Originally posted by raiders72001
pier- I always respect your point. I just didn't feel like aggrevating anyone else on Xmas eve. 
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Alright, but I wanna see you back on at 12:01 a.m. 12/26
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Originally posted by SBR_John
Are you really saying that TOW was OK until they were an advertiser of this site ?
Why did you allow a website promoting D-rated books to advertise on your website? Do you really think that all SBR readers, which are now TOW readers as well, would resist to nice promotions offered by these new and unproved books?
I mean...you have your own mods playing there... (BTW, what happened to the No Betting policy?)
The point is not if Roberto is doing OK, but is enforcing your own policy of "No Sportsbook Ads"...
You had for how long six months? maybe one year? an ad for TOW that always accepted "sportsbook ads" and now a day after, maybe two days after, the contract expired you realize that Roberto is covering up for these books?
I have a lot of respect for what Bill does for players, but this must be a joke...or you're responsible for getting players to bet with these new books as much as TOW...
Just my opinion...and Merry Christmas
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SBR mods are exempt from the no betting rule. That rule only applies to office employees.Originally posted by pier0Comment -
and I'm sure they abide by it.SBR mods are exempt from the no betting rule. That rule only applies to office employees.
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What employees? What betting rule? Im confused.Comment -
SBR John decided that SBR employees cannot gamble, although he does himself.Originally posted by natrassComment -
The rule has been defined as SBR management. I dont' want managers that work for SBR to be gamblers for a lot of reasons.SBR John decided that SBR employees cannot gamble, although he does himself.
SBR selling a banner ad to TOW is not at issue.
BetOnStars welcome to the postup world. Next time try straight shooting. I will use Mansion as an example. They had some early problems and there were horrible rumors some even started by your present stable of henchmen. But they over came it all by distancing themself from the paid henchmen and focused on their business. Run a good business and you dont need cover-ups and henchmen.Comment -
Originally posted by SBR_John
now that is true, because i called you out on it about a month ago or so. when texas played oak st. so the rule was revised way back then that i know of but, not sure when it was offically revised though.Comment -
is it me or are there a lot of conspiracy theorists in this forum?...Comment -
Does anyone believe that SBR employees don't gamble. I'll bet that many took the job because they enjoy gambling. This stinks as bad as the rookie project at TOW. No wonder why only the naive trust the <so called> watchdog sites.Comment -
I suppose two most influential SBR members to offshore books, John and Dozer, don't gamble either.
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Originally posted by raiders72001
Who is that one that got the "slow pay" from BOS? Is not a SBR mod?Comment -
raiders, now you know i gamble !!... but, if this rule pertained to me in regards to betting offshore, i'd have no problems abiding by it. but, sense it's not a rule for me theres no need to abide by it.
BTW, i think it's perty safe to say, ILL and looker would as well
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Yeah but you don't need offshore with other types of books. Almost everyone in this business bets. That's how they find out about the site. If I were ever to work for anyone else it would be in the gambling industry.but, if this rule pertained to me in regards to betting offshore,Last edited by raiders72001; 12-26-05, 03:09 AM.Comment -
Were you talking to me?Originally posted by SBR_JohnComment -
Fukking funny :+eyes-8+:Originally posted by Doug
just some old U.S. Marine humor.
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I'm not going to derail this topic by discussing an old one. There are threads here that you can reply to. This player's feedback had many points worth noting and your high-paid defense team chose to make it about the 21 days. Yea, the player was happy, "happy to get the money of there" after his account was frozen and winnings were threatened.The case where the player didn't meet his rollover and we confiscated his bonus, the player was happy with all the money he got, but Bill Dozer had to take in a personal way and post it to make it look we were stiffing the player. Like I stated before if the player is happy we are happy and like I told Bill over the phone, no other sportsbook would have sent him his entire winnings since he never finished the bonus restrictions.
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I'm starting to feel that Bill Dozer or SBR has something against Betonstars!The It's-not-us-it's-SBR defense is nothing new. Sportsbooks who can't make the grade they desire resort to this everyday.I'm getting tired that Bill Dozer is starting to take things in a personal way against Betonstars.
