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  • PAULYPOKER
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    Sources: Big Ben suspension coming by Tuesday
    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is expected to suspend Pittsburgh quarterback Big ben on Monday or Tuesday as a result of the recent sexual assault investigation in Milledgeville, Ga., multiple sources have indicated to Yahoo! Sports.
    Though the Ocmulgee Circuit District Attorney announced last Monday that Roethlisberger wouldn’t be charged in the case and no player has ever been suspended under the league’s personal conduct policy without being at least charged with a crime, sources close to the quarterback said he is unlikely to fight the punishment.
    Roethlisberger, who apologized for the negative attention the incident garnered, would prefer to put the matter to rest as quickly as possible, three sources close to him said.


    “Ben understands where this is going and he knows there’s punishment he’ll have to take,” one of the aforementioned sources close to Roethlisberger said. “He knows how much this hurt the team and the league. He wants to make this right.”
    While NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said he has been given no timetable for a decision, the question remains whether Goodell will keep the suspension to one or two games or make it four games or longer. It is also unknown whether the Steelers will levy an additional penalty upon Roethlisberger or if a punishment will be factored into the league’s suspension. Over the weekend, two league sources said Goodell was growing angrier by the day as more information from the investigation became public.
    The investigation has included statements from witnesses in the case that a bodyguard in Roethlisberger’s entourage blocked other people from going to find Roethlisberger and the woman in a bathroom in the bar where the incident took place.
    While the investigation details damaging evidence against the accuser as well and includes a statement by the woman that she didn’t want to press charges against Roethlisberger, it is clear that Roethlisberger is losing in the court of public opinion.
    “After you read the file and you listen to the player, the only conclusion you can come to is that what he did is unbelievably stupid,” one of the league sources said. “How could he have really thought this was a good idea?”
    This is the second straight offseason in which Roethlisberger has faced sexual misconduct allegations. A Nevada casino worker last July accused Roethlisberger of raping her in 2008. No criminal charges were filed in that case and the civil suit, which includes counter damages, is still ongoing.
    The aftermath of the Roethlisberger investigation stands to dampen an eventful week for the NFL. The league will announce the 2010 NFL schedule on Tuesday and the 75th draft begins in prime time on Thursday.
  • PAULYPOKER
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    #2
    I say 2 weeks, what ya think?
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    • Chi_archie
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      • 07-22-08
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      #3
      2 weeks also
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      • ertl09
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        • 12-10-07
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        #4
        I was leaning 2 weeks but then I thought Goodell is a hard ass and will want to make an example of this.

        4 weeks but I hope he gets 8
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        • wantitall4moi
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          #5
          why does it always have to be an even number?
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          • PAULYPOKER
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            #6
            Originally posted by wantitall4moi
            why does it always have to be an even number?
            Because a week has 7 days in it and it wouldn't be fair to have a odd number of weeks
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            • pavyracer
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              • 04-12-07
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              #7
              When you say "Sources" in the thread title what are your sources for this info?
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              • PAULYPOKER
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                #8
                Originally posted by pavyracer
                When you say "Sources" in the thread title what are your sources for this info?
                If you read the article it will point them out
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                • AnotherLoan
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                  • 07-21-08
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                  #9
                  My guess is 6 games.
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                  • Darwin
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                    #10
                    It has to be at least 4 weeks. He has shown to carry a heavy hand with punishments in the past with black players. If he goes softly here he will open himself up to the race issue.
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                    • AnotherLoan
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                      #11
                      I can see 4 games though because I'm sure he wants the Steelers to still have a chance at the playoffs and anything longer than 4 games could put the playoffs in jeapordy.
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                      • PittsburghPlayer
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                        #12
                        As a Steeler fan I am disappointed in Big Ben. Does not even know enough to wear a helmet while riding a motorcyle. What a selfish retard.
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                        • pavyracer
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by PAULYPOKER
                          If you read the article it will point them out
                          All the article says is two league sources. Is that a legitimate source?
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                          • MBENZ
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                            #14
                            Zero,he didn't do anything.
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                            • PAULYPOKER
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                              #15
                              Is any source legit?
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                              • AnotherLoan
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by MBENZ
                                Zero,he didn't do anything.
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                                • PAULYPOKER
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by PittsburghPlayer
                                  As a Steeler fan I am disappointed in Big Ben. Does not even know enough to wear a helmet while riding a motorcyle. What a selfish retard.
                                  I thought your were going to say As a Steeler fan I am disappointed in Big Ben. Does not even know enough to wear a helmet while riding a Teeny Bopper. What a selfish retard.
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                                  • Darwin
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                                    #18
                                    I just googled ¨what sources are legit¨ and 24.4 million things came up in .27 seconds.
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                                    • Scorpion
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                                      #19

