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  • Deuce
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 01-12-08
    • 29843

    #1
    Deuce: State of the Union
    In my time at the forum I have met some great people but I have also met my fair share of jerkoffs. Because after all it is the internet, it is only expected. My first day here at SBR Forum was a comedic experience, I was actually brought here but rake922 from another forum and to be honest I loved the jjgold videos, the traffic was unreal. Not only was it entertaining but also I had a plethora of knowledge right in front of me to make me money. It was great; I could easily see myself staying around for the long haul.

    As the years went by quite a few posters had come and gone, at this point it seemed that mods were like shoes around here, you wear them out, go out and buy a new one. Until this point nothing was ever said as to why they left. BigBoyDan was a huge asset to the forum, we all loved him, he didn’t have a negative bone in his body. Why did he bounce? It was pretty much kept hush hush, no one knew, just as Ganch had bounced.

    Now I am not here to tell anyone how to run their business and also I am not here to attack ownership. Whether a certain mod was fired unjustly even after he moved across the country, without any sense of it at all, the carpet was pulled from under his feet, regardless really it isn’t my business. You run your business like you want. I for one feel it is bad business but in the end you’re right, I am only seeing one side of the equation and I can believe who I want to believe.
    My concerns stem from this past weekend. As you all know, solid forum assets and contributors, long timers had left, gone out to what they say are “greener pastures” because of the way business is handled around here. This stems back to me saying, run your business how you want, but also take a look into the phrase, “Do as I say not as I do.” Ownership calling names, paid posters constantly bashing African Americans, from somewhere out there over the rainbow an epiphany took place, now Bread is reprimanded, reprimanded in such ways it was unreal because so many got away with it for so long.

    Bread left with his posse, feathers were ruffled, many speculated, yada yada, this and that, and in the end it is over and done with. Both parties are obviously happy in their current situations. That had almost gone away, boards were back to normal, we will call those folks the “Drunks” of the forum. The same “Drunks” that brought this board so much traffic, the same “Drunks” that wrote front page blogs. I love me some “Drunks”. They are the same “Drunks” that make the forum entertaining without the same repetitive shtick.

    Now that the “Drunks” are long gone, another topic came up. Tony Soprano mentioned another board and it was as if the flood gates opened. jjgold created such a stir about Tony mentioning it. Such a stir that personal attacks took place. Things were said that were not necessary; a certain persons side came out that day that I have never witnessed. The same certain person that used to tout other boards in his videos and ask other board owners for his 400. “Kenny, where is my $400? Give me my $400 Kenny.” Whatever makes you think you can do it but when you see another poster mention, just mention another site, you spaze and go into blah blah our board is booming and traffic is at all time highs mode, sir if that is the case why are you soooo worried that you have to go into defense mod? Yeah, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me either.

    The things John has done here for posters are great. They truly do have great tools here for gambling. The lines site is top notch, the points for posting is brilliant, the sportsbook (brought to you by yours truly) is great as well. I would like to see a few things change. The changes are not just for personal reasons but I also see quite a few long time loyal posters feeling the same way. I would like the spamming of paid posters to please stop, wait no it doesn’t even have to stop, just limit it, make more of the paid posters post about gambling instead of asking Clarken to call him. The shtick once again has grown old. Instead being a great traffic asset and recruiter, the guy has become out very own MofoMe. He is posting to just post. Let posters handle their own problems, there is no reason whatsoever that a paid poster has to jump in, cause even more problems, call names, and bring out personal information. Very unprofessional.

    In closing, I have ranted here for too long, personally I think what I just wrote is ridiculous, it is after all the fukking internet. I ask of ownership, please listen to the posters here and what the posters want. We are the reason you’re so successful. Without posters you may as well take the paid posters into sbr chat and let them fluff each other’s nuts. As you can see from the trend that has taken place, most of your loyal posters and bash goers have gone their separate ways. Owners, please listen before it is too late. I hope no one was offended, I am speaking the truth and what posters are saying. jjgold, I love you, pal.

