Who Originates The Lines?

SBR_John · 12-28-05, 09:48 AM

In the NFL I see Oly and CRIS open their lines on SBRLines while the afternoon games are still being played and they swing wildly for about 30 minutes.

Scorpion · 12-28-05, 11:12 AM

Olympic posts nfl lines befor cris
oly posts ncaa hoops lines before cris
oly posts ncaa hoops totals, cris doesnt
oly posts nba lines before cris
oly posts MLB lines before cris
oly posts wnba lines before cris

Cris only posts ncaa football lines before Oly but OLy posts ncaa football totals before cris

I would say the lines originate at Oly and Pinnacle

JoshW · 12-28-05, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by imgv94

I was wondering if anyone knew who and/or how many
different people make the lines? I read somewhere that
cris used to have a guy that originates the line but he
went somewhere else. The reason I ask this is with so
many sportsbooks out there the lines always seem to be
about the same. What do some of them do? wait for
other books to post lines then post theirs??

Spiro at Olympic only uses one consultant before putting up lines, don't remember his name, but it isn't Las Vegas Sports Consultants.

spanky · 12-28-05, 12:35 PM

i've heard there is a group of 5-6 guys together in vegas who put opening lines and then sportsbooks then adjust or tweak in house.

David · 12-28-05, 01:34 PM

Stardust

BuddyBear · 12-28-05, 02:00 PM

We had a poster named moneylinemaker who insisted he made the lines. I wish he was still here we could get more detail.

BuddyBear · 12-28-05, 02:01 PM

I think it is a group of guys in Vegas who set the lines over the course of a few hours then realse them. Vegas sportsbooks and offshores then adjust them slightly according to their clientale and expected action.

Seems like it would be more complicated but that is really it.

bigboydan · 12-28-05, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by lakerfan

Spiro at Olympic only uses one consultant before putting up lines, don't remember his name, but it isn't Las Vegas Sports Consultants.

laker, spiro mentioned in a chat one night, that he relies on his own people. when it comes to openers. but, like you said i can't remember either off hand.

pags11 · 12-28-05, 06:49 PM

I believe buddybear is correct...

imgv94 · 12-28-05, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

I think it is a group of guys in Vegas who set the lines over the course of a few hours then realse them. Vegas sportsbooks and offshores then adjust them slightly according to their clientale and expected action.

Seems like it would be more complicated but that is really it.

sounds right... I guess we can never know for sure..
I know there is a formula to make a line. I remember only
vaguely how it is performed.

raiders72001 · 12-29-05, 01:52 AM

I think it is a group of guys in Vegas who set the lines over the course of a few hours then realse them. Vegas sportsbooks and offshores then adjust them slightly according to their clientale and expected action.

That's the way it use to be and they are called Las Vegas Sports Consultants. Now it originates offshore. One of the head guys at LVSC left and is trying to start his own business to compete with LVSC.

raiders72001 · 12-29-05, 02:01 AM

"Roxy" was the original owner of LVSC. As you guys have posted there are a couple of guys that sit around at a table and discuss the lines. Each has his own specialty. They then send the lines out to the books so that the book can then set their lines.

Roxy sold LVSC and now there is competition to get the lines out first. Offshore is now ahead of Vegas.

pags11 · 12-29-05, 04:44 AM

Roxy Roxburo, Raiders is right...

mad · 12-29-05, 06:25 AM

LOL, Roxy Roxboro - cool name.

isetcap · 12-29-05, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by mad

LOL, Roxy Roxboro - cool name.

Doesn't she do the halftime at Patriots games?

imgv94 · 12-30-05, 04:05 AM

roxy his name used to come out next to the lines in all the newspapers
he is an old guy with glasses.

jfcdimz · 12-30-05, 04:10 AM

the stardust casino in vegas used to be but NOW ALL THE BIG ACTION IS IN SAN JOSE costa rica. CRIS

imgv94 · 01-30-07, 05:52 AM

Heard that Roxy is molesting little boys now in Thailand..

Dark Horse · 01-30-07, 12:05 PM

I know a place where you can get the line before it's chewed over all day or all week. Come to think of it, not much time or thought goes into the lines at this place.

It's called halftime.

Arilou · 01-30-07, 12:11 PM

In a real way, the person who sets the line is whoever is willing to bet the opening lines. The books are setting a baseline to start from, but they're not attached to it at all. If you have a large bankroll and you say -7, then the game is going to be -7 in a few minutes.

chano · 01-30-07, 06:03 PM

The persons name is Michael Roxboro and his lines were known as the "Roxy Line" he is origianlly out of Toronto, Canada. He moved to Vegas in the 80's and took a job with one of the big books. Where he went and/or did after that , I do dont know. He surely was and probably still is one of the best odds makers.