Chi, where did you get your PHD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    to put in sports terms


    The the new strain of the Flu that comes every year, is the latest NFL Offensive Fad.

    its the wild cat, its the RPO, its the Run and shoot.

    the defenses are equipped to figure this out eventually but it takes some time, but they adjust and eventually shut it down

    Covid19 is an offense that shows up on the field and that team suddenly has players with 4 arms, it has players that can float in air and fly, it has players that have go go gaget arms, and players that weigh 2000 lbs, the Quarterback can make himself invisible.


    its not something that the defense is going to make an adjustment to at halftime. Its gonna just flatten some teams so bad, they just forfeit the season. YOu have to go create from scratch a way to even the fight out and recruit some 4 arm 2000 lb flying invisble players. but it takes awhile to find them.
    but it can still only beat the browns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Love Corona threads actually
    do they frighten you?

    I have to admit you guys were freaking me out 2 days ago

    I couldn’t even sleep

    I’ve changed my perspective though

    I say you cannot live in fear

    It is impossible to steal second base with your foot on first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booya711 View Post
    sucks to have to read the same nonsense daily doesn't it? now you know what the rest of the forum thinks of you

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    Chi, in my business there is 180% chance I get this if it is really that contagious. I am trapped inside walls with 800 filthy motherfukers and staff. With what I deal with each day I have high blood pressure, high stress, little sleep compared to hours worked, and I smoke. I will let you know how it turns out for me. If I all of a sudden stop posting then I am dead. I got influenza two days after coming back from Bahamas with the crew in Feb, who knows maybe it was the corona, I can tell you it was the worst sickness I ever had. Couldn't stand up on my own for 2 days. I guess if this shit is so badass I am awaiting the challenge. I will get it, I guarantee that. Lets go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Love Corona threads actually
    I do think we should set up a temp corona section like a Caronaloon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    forgot to mention that this Virus is dose dependent.

    meaning the more of the virus you are exposed to, the worse your following illness will be.

    Please explain more on this.

    Is this the reason Italy has it so bad, because everyone HAS to hug and kiss everyone at work/at the social meeting and touch them 5 times a minute talking to them?

    Does every person who has COVID-19, have an "infinite supply" of the virus cells to give it to 10000 kissing Italians, if you were to queue them up and kiss this infected person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_1965 View Post
    Please explain more on this.

    Is this the reason Italy has it so bad, because everyone HAS to hug and kiss everyone at work/at the social meeting and touch them 5 times a minute talking to them?

    Does every person who has COVID-19, have an "infinite supply" of the virus cells to give it to 10000 kissing Italians, if you were to queue them up and kiss this infected person?

    no its not an infinite supply per se. As to the degree you are infected is the degree to which you are shedding (giving off molecules of Coronavirus) So with airborne viruses and especially Zoonatic ones (non human originating viruses) when you come into contact and bring the CV into your system it can't do anything negative to you. A virus isn't even actually alive, its not like bacteria germs or parasites that are much much bigger and complex and can replicate in your system on their own, because they are cells.

    Viruses are way less structured than a cell. Their only desire is to hi jack the cells in your body and then take over the machinary inside the cell. So they can create more of themselves since they can't do it on their own. (if you took high school biology which i'm sure some of SBR did think of organelles around your nucleus such as Ribosomes, Endoplasmic reticulum, and golgi bodies. This machinary is what continues to write your gene code so you can replicate cells. So now the Virus takes all that shit over and says "now you make more and more of me bitch" and each new virus twin created goes on to invade a cell and do the process over again.

    so the more molecules of virus you come into the contact the quicker that the exponential replication of the virus will proliferate. So if you leaning over a coughin wheezing patient while trying to intubate with a ventilator ( during that process this is tremendous amounts of aerosolized droplets going into the surrounding air, think of what happens when you put your thumb into the the end of a fast running hose, but with gases instead)

    all those little droplets are containing more of those cells to get into your system you are the host and it wants to set up shop and live forever with a million of its friends. So if they get a head start with like 100 or 1000 or 10000 of those little fuckers as opposed to 10 you might pick up from your grocery store cashier. So that head start on your immune system which is already dumb founded by a virus that is structure way way different from the thousands that it has faced over the course of its lifetime, and it has to start from the drawing board on how to attack it before it over runs the bodies systems.

    since these things are so tiny (under 5 microns), way smaller than a cold germ for instance they are able to survive in liquid or just free floating and they are so light they are not subject to gravity. So that is why N95 masks are so important as it looks like they can hang in ther air for up to 3 hours.