I have spent hours on the phone talking over suggestions back when you folks were on the Bucksports/Changeabet server and before TOW had your banner. We have always been fair with our time and reports and you will always be welcome to call the same number. I hope in the future BetonStars will take responsibility for its own actions and not concentrate on how others interpret mistakes.
Originally posted by Jay88Let's hear the tape. I will upload it and the player has given permission to do so.Originally posted by TOW
The player adamantly states it never happened. BUT, if he was told each day that he would be paid why would he want to even ask go down to ** and then put the money in his bank account and then send it to Neteller?
The player would have taken the money via ** if he know it would have been a 4 days. Jay or Dave can email me the call. I can get the player on a 3-way if need be. Lying to cover it up is a separate issue and I think the book deserves a chance to stand behind its statements. Assistance@sportsbookreview.com.
Player requested his funds Tuesday morning. By BoS rules that is day #1. On Friday night the player called twice and the response both times was "you didn't get it yet?" After I called, Mgr. Peter got on the phone with Neteller to see if they "could help him out" because the check did not clear yet.Originally posted by RPM
That is a good question. Why is Major and Roberto talking about the specific player by name? Major is flinging insults at the player and we all know he uses player information of posters he doesn't like. No one from SBR or the player mentioned the player's posting handle to BetonStars. Unless BoS is giving out full names to 3rd parties, they would not be able to make a connection. Jay?did betonstars give out the players personal information?????????Last edited by Bill Dozer; 12-26-05, 01:46 PM.Comment -
Doug my quote is solid and I always sweat payouts.Comment -
The fact that Major was posting the players personal information is disturbing. How is this possible Jay?
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Cause I gave it to him.
Cry me a ****ing river Baus.
Russ is solid and he knows more than you can imagine. I would lay 100 bucks he knows what you eat in the morning.Comment -
Originally posted by AK
Well, then that explains it. It's nice to know there is a scam artist weasel going around giving out personal information.
This just opens up even more questions. Why does Jay at Betonstars give AK a players personal information? Why does AK need this information? Why does AK give this info to Russ, who has previously banned AK from his forum for being a lying, cheating rat?
This absolutely unacceptable. Betonstars deserves an immediate downgrade. I am disgusted. AK you are true scum.
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I didn't really give him his info. He knows all.
The Major is a good man and is very solid in this industry. I have to agree with him on a daily basis. When is the major wrong? Not very often.
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That's BS. Either you did or you didn't.Originally posted by AK
Major is often wrong, except for the time he kicked your ass off his forum.
Answer this: Why do you have Betonstars clients personal info?
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Bill,
It is useless for me to keep on posting here since it is your own forum and unfortunately you listen to only what you like.
I have never given the player information to anybody and I haven't talked to Russ in some days (AK has no clue who the player is so I don't know where is he getting the information, he doesn't have any betonstars players info), so I have no clue how he got to know who the player is. I'm the first person that disagrees in posting personal information in a public forum. I talked to Roberto about the situation and the only thing he knows is the players public name that he uses in SBR Forum.
I can assure you that the player was offered a free W.U. withdrawal, like everybody else that was requesting a payout higher than $2000. He is not the only player that requested a payout during that week so you can ask for more than one feedback before listening to only one person that happens to be a good friends of yours.
All the managers here have been in the industry for years and we all know the importance of prompt payouts.
True, we use to spend hours on the phone, all of the sudden you stop calling me and you only post what you want even before listening to both sides of the story. Now you call me only after I look for you, you don't have the decency of getting in touch with me before you post in your front page a bunch of bullshit.
Why do I feel that you are taking it personally against betonstars? There are sportsbook closing their doors and stiffing players out there that you and me know about, but you make a sensational story out of betonstars and you are not even talking about shops stiffing players. Even the player that never finished his bonus restrictions and received his money without the bonus told you that you are making sensational stories about us.
Read your forum more often and see all the post about players waiting for a payout for weeks from other books and keep your readers safe from books that are actually stiffing players and not paying them.
We have many players from both SBR and TOW, don't you think that if you have only received one concern is because everybody is happy and is getting paid on time?
