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  • pico
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    • 04-05-07
    • 27321

    #1
    OT: Bin Ladin
    Bin Laden urges Americans to convert By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer
    12 minutes ago



    CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden appeared for the first time in three years in a video Friday released ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, telling Americans they should convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end.

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    The 30-minute video was obtained by the SITE Institute, a Washington-based group that monitors terror messages. American officials said the U.S. government had obtained a copy earlier and intelligence agencies were studying the video to determine whether it was authentic.

    In the video, which was broadcast to the Arab world by Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden sits as he talks, wearing a white robe and turban and beige cloak seated behind a table while reading an address to the American people from papers in front of him.

    His trimmed beard is shorter than in his last video, in 2004, and is fully black — apparently dyed, since in past videos it was mostly gray. He speaks softly, as he usually does, and has dark bags under his eyes but appears healthy.

    The footage gives a rare look at the al-Qaida leader, who has likely avoided appearing in videos as a security measure. His emergence comes at a time when terrorism experts believe his terror network is regrouping in the lawless Pakistan-Afghanistan border region.

    Bin Laden makes no overt threats and does not directly call for attacks, according to the transcript, which was first posted on ABC's Web site.

    Instead, he addresses Americans, lecturing them on the failures of their leaders to stop the war in Iraq despite growing public opposition in the U.S.

    "There are two solutions to stopping it. One is from our side, and it is to escalate the fighting and killing against you. This is our duty, and our brothers are carrying it out," bin Laden said.

    "The second solution is from your side," he said. "I invite you to embrace Islam."

    "It will also achieve your desire to stop the war as a consequence, because as soon as the warmongering owners of the major corporations realize that you have lost confidence in your democratic system and have begun to look for an alternative, and this alternative is Islam, they will run after you to please you and achieve what you want to steer you away from Islam," he said.

    He derides President Bush, saying the American leader is backing Shiites against Sunnis in Iraq. But, bin Laden said, events in Iraq have gotten "out of control" and Bush is "like the one who plows and sows the sea: He harvests nothing but failure."

    Bin Laden said the prestige of mujahedeen — Islamic holy warriors — has "grown globally" while America has been "bled dry economically."

    The video appeared to have been recently made, since bin Laden refers to the Democratic Party's congressional victory in last fall's election and to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who was elected in May.

    The transcript also praises the American political activist and author Noam Chomsky, mentions global warming and refers to the Aug. 6 anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima during World War II.

    Al-Qaida annually uses the anniversary of the Sept. 11 suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as a propaganda opportunity, issuing videotapes to rally supporters and mock the United States.

    But the appearance of bin Laden this year makes a bigger splash. The al-Qaida leader had not appeared in new video footage since October 2004, and he had not put out an audiotape in more than a year, his longest period without a message.

    Seth Jones, a terrorism expert at the RAND think tank, said that while the anniversary gives the pretext for the tape, it also comes at a time when the main al-Qaida leadership has managed to regroup.

    "There clearly has been a resurgence of core al-Qaida in the tribal areas of Pakistan" along the frontier with Afghanistan since 2005, Jones said.

    He said sympathy in that region for the Taliban has made it "more conducive to militant Sunni groups, including al-Qaida."

    "It's really created a sanctuary," Jones said.

    Rita Katz, director of the SITE Institute, said she believes "strongly that al-Qaida has regrouped" but that their headquarters are more diffuse than they used to be, comprising several training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    She said it was likely that bin Laden is hidden in a more secure location, away from any of those sites.

    The United States intercepted the video before it was released on Islamic Web sites where al-Qaida usually posts its messages, a U.S. counterterrorism official said in Washington. U.S. officials had analyzed the video for hours before transcripts and videos were leaked, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

    The official said analysts were studying bin Laden's physical characteristics — for clues about his health after unconfirmed rumors earlier this year that he had died of kidney disease.

    White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto declined to comment on the video until it had been fully analyzed, except to say it was a reminder of the continuing terrorist threat.

    "This is why we need to be more vigilant and more persistent in our pursuit of terrorists," Fratto said. "We will continue to pursue them. And it reminds us that we need to be certain that our intelligence professionals have all the tools they need to continue to disrupt their activities."

    The Homeland Security Department said it had no credible information warning of an imminent threat to the United States.

    Soon after word emerged that the United States had the video, Islamic militant Web sites that usually carry statements from al-Qaida went down and were inaccessible. The reason for the shutdown was not immediately known.

    Evan H. Kohlmann, a terrorism expert at globalterroralert.com, said he suspected it was the work of al-Qaida itself, trying to find how the video leaked to U.S. officials.

    "For them this is totally disruptive that the U.S. government could have a copy before their targeted audience does," he said. "They could be concerned and trying to plug the leak quickly."
  • BatemanPatrickl
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 06-21-07
    • 18772

    #2
    That guy needs to die already.
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    • pico
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 04-05-07
      • 27321

      #3
      well, you gotta catch him first.
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      • BatemanPatrickl
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 06-21-07
        • 18772

        #4
        Originally posted by picoman
        well, you gotta catch him first.
        You can't catch him; his guards will kill him and commit suicide if anyone gets too close. This only came close to happening once and right now the US has no clue where he is.
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        • jjgold
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-20-05
          • 388179

          #5
          If Israel would mind their own business there would be no violence
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          • compaqDikk
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 10-08-05
            • 5699

            #6
            Originally posted by jjgold
            If Israel would mind their own business there would be no violence
            are you posting during preGame from the sidelines? what do the locals have you favored at tonight. team dinner?
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            • Willie Bee
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-14-06
              • 15726

              #7
              JJ, you are one talented mofo, texting while you're leading a high school football team to victory. Rah. Rah.