    Beating a book near you,

    Deuce
    (Mike Boyd)
  • podunk
    SBR MVP
    • 11-12-09
    • 3455

    #2
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    • SamsNCharge99
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 10-22-08
      • 41242

      #3
      great post Deuce
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      • SBR_John
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-12-05
        • 16471

        #4
        I agree with some and some is just a bit misinformed. I know there is Pavy and I guess you that nearly every post is directed at JJ. JJ Gold is not a paid poster like King Revolver or Mofo. He does not take orders. I dont like him promoting RW or whipping out his piece but that comes with the territory. JJ Gold is a great person and poster. If you dont like him then simply put him on ignore and do not read him. Its really quite easy.

        As far as the employees go. I'll just say this; SBR at a tremendous expense to the company hires guys and pays all their moving expenses and fronts them cash to settle in. The very LAST thing we want is to lose an employee which by then is a tremendous investment. SBR has many many guys who have been here since day 1. Bill has moved all over the world as have many others. If someone we invested so heavily in to relocate did not work out you can bet your very last dollar there was a good reason for it. Of course you are only going to hear their side because I'm not going to divulge info on employees.

        A couple of guys left and at least one was planning all along to start a forum. No biggie. SBR has a few rules that members have to follow just like every other forum. Did you notice not one guy who left went to a major forum? We are not the only forum with a rule or two.

        Otherwise, thanks for taking the time to write up your State of the Union. Hopefully it can be a yearly event.
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        • Fishhead
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 08-11-05
          • 40179

          #5
          Good effort Duecy

          JJgold certainly deserves a raise after his brillant performances the past couple weeks.
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          • wal66
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 10-14-08
            • 5305

            #6
            Deuce, I agree with your sentiments. I think you said in one post what many have been saying in various threads for weeks now. Those that left were our friends just as many that are still here are our friends as well. E-friends, real friends whatever you want to call them certain bonds are established when you spend this much time together.

            I agree with you on JJ as well. He assumes I don't like him or am out to get him but that is absolutely false. I like about 75% of JJ's schtick and understand about that much of it as well. There is that remaining 25% that sometimes leaves me scratching my head though. I guess when you have been at it as long as he has sometimes you lose focus. I am sure parts of what he has been doing is to draw attention away from those that left. Personally I think painting them in a negative light was the wrong approach though. Many of us are adults here and have a decent understanding of how to read between the lines and call BS when we see it. However management still tries to tell us things are red when we know they are purple.

            I have applauded Pavy's efforts at pointing out certain (not all) BS tendencies in previous weeks and I stand now and applaude your thread as well.

            I realize some will assume that what you have written here and anyone that agrees with you are just being negative and should leave SBR. I would hope that they could understand that it is because we actually love SBR and what it represented when we joined SBR is the sole reason any of us speak out against certain aspects at SBR. I would hope that would be the message people would get from this but I seriously doubt it.
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            • 1st and Ten
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 11-13-09
              • 5131

              #7
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              • 1st and Ten
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 11-13-09
                • 5131

                #8
                Originally posted by SBR_John
                I agree with some and some is just a bit misinformed. I know there is Pavy and I guess you that nearly every post is directed at JJ. JJ Gold is not a paid poster like King Revolver or Mofo. He does not take orders. I dont like him promoting RW or whipping out his piece but that comes with the territory. JJ Gold is a great person and poster. If you dont like him then simply put him on ignore and do not read him. Its really quite easy.

                As far as the employees go. I'll just say this; SBR at a tremendous expense to the company hires guys and pays all their moving expenses and fronts them cash to settle in. The very LAST thing we want is to lose an employee which by then is a tremendous investment. SBR has many many guys who have been here since day 1. Bill has moved all over the world as have many others. If someone we invested so heavily in to relocate did not work out you can bet your very last dollar there was a good reason for it. Of course you are only going to hear their side because I'm not going to divulge info on employees.

                A couple of guys left and at least one was planning all along to start a forum. No biggie. SBR has a few rules that members have to follow just like every other forum. Did you notice not one guy who left went to a major forum? We are not the only forum with a rule or two.

