Torii Hunter calls black Dominicans African-american impostors

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  • stealthyburrito
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    • 05-12-09
    • 21562

    #1
    Torii Hunter calls black Dominicans African-american impostors
    Torii Hunter's candid comments in the third installment of USA TODAY's roundtable discussion on improving baseball stirred a mini-debate Tuesday, with Hunter prompted to explain his comments to reporters and White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen joining the fray.
    Torii Hunter makes a point to agent Scott Boras during USA TODAY's roundtable discussion on improving baseball.


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    By Jason M. Millstein, for USA TODAY





    Hunter's comments that received considerable play in our online community and elsewhere in the blogosphere came during a four-hour session with seven other baseball figures in a round-table session at an Arizona restaurant. Here's the meat of what's been dissected today:
    "People see dark faces out there, and the perception is that they're African American. They're not us. They're impostors.
    "Even people I know come up and say, 'Hey, what color is Vladimir Guerrero? Is he a black player?' I say, 'Come on, he's Dominican. He's not black.' "
    Hunter was approached by news reporters from the Orange County Register and Los Angeles Times at Tempe Diablo Stadium on Wednesday and expressed his disappointment that his comments were interpreted in an inflammatory fashion. He also vowed not to apologize
    "How do you take a negative out of a positive story? Something so positive that I've done my research on (the declining numbers of African-Americans in baseball), something I've helped so many kids — not just African-American kids, kids in need, just kids period — and somebody can take one negative out of a positive story and make a big mess out of it.
    "I'm not going to sit here and plead my case and say, 'Oh, I'm not a racist' and beg. I'm not begging to anybody and explaining why I'm not a racist. Forget you. You can think what you want. I do great things. I'm not going to sit here like somebody who's guilty and apologize because I'm not guilty of nothing. It's not really the writers fault. It's all the bloggers that take that one little word and run with it and then it blows up."
    Venezuelan native, White Sox manager and noted opinion-maker Ozzie Guillen weighed in later, making light of some of Hunter's comments but also noting that he realizes what Hunter was trying to say.
    Said Guillen to the Associated Press:
    "To me it was a funny context. I know what he wanted to say, what he meant to say. But like I say, we look for talent and the talent's out there. You look around and when you go to any place in Latin America there's a lot out there."
    Guillen also noted that the White Sox's first-round pick in 2009 (Jared Mitchell) is African American, and that athletes from Latin America don't have the options African American athletes enjoy.
    "I was laughing because when he said 'they go there and sign for potato chips,' I said 'Well, we've got (Aroldis) Chapman (Cincinnati Reds) , they gave him ($30 million). We've got Viciedo (Dayan, White Sox prospect). They gave him $10 million. I remember in my time, one scouts goes, 30 players show up (in Venezuela). Now 30 scouts go there and one player shows up. In our country, we play baseball. That's no choice. Here you can play basketball, you can be another athlete, you can do so many things when you have the opportunity. And that's why there's not many (African American) players out there. That's the reason I think Major League Baseball opened the RBI (Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities) thing, to show more underprivileged kids how to play the game."
    Conveniently enough, the Angels played the Reds on Wednesday in Tempe. Cincinnati manager Dusty Baker also served on USA TODAY's eight-person panel, and while he does not recall the context in which Hunter's comments came, he says Hunter by no means is racist.
    "I was there that night but I left before that subject came up – or if it came up, I don't remember it," Baker said. "Torii's probably one of the most respected guys in the game, by all races. I hope he's making light of this situation. It either came out wrong or was interpreted wrong. I know Torii well. I know he has a lot of Latin American friends too. You hate to see any division of races in baseball or in this world we live in – especially when Torii is one of the guys who brings people together. ... Like everything else, this too shall pass."
  • DrStale
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 12-07-08
    • 9692

    #2
    Another incredibly overblown non-story because he used the wrong word.
    Originally posted by Dark Horse
    If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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    • Fishhead
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-11-05
      • 40179

      #3
      I would say Tori is spot on................and by the way, it's perfectly fine what he said.
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      • jagaf22
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        • 01-22-08
        • 2932

        #4
        Exactly...let it go Tori Hunter is the consummate professional
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        • whatsgood5
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          • 10-13-09
          • 15359

          #5
          I can't stand shit like this, Vladdy sure as hell is black. He's not African-American, but he's black.

          That's why I don't call any random black person I see "African-American", I call 'em "black", b/c who knows where the he/she is from?
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          • statnerds
            SBR MVP
            • 09-23-09
            • 4047

            #6
            just proves the point that if you put a mic in front of someone long enough he/she will say something stupid. overblown? yes.

            regardless if it was racist or not, Hunter, nor just about any other human being, should be judged based on one statement. unless of course that statement reflects their overall beliefs.
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            • Irish Lumberjack
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              • 12-04-07
              • 2086

              #7
              non issue for me
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              • teaserpleaser
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                • 08-14-08
                • 26015

                #8
                Originally posted by whatsgood5
                I can't stand shit like this, Vladdy sure as hell is black. He's not African-American, but he's black.

