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  • gridironguy
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 04-17-07
    • 575

    #1
    Las Vegas Sun article by Jeff Haney -- trends in sports betting on Vegas strip
    August 13, 2007

    Jeff Haney on an unfortunate trend in sports betting on the Strip

    LAS VEGAS SUN


    I am not a beard.

    Nor am I a "runner," another term used to describe someone who makes bets with other people's money in a sports book following the instructions of his boss, the head money-mover.

    I am not a "wise guy" or a professional gambler. I am not a member of any betting team, partnership, syndicate or consortium, either.

    I'm just an average guy working alone who believes (evidently with some justification) that sometimes my opinion on a sporting event is more informed than that of the oddsmaker or the betting marketplace, and who once in a while likes to back up that opinion with a wager.

    That's why I wasn't surprised when, in the wake of the NBA betting scandal, commissioner David Stern suggested any tainted bets probably did not come through Las Vegas but were instead limited to the so-called "underworld," the vast illegal sports betting market.

    I thought back to this past basketball season and a few instances where I, a run-of-the-mill individual bettor, had trouble persuading sports books to accept my money at the counter.

    I can only imagine how difficult it would be for an organized betting group, like one connected to any games that might have been fixed, to get down any kind of meaningful money in Las Vegas.

    I recall trying to bet basketball at the Wynn Las Vegas and facing a grand inquisition that would put Torquemada to shame.

    Are you staying at the hotel? Can you produce a room key? Who are you? And unspoken but coming through loud and clear: Why are you trying to bet here? (No. No. I'd rather not say. And I thought this was a casino on the Las Vegas Strip.)

    I suppose because I was so "uncooperative" (What nerve! Trying to make a bet in a sports book!), my betting limit on the basketball game in question was set at a grand total of $550. Come on, how about $660? Nope.

    The fact they wanted a room key tells me they would have gladly accepted, say, $770 or more, if I could prove I was an established sucker - er, I mean a valued hotel guest.

    Then, with apologies to Jimmy Cannon and Jay McInerney, there was the grim scene at the late and unlamented New Frontier, perhaps the most depressing place in Southern Nevada:

    You're the only bettor in the joint. You walk up to the counter and state your intended wager on one of the night's basketball games. The elderly gentleman behind the counter glares at you as if you're holding a pistol on him, turns around and disappears into a back room without a word. After a couple minutes he reappears and spits, "You can have $330," meaning that's the maximum amount he'll accept from you. You shrug, place the bet and wonder what you're doing in this mausoleum anyway.

    Then there's the sports book at Terrible's, ostensibly a real live casino, that deigned to accept a maximum of a whopping $220 from me on a basketball bet.

    Hey, gee, thanks! That makes the Wynn look like the sports book at the old Little Caesars (unofficial motto: If you can carry it in, you can bet it).

    Also, at several joints in downtown Las Vegas, I would regularly encounter suspicious changes in the basketball betting line that mysteriously occurred between the time I confirmed the number and when I tried to make the wager.

    I used to think one of the things that made Las Vegas a great gambling city was the opportunity to match wits against the oddsmaker.

    Lately, I'm not so sure. Lately, it looks as if sports betting is going the way of blackjack, where in order to play the game you have to either a) be a dope or b) do your best to pretend to be a dope until you're inevitably caught and tossed out for having the audacity to risk money at a card game.

    If that's the way the business is going, with sports books forever relegated to the status of the evil stepchild of casino operations, with bettors viewed with contempt and suspicion rather than appreciated as customers, and required to check their brains at the entrance like they do at the 21 pit, then it's a real shame.

    Forget about policing sports betting as the industry's "watchdog," or catching any game-fixing schemes.

    No, if that's the direction the business is going, Las Vegas sports betting will end up policing itself right into irrelevancy.
  • gridironguy
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 04-17-07
    • 575

    #2
    A few people on this very site thought I was full of shit when I said all of this about 3 weeks ago. Now, someone whose opinion should be respected for his knowledge of the city, goes on record saying everything that I did.

    I hope this sheds plenty of light on the crappy sportsbetting scene in Vegas, for you..
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    • betplom
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 09-20-06
      • 13444

      #3
      I haven't been to Vegas in 10 years. Last time I was there I stayed at the Imperial Palace and wanted to bet $2500 on Detroit to beat Philly in game 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals.

      I got the same thing:
      "Are you staying at the hotel? Can you produce a room key? Who are you?"

      When I could prove I was a hotel guest they took my wager of $2500 on Detroit M/L +145, the guy taking the bet told me I was crazy, that Philly would NEVER lose two games in a row at home, his comments only made me feel more confident in the wager as I specifically went to Vegas to bet Detroit.

      Final score was 4-1 Detroit, they went on to win in 4 straight, but were heavy chalk after winning game 2.
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      • punchmaster
        SBR Sharp
        • 09-29-05
        • 322

        #4
        Originally posted by gridironguy
        A few people on this very site thought I was full of shit when I said all of this about 3 weeks ago. Now, someone whose opinion should be respected for his knowledge of the city, goes on record saying everything that I did.

        I hope this sheds plenty of light on the crappy sportsbetting scene in Vegas, for you..
        I live in Vegas and from my recent experience wasn't at all as spoken here. Went to The Bellagio and put just a couple hundred bucks on a +180 dog that offshore was offered at -105 at best... too bad I didn't get it when it opened at +275.