                Otherwise, thanks for taking the time to write up your State of the Union. Hopefully it can be a yearly event.
                Do you normally fire guys in parking lots?
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                • Deuce
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 01-12-08
                  • 29843

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SBR_John
                  I agree with some and some is just a bit misinformed. I know there is Pavy and I guess you that nearly every post is directed at JJ. JJ Gold is not a paid poster like King Revolver or Mofo. He does not take orders. I dont like him promoting RW or whipping out his piece but that comes with the territory. JJ Gold is a great person and poster. If you dont like him then simply put him on ignore and do not read him. Its really quite easy. As far as the employees go. I'll just say this; SBR at a tremendous expense to the company hires guys and pays all their moving expenses and fronts them cash to settle in. The very LAST thing we want is to lose an employee which by then is a tremendous investment. SBR has many many guys who have been here since day 1. Bill has moved all over the world as have many others. If someone we invested so heavily in to relocate did not work out you can bet your very last dollar there was a good reason for it. Of course you are only going to hear their side because I'm not going to divulge info on employees. A couple of guys left and at least one was planning all along to start a forum. No biggie. SBR has a few rules that members have to follow just like every other forum. Did you notice not one guy who left went to a major forum? We are not the only forum with a rule or two. Otherwise, thanks for taking the time to write up your State of the Union. Hopefully it can be a yearly event.
                  I will only take your word for your own business I guess. What others are saying that were former employees that have no reason whatsoever to lie and what is said are two different things. Furthermore, when did the mentioning of other forums become blasphemy? Today I saw "loyal" posters mentioning other forums. I also question you this John, why did jjgold need to step in and bring more issues to the forum public? Instead of taking matter into his hands like a "loyal" adult and bringing it to your attention via an email or a phone call, why did he have to act the way he did towards Tony? I mean he did just ask Tony to be let back so traffic would be brought back up to where it was.

                  This wasn't brought to your attention to be negative towards you or the forum. I just think enough is enough, you should hear the posters out and what the posters are feeling. I am doing this to help the forum not bring it to its knees. I have also spoken many times to jjgold on the phone, I don't need to put him on ignore. I want him to know once again, how posters feel.
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                  • dmtrader
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-26-09
                    • 1320

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Deuce
                    why did jjgold need to step in and bring more issues to the forum public? Instead of taking matter into his hands like a "loyal" adult and bringing it to your attention via an email or a phone call, why did he have to act the way he did towards Tony? I mean he did just ask Tony to be let back so traffic would be brought back up to where it was.
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                    • wtf
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 08-22-08
                      • 12983

                      #11
                      i really question jj not get any compensation

                      why does he spend so much time and effort for nothing

                      i doubt rw is lining his pockets that much to warrant all the vids and posts
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                      • SBR_John
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 07-12-05
                        • 16471

                        #12
                        Deuce, I dont have any communication with JJ. He is truly doing his thing. I havent talked to him in any form since he tried to sue me for his gambling losses maybe 3 years ago. Like I said, JJ does his own thing here. He is very talented and a great guy. But if he rubs you wrong there will be 2,100 other guys log on today. Surely there is no need to focus on a poster that you currently do not enjoy.
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                        • Deuce
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 01-12-08
                          • 29843

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SBR_John
                          Deuce, I dont have any communication with JJ. He is truly doing his thing. I havent talked to him in any form since he tried to sue me for his gambling losses maybe 3 years ago. Like I said, JJ does his own thing here. He is very talented and a great guy. But if he rubs you wrong there will be 2,100 other guys log on today. Surely there is no need to focus on a poster that you currently do not enjoy.
                          John there really isn't any reason whatsoever to beat around the jjgold questions by telling me to put him on ignore. I am asking these questions because it truly has pissed plenty of your 2,100 daily posters off. If you're unwilling to answer them, fair enough but at least you know where how your bread and butter feel.
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                          • JohnAnthony
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 04-30-09
                            • 5110

                            #14
                            I'm praying this thread stays at the current level of discussion. Something might actually come out of it.
                            "I have never seen a wild thing feel sorry for itself. A little bird will fall dead, frozen from a bough, without ever having felt sorry for itself."

                            - D.H. Lawrence
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                            • onthewhat
                              Restricted User
                              • 05-14-08
                              • 15411

                              #15
                              SBR John are you seriously saying that JJ isn't compensated by SBR?