                That's why I don't call any random black person I see "African-American", I call 'em "black", b/c who knows where the he/she is from?
                what he said is true though i dont care how black the skin alot would say they are Latino not black.
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                • pavyracer
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 04-12-07
                  • 82880

                  #9
                  So white players from Canada or Australia are also imposters? I'm not getting this. Has Toriiiiiii Hunter lost his mind?
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                  • Scorpion
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 09-04-05
                    • 7797

                    #10
                    Tori Hunter is STOOOPID and a ****ing racist!
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                    • talnted
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                      • 02-11-09
                      • 1664

                      #11
                      tori hunter is an idiot
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                      • minet123
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                        • 02-17-07
                        • 10280

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Fishhead
                        I would say Tori is spot on................and by the way, it's perfectly fine what he said.
                        Fishy gets it right again
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                        • stealthyburrito
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                          • 05-12-09
                          • 21562

                          #13
                          Dont think he's racist, just came out kinda bad
                          the bad thing for him is how will his teammates take this? lotta dominicans and other black south americans on the Angels
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                          • Naz18
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                            • 09-10-09
                            • 4277

                            #14
                            Originally posted by teaserpleaser
                            what he said is true though i dont care how black the skin alot would say they are Latino not black.
                            They are latino just like Tori Hunter is American....
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                            • Scorpion
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                              • 09-04-05
                              • 7797

                              #15
                              If a white player says what Hunter said what do u think the commis will do?
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                              • 3PtShooter
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                                • 04-13-08
                                • 3936

                                #16
                                another black racist,,,getting so old
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                                • whatsgood5
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                                  • 10-13-09
                                  • 15359

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by teaserpleaser
                                  what he said is true though i dont care how black the skin alot would say they are Latino not black.
                                  This guy took my response...

                                  Originally posted by Naz18
                                  They are latino just like Tori Hunter is American....
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                                  • Willie Bee
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                                    • 02-14-06
                                    • 15726

                                    #18
                                    Don't really care what Torii Hunter says, only concerned with how he hits and fields. However, what Torii and too many others can't seem to process these days is it was a 'color barrier,' not a 'geographical barrier.' When you hear about Jackie Robinson breaking the 'color barrier,' that's exactly what it means, not to be confused with what it has become to mean.
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                                    • stealthyburrito
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                                      • 05-12-09
                                      • 21562

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Willie Bee
                                      what Torii and too many others can't seem to process these days is it was a 'color barrier,' not a 'geographical barrier.' When you hear about Jackie Robinson breaking the 'color barrier,' that's exactly what it means, not to be confused with what it has become to mean.
                                      I wonder if Torii even knows why there are so many blacks in the Dominicans, Haiti, and the Caribbean in general. He prolly doesn't know that Africans were shipped there to be sold into slavery
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                                      • Stealinhome
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 10-23-09
                                        • 977

                                        #20
                                        Tori is right on! I am done with all the fake blacks from now on I only want to see real black people! Just not in Chicago!
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                                        • Jericholic
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                                          • 02-15-10
                                          • 3099

                                          #21
                                          I was able to watch Torii and listen to his interviews for almost 10 years in Minnesota and if there is one thing that I learned to love about him was his candor. However, he has always had a habit of not finding the right way to get his point across and this is just another example of that. To steal a phrase, "it's just Torii being Torii."
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                                          • DrStale
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 12-07-08
                                            • 9692

                                            #22
                                            Christ people, did you even read the story? Anyone who thinks he's racist is completely clueless. He's making a logical point about how much easier it is for teams to recruit from Central America than from the US. Baseball players coming from the Dominican Republic will do anything to get a shot in the Majors including participating in poor, dirty "camps" run by major league teams where they assess talent. It costs way less to find and grow talent down there. Check out the story of Alexis Quiroz in the book "Stealing Lives" before you go off half-cocked.

                                            The only stupid thing he did was use the word "imposters." Guy needs a thesaurus not a verbal assault against him.
                                            Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                            If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                                            • lyon804
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 11-02-09
                                              • 6526

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Fishhead
                                              I would say Tori is spot on................and by the way, it's perfectly fine what he said.

                                              Are you serious??

                                              Originally posted by DrStale
                                              Christ people, did you even read the story? Anyone who thinks he's racist is completely clueless. He's making a logical point about how much easier it is for teams to recruit from Central America than from the US. Baseball players coming from the Dominican Republic will do anything to get a shot in the Majors including participating in poor, dirty "camps" run by major league teams where they assess talent. It costs way less to find and grow talent down there. Check out the story of Alexis Quiroz in the book "Stealing Lives" before you go off half-cocked.