    But the method which they came up with the Aerosolized theory was not real world. they basically took some virus samples sealed it in a goldberg drum, Aerosolized it and then projected it out onto a surface to measure how long virus was still landing on the surface (thus hanging in the air) That's not real world its not coming out of a human so we don't know it functions like that coming out of a human body.


    So I guess short answer I guess maybe the Italians being all huggy kissy could make it worse, but its more about how contagious it will be now that everyone seems to know to use extreme caution with social distancing

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    It looks like world wide the Corona Virus has over taken the Flu on daily deaths. From Thursday.

    Flu Deaths 832
    Corona deaths 1356

    I would guess with the lack of testing, that many of the deaths right now and for the past few weeks have been Corona deaths but have not been tested so will just be tabulated as Pnemonia or respiratory failure. unfortunately the lack of ability to really track the #'s will become a big political debate from both sides disputing the "real" and "fake" numbers. but I just don't think we'll be able to ever know real accurate numbers. In many hospitals now the staff is told to just move on to triage and treating and don't worry about actually testing as it is a waste of the specific workers and hospitals time and resources as they get overloaded with flu and corona cases, plus all the other illnesses they see in all seasons.


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    Those are all great points.

    Also, we know that this is spreading at a faster rate and it is has a higher death rate (perhaps because it's novel).

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    Everyone is recovering from this.. 1% mortality rate with Corona world wide.. Less then your average flu.

    I'd say our immune systems are doing just fine defending itself from this Corona virus..

    It's over hyped and hogwash.. Restart our economy already I say..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Everyone is recovering from this.. 1% mortality rate with Corona world wide.. Less then your average flu.

    I'd say our immune systems are doing just fine defending itself from this Corona virus..

    It's over hyped and hogwash.. Restart our economy already I say..
    Would you feel the same way if it was a terrorist attack that killed less people than the flu? You would be the first preaching to the high heavens to go to war

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Everyone is recovering from this.. 1% mortality rate with Corona world wide.. Less then your average flu.

    I'd say our immune systems are doing just fine defending itself from this Corona virus..

    It's over hyped and hogwash.. Restart our economy already I say..
    Dude. Read. You can do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Everyone is recovering from this.. 1% mortality rate with Corona world wide.. Less then your average flu.

    I'd say our immune systems are doing just fine defending itself from this Corona virus..

    It's over hyped and hogwash.. Restart our economy already I say..
    Jibby are you telling me that the flu is 1% mortality rate now?

    its been a very bad flu season but I don't think its that bad.

    as for Corona Virus we can't calculate Mortality. We don't have numerators to match with denominators yet. The data is very incomplete anyways.

    but you can't say (taking the latest us numbers as example)

    22,738 cases contracted by 288 deaths.

    288/22738= 1.26% death rate

    the reason we can't do this, is because our denominator is not done with the illness yet. about 17,000 of those 22,738 tested positive in the last 4 days. The majority of people dying of this spend 2-3 weeks in the hospital before they die. So the people that tested positive yesterday our now in our denominator, might not show up in our numerator number until the 2nd week of April. We can say that all the deaths until recent Italy deaths have all had access to hospitals fullys staffed, they had access to a bed and a ventilator. Its starting to look like that will not be the case for people that contract this in April.

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    World is ending everyone panic!!!! Crap on a stick I say!!!

    Just keep your distance and wash your hands, that's all we needed to do from the start. Can open businesses and restart the Economy.. Just take that Malaria drug now it's working in Italy if you get it and become ruined...




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    I took a malaria antidote once and it really made me go to the rest room. That toilet paper may come in handy for ppl.

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    Yeah the protein it uses to attach is something our body uses all the time so it doesn't recognize it as a threat.

    Flu is like I-formation and Corona is like the Wildcat.

    We'll catch up but itll take a season

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    Good read arch.

    I know all about it. Some people just don't get it

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    It's different but I have it on good word that the things that work against the cold also work here.

    zinc zinc zinc zinc

    Anyone else use zicam to zap colds? Definitely works. Started doing that several years ago and changed deverything. They key is to start dosing every 3 hours as soon as you get that feeling in your throat. My colds always start first in the throat before anything else. If I start that right away it blunts it big time. I had it at the beginning of Feb. Mildest cold I ever had. Guess it could have been corona, although I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    I took a malaria antidote once and it really made me go to the rest room. That toilet paper may come in handy for ppl.
    I took Malaria tabs also a few times and never got the squirts in my early day travels in the jungles years ago.. Hmmm?

    Traveling thru Mexico is a different story though, never even drank the water.... I had montezuma's revenge for days after coming back home to America.. Talk about the shiits.. I remember that.. Must have been in the ice they put in the bottled water.. Mexico has it's own virus..

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    Thanks for the info Chi_Archie. I wasn't aware of much of what you wrote.

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