                              That's just laughable. He was the 3rd guy to sign up for the forum. Makes 1,000s of videos. Posts from 5am-11pm every day. Of course he is compensated, or he is a bigger loser than we realize. Or both.
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                              • SBR_John
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 07-12-05
                                • 16471

                                #16
                                Thats your opinion Deuce. Its not mine. JJ Gold helped build this forum and even though he has had his fun pissing me off over the years I still got his back. Its only forumville and JJ is certainly getting a kick out of the attention for his current role playing. You have seen the many different roles over the years? Joey Slats? Corbin? Coach and all the rest? Its forumville Deuce. Yes, ignore him if he rubs you wrong just like we do in real life.
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                                • Deuce
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 01-12-08
                                  • 29843

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by onthewhat
                                  SBR John are you seriously saying that JJ isn't compensated by SBR? That's just laughable. He was the 3rd guy to sign up for the forum. Makes 1,000s of videos. Posts from 5am-11pm every day. Of course he is compensated, or he is a bigger loser than we realize. Or both.
                                  I don't think they know you go to U of Indiana and I am educated myself. It's almost a slap in the face and underestimating our intelligence.
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                                  • SBR_John
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 07-12-05
                                    • 16471

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by onthewhat
                                    SBR John are you seriously saying that JJ isn't compensated by SBR?

                                    That's just laughable. He was the 3rd guy to sign up for the forum. Makes 1,000s of videos. Posts from 5am-11pm every day. Of course he is compensated, or he is a bigger loser than we realize. Or both.
                                    No comment. LOL. I have no idea what his arrangement is with SBR now. He always refused to be an employee cause he wanted to do whatever he pleased. I would hire him in a minute to work in Costa Rica. We have paid him to help us on projects like the lines and SBR.tv and others. I hope he is being paid, he deserves it.
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                                    • BatemanPatrickl
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 06-21-07
                                      • 18772

                                      #19
                                      JJ needs book and movie deals; dude is sharp
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                                      • Deuce
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 01-12-08
                                        • 29843

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by SBR_John
                                        Thats your opinion Deuce. Its not mine. JJ Gold helped build this forum and even though he has had his fun pissing me off over the years I still got his back. Its only forumville and JJ is certainly getting a kick out of the attention for his current role playing. You have seen the many different roles over the years? Joey Slats? Corbin? Coach and all the rest? Its forumville Deuce. Yes, ignore him if he rubs you wrong just like we do in real life.
                                        Oh I am well aware, btw it is not only MY opinion, it is your livelihoods opinion. We will see how it all pans out, as I stated, this is to help you, no reason to keep referring back on how you don't and never have spoken to him in 3 years. It's not believable at all. But as stated, I am not here on how you run your own business, if that is what you want, good work.

                                        God Bless.
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                                        • onthewhat
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 05-14-08
                                          • 15411

                                          #21
                                          Deuce that was a classic first post though. They had no problem getting web traffic, blogs, videos, sportsbook account referrals, etc. from the "drunks", but when they decide to leave then they say how it is better without them.

                                          Damage control. Deuce, both you and myself know traffic is suffering. Just look at the traffic and numbers of the new forum. SBR was getting those numbers two months ago.
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                                          • JohnAnthony
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 04-30-09
                                            • 5110

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by onthewhat
                                            Deuce that was a classic first post though. They had no problem getting web traffic, blogs, videos, sportsbook account referrals, etc. from the "drunks", but when they decide to leave then they say how it is better without them. Damage control. Deuce, both you and myself know traffic is suffering. Just look at the traffic and numbers of the new forum. SBR was getting those numbers two months ago.
                                            February should tell better.
                                            "I have never seen a wild thing feel sorry for itself. A little bird will fall dead, frozen from a bough, without ever having felt sorry for itself."

                                            - D.H. Lawrence
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                                            • Brock Landers
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 06-30-08
                                              • 45359

                                              #23
                                              so whats the bottom line Deuce, can you sum it up in a sentence or two?
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                                              • mmike032
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 09-11-08
                                                • 8905

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by onthewhat
                                                Deuce that was a classic first post though. They had no problem getting web traffic, blogs, videos, sportsbook account referrals, etc. from the "drunks", but when they decide to leave then they say how it is better without them.