              On the original subject, I have been seriously giving thoughts to converting, and I've decided to go ahead with it. I denounce my heterosexuality and am converting to lesbianism.
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              • compaqDikk
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 10-08-05
                • 5699

                #8
                Originally posted by Willie Bee
                JJ, you are one talented mofo, texting while you're leading a high school football team to victory. Rah. Rah.

                On the original subject, I have been seriously giving thoughts to converting, and I've decided to go ahead with it. I denounce my heterosexuality and am converting to lesbianism.
                kicked off 5 minutes ago. 7.11 EST kickoff (deal with 7-11 chain)
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                • Scorpion
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 09-04-05
                  • 7797

                  #9
                  BL is a bogus character, a product of the CIA and the US government!

                  BL is a dumbass millionaire who is probably held in a government building in DC!
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                  • compaqDikk
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 10-08-05
                    • 5699

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Scorpion
                    BL is a bogus character, a product of the CIA and the US government!

                    BL is a dumbass millionaire who is probably held in a government building in DC!
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                    • HAPPY BOY
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 08-10-05
                      • 7109

                      #11
                      Fvck that spinach chin. that dude is a lost soul. He is desperate and if he is still alive, the motherfvcker is probably living in a cave while Americans are ordering Domino's and watching the Sunday DTV package.
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                      • BuddyBear
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-10-05
                        • 7233

                        #12
                        Originally posted by HAPPY BOY
                        Fvck that spinach chin. that dude is a lost soul. He is desperate and if he is still alive, the motherfvcker is probably living in a cave while Americans are ordering Domino's and watching the Sunday DTV package.
                        I would say the opposite. It's Bin Laden who looks sharp and it's the U.S. government who look like the squares.

                        I wouldn't be surprised if he is on the U.S. payroll. The U.S. needs an execuse to keep their presence in the Middle East and Bin Laden is the perfect pretext.
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                        • Tevez
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 06-21-07
                          • 131

                          #13
                          It's all about bucks. The rest is conversation.
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                          • fearless
                            Restricted User
                            • 08-14-06
                            • 4950

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BuddyBear
                            I would say the opposite. It's Bin Laden who looks sharp and it's the U.S. government who look like the squares.

                            I wouldn't be surprised if he is on the U.S. payroll. The U.S. needs an execuse to keep their presence in the Middle East and Bin Laden is the perfect pretext.
                            He's a real life Emanuel Goldstein... of course, he's probably not even alive: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html
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                            • ShamsWoof10
                              SBR MVP
                              • 11-15-06
                              • 4827

                              #15
                              Originally posted by HAPPY BOY
                              Fvck that spinach chin. that dude is a lost soul. He is desperate and if he is still alive, the motherfvcker is probably living in a cave while Americans are ordering Domino's and watching the Sunday DTV package.
                              SOMETIME YOU FEEL LIKE A NUT!!!!

                              Originally posted by Scorpion
                              BL is a bogus character, a product of the CIA and the US government!
                              SOMETIMES YOU DON'T!!!

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                              • ritehook
                                SBR MVP
                                • 08-12-06
                                • 2244

                                #16
                                What was deleted from the Bin Ladin tape was the following quote, which is nonetheless available in the unedited version of his speech, whch can be seen on AQ websites:

                                "I am all over Troy on Saturday, vs a weaker Florida team. I have a great love for the big underdog."

                                Followers of Bin Ladin are searching the Koran for scriptural verification of getting down big on Troy.
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                                • BatemanPatrickl
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 06-21-07
                                  • 18772

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                  I would say the opposite. It's Bin Laden who looks sharp and it's the U.S. government who look like the squares.

                                  I wouldn't be surprised if he is on the U.S. payroll. The U.S. needs an execuse to keep their presence in the Middle East and Bin Laden is the perfect pretext.
                                  On the US payroll...hmmm...that makes sense. What you don't realize is the US gov and the President don't NEED any excuse to be in the Middle East; they can do what they want and always do. Sometimes it really is as simple as Black and White.
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                                  • louisvillekid
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 08-14-07
                                    • 9262

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                    If Israel would mind their own business there would be no violence
                                    that whole region hates the jews, thats why there is constant violence, they don't except the jewish state, never have never will.
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                                    • HAPPY BOY
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 08-10-05
                                      • 7109

                                      #19
                                      Hey Lois, love the pin-head avitar from Freaks, classic movie. did u see it??
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                                      • ShamsWoof10
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-15-06
                                        • 4827

                                        #20
                                        This last video tape is such a fraud... Why would a guy living in a cave feel the need to die his beard ? They don't believe in doing that too boot... The CIA really does need to pay more attention to detail... They actually might be more over rated then Michigan was... They can't forge video tapes to save their life... The Nick Berg tape was an even WORSE try.... He gets his head cut off while he is a live and NO BLOOD comes squirting out as if the main artery isn't right there... Sh*t when you cut yourself in certain areas blood comes pouring out but not when you cut a whole head off I guess...

                                        Happy Hoax Day!!!

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