Why do the Credit Wagering Stiffs get a free pass here on SBR ?

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  • nobs
    Restricted User
    • 08-31-09
    • 4216

    #1
    Why do the Credit Wagering Stiffs get a free pass here on SBR ?
    I am just wondering, gamblers are supposed to have this sort of "gamblers integrity" where one of the worst things you can do is bail on your gambling debt.

    I remember over the years there have been a lot of well known posters who were virtually flushed down the toilet instantly when it became known that they were reneging on their gambling debts. McIrish is the most well known story, but there have been many.

    This very site started out really as a site that was supposed to be about outing all the scam books that didnt pay. So I am just wondering, why have the posters on this board that screwed Credit wagering been given nearly a free pass by the board ?

    Now, I know I am going to be called a Credit Wagering shill for this, so I put that next to my name. I know I will also be accused of being one of the owners of CW. If you believe that then you can just send me $200 cash and your CW debt is clear.

    I know that the owners of CW are to a great extent at fault. They should have known that this would happen. Perhaps that were nieve enough to believe that most gamblers would honor their gambling debt. Perhaps, they were just stupid. Fact is that their stupidity or nievity (sp) does not excuse a gambler taking a shot then walking away. To me, that is as bad an excuse as McIrish saying he wasnt paying because Dave called him at 6 AM.

    Im not going to try to condone CW's threatening of a posters mom ( if that really happened ), and I am sure they have done other things wrong. But the fact is that CW has paid its players and continues to pay its players while it is probably being stiffed by 98% of the players who lose.

    I am just saying, there have been a lot of posters on this board crying about being stiffed out of SBR points, and the so called "point stiffs" get more crap for stiffing then posters who admittedly owe and refuse to pay CW. There are over 700 faces on the stiff pages at CW, so I am guessing they have over 1000 non paying players and are thus owed over $1,000,000 a million dollars.

    Do we really expect them not to be a little pissed, not to make some calls trying to collect ? I have to believe that most posters on this board would be furious if they got stiffed for $500, in fact I have seen it thousands of times on the forums. Yet we seem to expect CW to just eat the million dollars and there seems to be very little negative responses to those who have admittedly taken a shot at CW.
  • The Seer
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 10-29-07
    • 10641

    #2
    Nobs, I've never understood why it is so cool to brag about stiffing creditwagering? a stiff is a stiff.
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    • Tsoprano
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 04-14-08
      • 26374

      #3
      You are right, stiffing is wrong regardless of it it is creditwagering or not. Especially since they pay their players.

      You make it seem though that 98% of the losers stiff them and they were no naive and stupid with this approach, but you do not know the behind the scenes there. I bet they built a very reputable book of legit gamblers even with the shots they have taken. Remember the regular stiffs didn't get any money from them so no investment was lost there. If the stiffing percentages were as you are making it seem, i'm sure they would of stopped a long time ago or started scamming everyone. That isn't the case though.

      You're overall point is correct though, I don't see why they are marked as someone who deserves to be stiffed.... even if their business approach might seem shady.
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      • pavyracer
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 04-12-07
        • 82884

        #4
        SBR John made a post the other day indicating all stiffs are welcomed and posters who harass stiffs will have the posts moved to the private zone immediately. This place is a safe haven for stiffs.
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        • nobs
          Restricted User
          • 08-31-09
          • 4216

          #5
          Yeah I am surprised that most of the board seems to be OK with it. I think it says a lot for CW that they are still paying out when they are owed in the neighborhood of $1,000,000. I am not saying its OK to threaten someones mom, but If I was owed $1,000,000 I am pretty sure I would be a little pissed
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          • Tsoprano
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 04-14-08
            • 26374

            #6
            Sorry for some typos, ****ing can't even edit posts anymore I am blocked from editing.
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            • BatemanPatrickl
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 06-21-07
              • 18772

              #7
              Originally posted by Tsoprano
              You are right, stiffing is wrong regardless of it it is creditwagering or not. Especially since they pay their players.