                                              The only stupid thing he did was use the word "imposters." Guy needs a thesaurus not a verbal assault against him.


                                              Yes, I read the story. It is apparent that the majority of the people in this thread are cluless when it comes to baseball and the majority of you have never even played the game at a high level. What Tori Hunter said was completely ignorant and I don't care about the PC implications of it. The reason black players don't exist in the major leagues like they once did has nothing to do with race or finances. Black Americans do not play baseball. I played the game at a high level and traveled all over the United States playing baseball. In my time I went to some of the best camps both pro and college and in that time I seen very few black ballplayers. Blacks choose not to paly baseball because the sport is to boring for them and they feel like it's more of a uncle tom's game. Baseball, unlike Football and Basketball you cannot survive on natural talent. It is a craft that must be worked on dilligently and patiently to develop. While speed and agility is impressive it means very little in baseball if you cannot do the skilled stuff like hit. "I have never seen someone steal First Base"


                                              In all my time I saw a few exceptional black baseball players and they were all drafted or got at least a college scholarship. Baseball has not turned there back on black American's. Blacks have turned there back on Baseball. Blacks are tremendous athletes and nobody can argue that. They choose football and basketball. Also, a reason they choose those sports due to finances. A inner city young black man can get a full ride in basketball or football if he is good, but there are very few full ride baseball scholarships.

                                              My local team, the Atlanta Braves has an exceptional talent that is black on there team... Jason Heyward is a young black man that not only had the talent, but had the work ethic and got huge money out of high school to play baseball and in 3 yrs he is gonna make it to the show. Nobody, was discrimminating against him. The kid is full of talent and "worked" at it. The Tampa Bay Rays have an exceptional young black man in there camp from my home town named Desmond Jennings.. He was voted AA Southern League MVP last year and will be on the big leagues sooner rather than later.


                                              Bottomline... Tori Hunter stuck his foot in his mouth and you people bought it. It cannot be furthur from the truth. MLB, is not recruiting race, or nationalities. It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is if you can play they will find you. Latino's are extrememly talented and they work there ass off for what they get. They don't have it as good as American's and the only way to leave the island is to hit your way off of it. The latino's love baseball and from the time they are old enough to play they are working on it while young blacks in America are shooting hoops. Blacks are good at basketball because they work at it and Latino's are good at baseball because they work at it.

                                              Once upon a time Tori Hunters comments were true.. MLB wanted latino's because they were a bargain... Have any of you people see how much money latino's get now?? They sign huge contracts for millions of dollars and some are only 16 yrs old when they sign them... Albert Pujhols is Latino and how much money does he make??? Scounting internationally has become so competetive and so advanced there is no bargain getting those players anymore. They sign them becasue they are the best. Once upon a time only a few teams scouted international talent and there was so much talent the teams could low ball a player, but now with so many teams competing for a players service it is a bidding war to get the best talent.


                                              Damn, it neve seems to amaze me what people will say that have absolutely no clue on the subject they are speaking of.
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                                              • chaseman
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                                                • 01-06-09
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                                                #24
                                                Hahahahahaha this is comedy. Come on, everybody lighten up.
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                                                • nitty48
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                                                  • 02-05-10
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                                                  #25
                                                  'Hey, what color is Vladimir Guerrero? Is he a black player?' I say, 'Come on, he's Dominican. He's not black.' "......
                                                  and Torii is an American not black.
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                                                  • Willie Bee
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                                                    • 02-14-06
                                                    • 15726

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DrStale
                                                    The only stupid thing he did was use the word "imposters." Guy needs a thesaurus not a verbal assault against him.
                                                    Right on, Doctor
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                                                    • scarp
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 01-12-10
                                                      • 697

                                                      #27
                                                      Youd think he would know by now that anything you say that can viewed racist, will be all over the media
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                                                      • Rainman328
                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                        • 02-01-10
                                                        • 192

                                                        #28
                                                        just because something is said about race, doesn't at all make it racist, and i'm sick and tired of the media making it that way.

                                                        having said that, i absolutely hate black people.

                                                        dahhhhh
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                                                        • Rainman328
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 02-01-10
                                                          • 192

                                                          #29
                                                          by the way (for all you dimmer people), there was not the slightest bit of seriousness in my second statement above. its called a sense of humor, and i have one, even towards race issues!
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                                                          • lyon804
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 11-02-09
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                                                            #30
                                                            Regardless if this was a race issue to some are not is not the point. Tori Hunter said a very ignorant thing. He made it out that latino's were giving the chance to play over blacks because they were cheaper alternatives, not better and so MLB could fill quoatas.

                                                            Nothing could be furthur from the truth.
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