I agree with John we did made a mistake by sending the funds from our neteller account before the check cleared, we felt confident that the money would be there in no time, so we moved forward and we started paying advertisers. It was our mistake and we do apologize, at the same time nobody apart from one player had a problem with receiving western union payouts and because of one player, that choose the wait, we are getting all this bad publicity about a supposed slow payouts? It is not fair!
Unfortunately we don't tape customer service calls, we tape only wagering calls. So it is your friends word against mine and the rest of the management. Let me guess, you are going to believe your friend!! So I guess there is nothing we can do about this situation and I can just stay quite and watch how you try to destroy our reputation. I thought we had a great line of communication but it seems that I was the only one feeling it. I left you a message the other day and I'm still waiting for your call. Before you started all of this bullshit and bad publicity I was always backing you up when other members of the industry told me negative things about you, now I'm feeling like you back stabbed me.
I wish you the best for 2006 and hope you had a wonderful Christmas, unfortunately I couldn't even rest for one day thanks to all the wonderful stories that you started.Comment -
It's total bullshit from SBR to do this. I lost much respect for BillOriginally posted by jay88Comment -
Funny stuff- SBR employees don't gamble. BOStars management has been in the business for years but they don't understand the importance of a Neteller payout over other types of payouts. Keep going guys as I'm getting some good laughs out of this.Comment -
Jay,
I have enjoyed speaking with you and David on the phone but it will not influence the reports.
SBR Bill Dozer reports: BetOnStars(SBR rating D+) player waiting since Tuesday morning for $2500 Neteller payout. Player states he was told Neteller was unfunded and that they "are waiting for a check to clear". He was promised his funds on each of the past two days, and is hoping to receive his withdrawal before accounting closes for the holiday.
Again, I hope you will take responsibility for your actions in the future. It will only get harder as you expand on the forums.
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Jay,
has the player been paid now?Comment -
He received his money from last week before Bill posted about it.Comment -
The only reason the player was paid is because Jay was branded with an SBR cattle prod that's now permanently on his ass.Comment -
LOL!!! You are really funny raiders... The player got paid even before SBR got in touch with us.Comment -
For the past few days I have refrained from posting about this subject. I didn't want anyone to ever have the impression, that an SBR mod, tried to use the power of SBR to bully a book into paying me. Thats no at all what happened.
I was a bit upset with Russ for posting my name. For the life of me, I have no idea why he would want to make this personal. ANd I just tired of seeing posts claiming that I was offered a ** payment when that never happened.
Here is what happened. Last SUnday I called and spoke to sharon and requested a 5k neteller payout. SHe informed me that the max daily payout for neteller is just $2500. So I said fine. She then informed me that there were no managers available on sunday (this was around 1:15 pm) to proccess the payout. So i might not get paid until Monday. In the back of my mind I'm thinking, that's odd, no managers on a football sunday.) Monday I get piad. Tuesday I call and request a check for $4900. I'm told the max I could get is $3500 because there is a weekly withdrawal max of $6,000. (same place where it has the $6000 weekly max, also says $3000 daily max, so i'm not sure if its even possible to get a check for 4990 like it says on the withdrawals page.) SO I think to myself, do i take $2500 today, or wait 3 days for a check, but get just a little bit more. I decide to go for the neteller payout. The clerk was very honest, and said our Neteller is dry right now, we're waiting for a check to clear, so we won't be able to proccess the neteller payout until tomoorw (wednesday). Wednesday came, I asked again for the payout, and was told later that day. EVentually later that day became Thursday. When i called Thursday, the clerk was very nice, and told me due to the delay, they wouldn't be charging me for this withdrawal, and I would get paid later. Later cam and went, and Friday morning i called again. This time the person I spoke to seemed suprised "like what?, you hvaen't been paid yet!" And I'm thinking, "ah no, your netelelr is dry, why would you think I've been paid." But I just said no, I never got paid. The perosn comes back and again tells me I'll be paid later. So i ask when, but I'm thinking "i've waited since Tuesday, if you have the money just send it now, if you don't have the moeny just tell me." I'm told I'll be paid at 5.