              You make it seem though that 98% of the losers stiff them and they were no naive and stupid with this approach, but you do not know the behind the scenes there. I bet they built a very reputable book of legit gamblers even with the shots they have taken. Remember the regular stiffs didn't get any money from them so no investment was lost there. If the stiffing percentages were as you are making it seem, i'm sure they would of stopped a long time ago or started scamming everyone. That isn't the case though.

              You're overall point is correct though, I don't see why they are marked as someone who deserves to be stiffed.... even if their business approach might seem shady.
              Coming from a stiff this is hilarious
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              • sharpcat
                Restricted User
                • 12-19-09
                • 4516

                #8
                Well said NOBS,

                The mods here should automatically ban both point stiffs who continue to play in the sports book and posters who admit to stiffing any book.

                The its their fault/ they were stupid crap is a joke it can easily be said that we are all stupid for giving credit to the overseas books. Does that make it okay for the books to stiff us?
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                • wtf
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 08-22-08
                  • 12983

                  #9
                  we need j e t s to weigh in on this issue
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                  • nobs
                    Restricted User
                    • 08-31-09
                    • 4216

                    #10
                    Tsoprano,

                    I dont know what the percentage is, and I guess they must be collecting from some players since they are able to pay out. I am sure that 98% is probably a very high estimate but still the number has to be very high as this type of setup is going to attract the shot takers.
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                    • The Seer
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 10-29-07
                      • 10641

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pavyracer
                      SBR John made a post the other day indicating all stiffs are welcomed and posters who harass stiffs will have the posts moved to the private zone immediately. This place is a safe haven for stiffs.
                      it did sound that way
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                      • sharpcat
                        Restricted User
                        • 12-19-09
                        • 4516

                        #12
                        Originally posted by wtf
                        we need j e t s to weigh in on this issue
                        J E T S was banned from SBR.
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                        • obamaismyuncle
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 12-31-08
                          • 17801

                          #13
                          Originally posted by wtf
                          we need j e t s to weigh in on this issue
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                          • Richkas
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 02-03-08
                            • 19396

                            #14
                            I owe 8k to the government and 1k to CW. Who should I pay first. Let me see. Who can make my life more miserable.
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                            • THEGREAT30
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 10-04-08
                              • 8970

                              #15
                              go away with this crap how many times has it been discussed? good day.
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                              • nobs
                                Restricted User
                                • 08-31-09
                                • 4216

                                #16
                                Thegreat you are a boring little child
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                                • diamond
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 02-09-06
                                  • 3636

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Richkas
                                  I owe 8k to the government and 1k to CW. Who should I pay first. Let me see. Who can make my life more miserable.
                                  CW
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                                  • sharpcat
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 12-19-09
                                    • 4516

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by THEGREAT30
                                    go away with this crap how many times has it been discussed? good day.
                                    less than pecos bills insecurities!!!!!!
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                                    • pavyracer
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 04-12-07
                                      • 82884

                                      #19
                                      There are hundreds of books. 99% are post up and 1% are credit books. 99% of the credit books have problems collecting debts. I wonder why?
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                                      • sharpcat
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 12-19-09
                                        • 4516

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by pavyracer
                                        There are hundreds of books. 99% are post up and 1% are credit books. 99% of the credit books have problems collecting debts. I wonder why?
                                        So 99% of us players should be getting stiffed by books?
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                                        • xxloopholexx
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 12-24-09
                                          • 276

                                          #21
                                          why cant SRB ban the members from using the book and posting on the form? Or... if they earn points, they go right to the lender! well, folks who stiff on a point loan... think how they are in real life...lol..
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                                          • eyeball
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 08-14-07
                                            • 988

                                            #22
                                            iTS ALL VERY SIMPLE cw DOESNT ADVERTISE!
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                                            • j-e-t-s jets
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 08-09-08
                                              • 346

                                              #23
                                              I see all the CW shills are talking to themselves again.................must be great for Ben to log in: post one msg-log out.........wait a few minutes- log in under sharppussy- make a comment........log out- log in under a different name............etc


                                              March 24th will be here soon. Not worth any more comments.