                                      Roger Goodell's Slipperly Slope


                                      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                      Clay Travis, an attorney who blogs for AOL Fanhouse, wrote a great piece on the unprecedented action Goodell is about to take by suspending Roethlisberger for any amount of time.

                                      http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/18/nfls-big-mess-s uspend-big-ben-or-not/

                                      I knew how ridiculous the NFL's discipline system was in that Goodell by himself dishes out punishment as he sees fit and then - even more absurd - any appeals by the suspended player go directly to Goodell.

                                      What I did not know, though, was that this practice was never agreed to in the CBA. Gene Upshaw was an idiot, but even Gene was not that dumb. As someone who teaches law at the university level, I would strongly bet an independent arbitrer would find this an unfair labor practice on the part of the commish, who represents the owners.

                                      Big Ben will not fight this ruling, because he wants it to go away from the sport pages ASAP. But as this article points out, the NFLPA should absolutely fight this in court, since it would mark the first time in the history of major pro U.S. team sports where an athlete has been suspended by a league despite never being arrested off the field or violating a specific rule of that league.

                                      When Roger Goodell, a pompous punk and the son of a "moral values" politican, starts regulating morality we may not have an NFL anymore. Cross out a ton of players who have been accused of violence against women, a serious crime no doubt. James Harrison was not suspended and he was actually arrested for this. But should players be suspended just for allegations of domestic violence? Wouldn't those allegations then increase in numbers?

                                      Cross out athletes who have children out of wedlock, a practice condemned by most in society and certainly the morality police. Would Antonio Cromartie be permanently suspended from the NFL?

                                      There are many in society who feel infidelity is immoral, although about 60-70% of married heterosexual males will stray at least once during their marriage. Should any NFL player "alleged" to have an adulterous affair be suspended for tarnishing the league's immage.

                                      While alcohol is legal for those over 21 (unlike the accuser in Georgia), NFL players getting blasted in public can certainly be argued to hurting the league's image. I guess DrunkAthlete.com, which has its own Jeff Reed page, will become a Monday-morning must for the league's office as it doles out punishment.

                                      Again, the notion that Big Ben will be suspended when the police report clearly exonerates him (see my earlier post) of the specific allegations levied by the woman the next day is utterly absurd.

                                      Even more stupid was the Rooneys' caving to the morality police who were quick to convict before any facts came out and media who lynched Ben, and then tied in race, pointing out that only African American players (all of whom had been arrested) had been suspended under their policy. The Rooneys forced Goodell's hand to suspend by guaranting that there will be a suspension.

                                      Well, as a member of a union and someone who believes individuals should not be punished for baseless, vague, and contrived accusations that are dismissed as illegitimate by authorities, I am outraged by the action Goodell is prepared to take and believe the NFLPA should make a stand on this, regardless of Roethlisberger's desire.

                                      Only a fascist could like a sytem where a league commissioner arbitrarily suspends players (which cuts pay and affects their livelihoods and reputation) for what he perceives as immoral conduct; and then any appeals go directly to that same commissioner, who theoretically could then add games to the suspension for challenging his authority.
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                                      • PAULYPOKER
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Darwin
                                        I just googled ¨what sources are legit¨ and 24.4 million things came up in .27 seconds.
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                                        • Scorpion
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                                          #21
                                          Of all the people suspended under the conduct policy, EVERY one has been arrested and either convicted of and pled guilty to a crime. Every one.