                                                Damage control. Deuce, both you and myself know traffic is suffering. Just look at the traffic and numbers of the new forum. SBR was getting those numbers two months ago.
                                                it was a failed PR campaign
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                                                • Deuce
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 01-12-08
                                                  • 29843

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                                  so whats the bottom line Deuce, can you sum it up in a sentence or two?
                                                  Read it you fukk, it took me 12 minutes to write at least have the respect to read it.
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                                                  • Deuce
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 01-12-08
                                                    • 29843

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by mmike032
                                                    it was a failed PR campaign
                                                    I thought they took out the trash?
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                                                    • Unchained
                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                      • 11-19-09
                                                      • 428

                                                      #27
                                                      Dj Deucy Delvecchio on the 1's and 2's.
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                                                      • 1st and Ten
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 11-13-09
                                                        • 5131

                                                        #28
                                                        JJGold wrote this book folks

                                                        James Jeffries, Charles Oliver, THE BOOK ON BOOKIES -- AN INSIDE LOOK AT A SUCCESSFUL SPORTS GAMBLING OPERATION, Colorado: Paladin Press, 2000, Glossary, 152pp.
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                                                        • 1st and Ten
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 11-13-09
                                                          • 5131

                                                          #29
                                                          This is JJGold father (Early Years)

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                                                          • pavyracer
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 04-12-07
                                                            • 82888

                                                            #30
                                                            Well said Deuce. You will never get a straight answer from SBR John. You ask him what car he drives he answers back the moon is made out of cheese. If he answers the basic questions posters ask him in a straight forward manner posters will not have to do it the hard way.

                                                            Posters make up the forum. He choses to promote the paid ones and ignore the pleas of others. He wants to run his business one way but he also wants to control what posters like or don't like here. Why does he care if posters don't like the cue ball act? This country alternates electing in power donkeys and elephants. It's impossible for all people to like and agree with each other at a forum or a country. If he likes to promote cue ball's buffoonery is his own business. What he MUST understand though is not all posters like what he likes. Telling posters what to like or not like is not his damn business. His damn business is to make sure the posters enjoy the product his offers.
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                                                            • jjgold
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 07-20-05
                                                              • 388179

                                                              #31
                                                              Deuce wants SBR.TV on his iphone and a few other things with sbr.picks I beleive. Deuce what are they again??
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                                                              • 1st and Ten
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 11-13-09
                                                                • 5131

                                                                #32
                                                                Pavy...research shows the cue ball has a two year shelf life. What the average "length of service" for an SBR poster?
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                                                                • Deuce
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 01-12-08
                                                                  • 29843

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                                  Well said Deuce. You will never get a straight answer from SBR John. You ask him what car he drives he answers back the moon is made out of cheese. If he answers the basic questions posters ask him in a straight forward manner posters will not have to do it the hard way. Posters make up the forum. He choses to promote the paid ones and ignore the pleas of others. He wants to run his business one way but he also wants to control what posters like or don't like here. Why does he care if posters don't like the cue ball act? This country alternates electing in power donkeys and elephants. It's impossible for all people to like and agree with each other at a forum or a country. If he likes to promote cue ball's buffoonery is his own business. What he MUST understand though is not all posters like what he likes. Telling posters what to like or not like is not his damn business. His damn business is to make sure the posters enjoy the product his offers.
                                                                  That is something that frustrates the fukk out of me and doesn't add up. No reason to beat around it.
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                                                                  • flyingillini
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 12-06-06
                                                                    • 41219

                                                                    #34
                                                                    No mames guey leva's!
                                                                    המוסד‎
                                                                    המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים‎
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                                                                    • SBR_John
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 07-12-05
                                                                      • 16471

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Yes we will all see. It's hardly the first. Some of you have your minds made up. Who said SBR traffic was down? This past weekend set a record. Those that left I wish them well but will have zero effect on this site.

                                                                      As I told them. If you don't like it here click that little red x and be gone. This site and it's 2 thousand strong daily posting group are here posting away and enjoying themselves. I suggest joining in or leaving but the complaint and crying geez that could take a break.
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