Now at this point here is what I'm thinking. They never ever said to me, our neteller is dry, maybe its best you just take a check. Never offered me a free ** payment, or even suggested that I simply request a **. (I've been around long enough to know, that if you can't get paid by neteller, and someone offers **, you grab it). As Russ pointed out, ggc's neteller went dry earlier. And when ggc told me I couldn't get neteller 1 week, they offered me an echeck, and I took it. Did NOT happen here. Meanwhile I see Betonstars telling raiders how great they are doing. I see them offering a 30% cahs bonus, withdraw winnings at any time, by far the best bonus offer out there right now, and yet not one person must have deposited money last week. BEcuase if someone had, they would have been able to pay me. But if no one is depositing money, I egan to wonder how many people like me were requesting money. It's not that I thought that i was going to be stiffed by them. But I did wonder if for some accounting reason they were trying to stall the withdrawals until 2006.
So i went to Bill, not to ask for help to get paid, but rather to find out if had recieved any slow pay complaints. I was certianly wondering, howmlong is it going to be before someone else posts that betonstars hasn't been able to pay. By 4:00 friday afternoon there was still no money in neteller. And by 5:00 they still hadn't paid. And if they didn't pay me on Friday, because of the holiday weekend, "this "check" might not clear until Tuesday. It felt like they were stalling. Whereas on TUesday they ahd been very honest with me. It no longer felt like they were dealing honestly with me. And Bill made the decision tpo post the wire.
Now Had I wanted to abuse my position as a mod, I would have called and said, you pay me my balance in full, or we're going to post horrible things about you." I never once identified myself as a mod to them. Bill never said pay or I post. COntrary to what RUss might think, this wasn't about bullying a book into paying. This was about a book making statement in the forum to the effect taht they are doing great, when in fact it appeared that they were having some diffiiculties.
Jay,
What you need to undestand, is taht most people are in the forums, because at one time or anohter they've been stiffed. At one time or anohter we have all heard the "we're waiitng for the check to clear" excuse. And unfortunately, based on past experience like betpanam, and primtimesports, and playthescore. WHen a new books tells you that they are waiting for thier deposit to hit neteller. And it doens't happen within a day or two of when they tell you, that usually means trouble. Betonstars is a new book, even with Roberto's endorsement, players are always going to be nervous with a new book. You made ahuge mistake by depleting your neteller aco**** to pay advertisers who oculd easily have waited an extra week. Your staff made a bigger mistake, by acting like the check was going to clear at any moment when you really didn't know when it would clear.
But Jay, the biigest mistake you made was lying about your offer to pay me by **. That never happened. Maybe you offered other players to pay the by **, but that offer was never made to me. You didn't even have to offer me **. Fi you had simply told me on TUesday or Wednesday "hey, the check hasn't cleared yet, would you mind just taking the check", I would have said ok.
I'm not out to destroy you. I would love to see your book succeed. I certainly have no desire to hurt Roberto's rookie project. I think for some players and some of those books the rookie project has worked out really well. But I think Betonstars is making a lot of rookie mistakes. ANd you have to realize, that if you're going to promote your book in the forums, your going to get a lopt more scrutiny than the boosk who aren't active iin the forums.
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That is what I was asking to Jay...Originally posted by marc
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Marc,
I have nothing personal against you, it seems really weird to me what you are saying about no manager on a sunday, since there is always a manager available at any time at any day. It might have been a momentary thing, maybe he was in the bathroom or having lunch.
You asked Bill if he had any slow payouts reports from betonstars, did he have any? I'm sure he didn't and he will never have. Last week our neteller got dry while the check was clearing, true our mistake and our fault.
Everybody asking for a withdrawal over $2000 last week was offered a free W.U., I can assure you of that and I don't want to accuse you of anything but it seems really weird to me that you werent't offered one.
I'm not saying that we are an A+ book, cause we still aren't, but what makes me mad is that Bill is making us look like scammers when we are not. We are honest and we have been honest all the way. Because of Bill many customers have lost the trust they had before and it is unfair, everybody has been paid in full.
How come we made the front page of SBR and other books that are stiffing players only get to the forum? Does that seem fair to you?
Anyway, the important thing to me is that you got paid...Comment