                                          A suspension of ben for this (which i'm not saying isn't warranted mind you) sets a precedent. The level of precedent depends upon the length of suspension. That precedent being 'if the league sees a single bad story in the press over your behavior, you risk a suspension'.

                                          If it was one or two games - most people wouldn't blink twice about the precedent portion of things.

                                          Anything beyond that, though, as a player - it should scare the crap out of you. It would essentially say that, if we don't like your behavior, you're in deep trouble.

                                          Anyone bringing race to it is off base. 5 players have been suspended under the policy. Every one was black, it's true. However, they all were arrested and pled guilty to or were convicted of crimes. That's a huge distinction. A distinction everyone arguing racial overtones conveniently ignores.
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                                          • PAULYPOKER
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Scorpion
                                            Of all the people suspended under the conduct policy, EVERY one has been arrested and either convicted of and pled guilty to a crime. Every one. A suspension of ben for this (which i'm not saying isn't warranted mind you) sets a precedent. The level of precedent depends upon the length of suspension. That precedent being 'if the league sees a single bad story in the press over your behavior, you risk a suspension'. If it was one or two games - most people wouldn't blink twice about the precedent portion of things. Anything beyond that, though, as a player - it should scare the crap out of you. It would essentially say that, if we don't like your behavior, you're in deep trouble. Anyone bringing race to it is off base. 5 players have been suspended under the policy. Every one was black, it's true. However, they all were arrested and pled guilty to or were convicted of crimes. That's a huge distinction. A distinction everyone arguing racial overtones conveniently ignores.
                                            Good say I say
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                                            • Scorpion
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                                              #23
                                              If the Players Association gets involved they will win a case against it..no charges means it will be highly difficult to make a suspension stick.
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                                              • PAULYPOKER
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                                                #24
                                                The only trouble with that is who is the majority in the Players Ass.
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                                                • PAULYPOKER
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                                                  #25
                                                  Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger likely to be suspended by Wednesday: sources



                                                  "The issue here is with respect to a pattern of behavior and bad judgments. You do not have to be convicted or even charged with a crime to be able to demonstrate that you violated a personal conduct policy," Goodell said.
                                                  Most people around the NFL seem to expect Roethlisberger will get a suspension handed down jointly by the league and the Steelers, somewhere in the range of two to four games. If that's the length, Roethlisberger is not expected to appeal. Under the Personal Conduct Policy, Goodell has broad powers to impose an even longer suspension for conduct detrimental to the league, if he chooses. He also can suspend players even if they are not facing criminal charges
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                                                  • tblues2005
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                                                    #26
                                                    I don't think this will be announced until after the draft is finished. I expect next week possibly.
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                                                    • PAULYPOKER
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                                                      #27
                                                      I was just ready post something to that nature myself only with a bit of sarcasm
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                                                      • MBENZ
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                                                        #28
                                                        So the NFL decides guilt nowadays,great.
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                                                        • stealthyburrito
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by MBENZ
                                                          So the NFL decides guilt nowadays,great.
                                                          don't be naive, he did something. though what he did wasn't illegal, it was offensive to a lot of people (many of which are NFL fans).

                                                          a multi-billion dollar organization deserves to save face if they must.
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                                                          • brokespoke11
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                                                            #30
                                                            what a ****tard we all hqave done crazy stuff but damn he has to know he is a little bit different than regular people.
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                                                            • MBENZ
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by stealthyburrito
                                                              don't be naive, he did something. though what he did wasn't illegal, it was offensive to a lot of people (many of which are NFL fans).

                                                              a multi-billion dollar organization deserves to save face if they must.
                                                              Whatever,I still believe innocent until proven guilty.Law should be the same for these guys same as it is for the average Joe.
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                                                              • AnotherLoan
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by AnotherLoan
                                                                My guess is 6 games.
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