        Maybe if I had asked for 500 down it would have been different.
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        • Tchocky
          SBR MVP
          • 02-14-06
          • 2371

          #5
          I was in Vegas earlier this year for a tennis tournament. The Hilton was the only place I could find that was taking action on the tournament. I was shocked at how small the limits are for sportsbetting. I don't think sportsbetting generates that much revenue for them in contrast to slots and table games.
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          • compaqDikk
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 10-08-05
            • 5699

            #6
            anyone on ebay sell vegas hotel keys so I can incerease evertything?
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            • dizzyd
              SBR High Roller
              • 08-12-07
              • 196

              #7
              the more and more this happens I think people will start to use Matchbook. I am new here and don't use Matchbook and don't plan to in the near future, but eventually it may end up being the best place to bet with this crap going on.
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              • SPECULATOR 13
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 08-12-07
                • 768

                #8
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                Jeff Haney did is homework,this is Vegas in the past 2yrs,i can just picture PINNACLES,BETCRIS & BOOKMAKERS ARE GOING:YYYYEEESSSS!!!!! KEEP ON KEEPIN ON!!
                That is the reason why they past the Internet law,because the more people bet on sports on line they can also play casinos games online without having to put with the indignity that plane travel as become in the states.When you factor in the food money and rental car things ad-up,So why not instead stay in your underwear at home and bet poker and play casino games in bee tween 2 sports bets to your little hart content.Bad for Vegas casinos!!
                But apparently things have change if you listen to the Leroy's show a person name Fezzik whom is considered as a high roller
                in Vegas he has given these name:HILTON,THE PALMS,THE COASTS HOTELS & LEROYS as places that will take bets.
                On a another show that caters to sports gamblers call the LVSC sports books show:THE sports book director of Golden nugget:Tony Miller as said clearly on the air that he will never turn a bet away,he added that The book had the reputation for a taking big bets and nothing has change!
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                • Breaker
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 04-17-07
                  • 137

                  #9
                  Good luck betting NBA at the Palms
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                  • Starbuckibm
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 03-21-07
                    • 212

                    #10
                    Originally posted by gridironguy
                    A few people on this very site thought I was full of shit when I said all of this about 3 weeks ago. Now, someone whose opinion should be respected for his knowledge of the city, goes on record saying everything that I did.

                    I hope this sheds plenty of light on the crappy sportsbetting scene in Vegas, for you..
                    Riiiight!
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                    • Justin7
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 07-31-06
                      • 8577

                      #11
                      The last time I was in Vegas, I tried to bet on the Super Bowl - a spread bet on the Bears. Caesar's Palace refused my bet.

                      Vegas doesn't define the sports market. There are a few decent casinos that will take a bet, but a majority are treating sharp action like card counters in the Griffon book.
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                      • ForgetWallStreet
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 04-27-07
                        • 342

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dizzyd
                        the more and more this happens I think people will start to use Matchbook. I am new here and don't use Matchbook and don't plan to in the near future, but eventually it may end up being the best place to bet with this crap going on.
                        Why wait?? Unless you are getting reduced juice somewhere else, you are more or less lighting money on fire by not playing at Matchbook.
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                        • gridironguy
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 04-17-07
                          • 575

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Starbuckibm
                          Riiiight!
                          Look it up in my history of 'started threads' you genius.

                          (There are too many f-en schmucks in this world..)
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                          • Starbuckibm
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 03-21-07
                            • 212

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gridironguy
                            Look it up in my history of 'started threads' you genius.

                            (There are too many f-en schmucks in this world..)
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                            • gridironguy
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 04-17-07
                              • 575

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Starbuckibm
                              Here is the thread I started back on July 11, 2007 which was a pre-cursor to the points made by Jeff Haney regarding Vegas.

                              How interesting that an actual sportswriter in Vegas echoed the same exact concerns about the strip casinos, as I did..

                              Here's my thread, you fool:

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                              • Starbuckibm
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 03-21-07
                                • 212

                                #16
                                Dude chill out...I was being a smart ass. And actually I saw it when you posted it back in early July.
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                                • pokernut9999
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 07-25-07
                                  • 12757

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Justin7
                                  The last time I was in Vegas, I tried to bet on the Super Bowl - a spread bet on the Bears. Caesar's Palace refused my bet.

                                  Vegas doesn't define the sports market. There are a few decent casinos that will take a bet, but a majority are treating sharp action like card counters in the Griffon book.

                                  Get Monkey to hook you up
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                                  • anthonydiamondLC
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-02-08
                                    • 2296

                                    #18
                                    I don't know whats up with the article or any other guys saying they have had there action limited, but 2 years ago i bet $1200 on the arena football game championship at Ceasers with no questions asked.
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                                    • Fishhead
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 08-11-05
                                      • 40179

                                      #19
                                      Matchbook

                                      matchbook

                                      matchbook
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                                      • mathdotcom
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 03-24-08
                                        • 11689

                                        #20
                                        Wonder why Monkey isn't limited
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                                        • Brock Landers
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 06-30-08
                                          • 45359

                                          #21
                                          Have your feet ready to spread bets down at multiple books
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                                          • Doug
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 08-10-05
                                            • 6324

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by punchmaster
                                            I live in Vegas and from my recent experience wasn't at all as spoken here. Went to The Bellagio and put just a couple hundred bucks on a +180 dog that offshore was offered at -105 at best... too bad I didn't get it when it opened at +275.

                                            Maybe if I had asked for 500 down it would have been different.
                                            So a line was +180 in Vegas and -105 offshore ? and it was +275 !

                                            What sport ?

                                            This sounds impossible or it was a bad line ( error). However Vegas has to pay their bad lines ( right ?). This can't be an everyday thing.
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                                            • thezbar
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 08-29-06
                                              • 6429

                                              #23
                                              Old thread bumped up. Post #16 is from 2007
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