                                              Sharpcat- I was banned from SBR until they realized my information was correct...................go to the dentist and stuff before March 24th.

                                              How's your international collection agency making out??

                                              FOOLS
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                                              • tatommack
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 10-10-08
                                                • 4171

                                                #24
                                                They can get my money from betus
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                                                • MastaB
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 11-08-08
                                                  • 2604

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by j-e-t-s jets
                                                  I see all the CW shills are talking to themselves again.................must be great for Ben to log in: post one msg-log out.........wait a few minutes- log in under sharppussy- make a comment........log out- log in under a different name............etc


                                                  March 24th will be here soon. Not worth any more comments.

                                                  Sharpcat- I was banned from SBR until they realized my information was correct...................go to the dentist and stuff before March 24th.

                                                  How's your international collection agency making out??

                                                  FOOLS
                                                  Who from SBR confirmed that your info was correct?
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                                                  • ttwarrior1
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 06-23-09
                                                    • 28468

                                                    #26
                                                    too bad i don't work for them, some people in here would have a knock on their door and a broken leg
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                                                    • Grandmaster B
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 09-05-09
                                                      • 6035

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by j-e-t-s jets
                                                      I see all the CW shills are talking to themselves again.................must be great for Ben to log in: post one msg-log out.........wait a few minutes- log in under sharppussy- make a comment........log out- log in under a different name............etc


                                                      March 24th will be here soon. Not worth any more comments.

                                                      Sharpcat- I was banned from SBR until they realized my information was correct...................go to the dentist and stuff before March 24th.

                                                      How's your international collection agency making out??

                                                      FOOLS
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                                                      • THEGREAT30
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 10-04-08
                                                        • 8970

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by tatommack
                                                        They can get my money from betus
                                                        WTF? that's kinda wild, good day
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                                                        • MastaB
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 11-08-08
                                                          • 2604

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                                                          too bad i don't work for them, some people in here would have a knock on their door and a broken leg
                                                          In all honesty you would probably end up with a slug in your head or arrested.
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                                                          • j-e-t-s jets
                                                            Restricted User
                                                            • 08-09-08
                                                            • 346

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                                                            too bad i don't work for them, some people in here would have a knock on their door and a broken leg

                                                            Ben- you don't work for CW anymore??
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                                                            • tatommack
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 10-10-08
                                                              • 4171

                                                              #31
                                                              Couldn't ever get betus us to pay me bastards
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                                                              • nobs
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 08-31-09
                                                                • 4216

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by j-e-t-s jets
                                                                I see all the CW shills are talking to themselves again.................must be great for Ben to log in: post one msg-log out.........wait a few minutes- log in under sharppussy- make a comment........log out- log in under a different name............etc


                                                                March 24th will be here soon. Not worth any more comments.

                                                                Sharpcat- I was banned from SBR until they realized my information was correct...................go to the dentist and stuff before March 24th.

                                                                How's your international collection agency making out??

                                                                FOOLS
                                                                Im getting tired of it though. Its nerve wracking all the names I have to keep logging in and out and shit. Not to mention, it doesnt even work. Hell I thought you stiffs would at least send me some SBR points since you wont pay the $$$ you owe me. Anyways talk to you later

                                                                Sharpcat

                                                                Err I mean Nobs
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                                                                • ttwarrior1
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 06-23-09
                                                                  • 28468

                                                                  #33
                                                                  slug in my head, payup or i put a slug in your head
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                                                                  • bigboyfosho
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 02-19-09
                                                                    • 1576

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Cause SBR doesnt care about stiffs
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                                                                    • j-e-t-s jets
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 08-09-08
                                                                      • 346

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                                                                      slug in my head, payup or i put a slug in your head
                                                                      Retard Alert DUHHHHHHHHHH SLug...DUHHHHH
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