You Be The Judge... Do I Have A Case?

forsberg21 · 02-02-10, 02:35 AM

Thanks General,

I'm still waiting on their response, I'll post again as soon as I hear back from them. I do understand your point too, my case isn't airtight, but neither is theirs. I'm just seeing what I can do to salvage my money from this wager. I'll keep ya guys posted.

ttwarrior1 · 02-02-10, 02:41 AM

the must play is usually on a game prop, i say your screwed and lost

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 06:52 AM

GENERAL YOUR FULL OF SHIT

BY REFUNDING THIS GUYS BET HOW IS THAT COSTING THE BOOKS MONEY THEY STILL HAVE 5 OR 6 MORE GUYS WHO COULD WIN.

NO F-CKING WAY CAN A GUY NEVER TOUCH THE FLOOR IN A REGULAR SEASON GAME AND YOU HAVE A BET.THIS KID BETTER GET HIS MONEY BACK OR THERE SHOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION INTO CORRUPTION AT THE SPORTSBOOK.

GENERAL LETS SAY I MAKE A BET ON KOBE BRYANT SCORING 20 POINTS IN AN NBA GAME THEN JUST BEFORE THE GAME STARTS KOBE BRYANT IS SCRATCHED FROM THE LINE UP DO I LOSE MY BET THAT NIGHT.THIS IS THE SAME THING A PLAYER HAS TO STEP ON THE FLOOR IN A REGULAR SEASON GAME TO HAVE ACTION IF BLAKE GRIFFEN BROKE HIS LEG IN THE FIRST 30 SECONDS OF THE FIRST GAME FINE YOU HAD ACTION BUT IF HE NEVER TOUCHES THE FLOOR ITS DEFINITLY NO BET

THIS IS AN OBVIOUS ONE YOU GET YOUR WAGER BACK AND DONT SETTLE FOR ANYTHING ELSE JUST NAME THE BOOK IF YOU DONT GET YOUR MONEY BACK AND THEY WLL BE OUT OF BUSINESS IN A MONTH

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 07:02 AM

OPEN AND SHUT CASE YOUR MONEY WILL BE REFUNDED

THIS IS HOW SPORTSBOOKS TRY AND RIP YOU OFF WITH GIMMICKS LIKE THIS.LET ME SHOW YOU AND EXAMPLE HOW SPORTSBOOKS WANT IT BOTH WAYS.

LETS JUST SAY BLAKE GRIFFEN GOT IN A PLANE CRASH AND DIED BEFORE THE 1ST REGULAR SEASON GAME HE NEVER TOUCHED THE FLOOR OF AN NBA GAME.THE LEAGUE OUT OF RESPECT FOR BLAKE GRIFFEN DECIDED TO MAKE HIM THE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR EVEN THOUGH HE NEVER TOUCHED THE FLOOR.WOULD THE SPORTSBOOK IN QUESTION PAY OUT ON THIS PROP BET

F-CK YOU THEY WOULD THEY WOULD HAVE THE RULES OUT IN A MINUTE THE LAYER HAD TO PLAY SO MANY MINUTES OR GAMES THE RULE BOOK WOULD CHANGE IN THERE FAVOR

DOES ANYBODY THINK THE SPORTSBOOK WOULD PAY THAT PROP BET

GET THE F-CK OUT OF HERE SO LETS GET THIS STRAIGHTENED OUT GIVE THE KID BACK HIS MONEY AND MOVE ON

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 07:13 AM

WOW I JUST THOUGHT OF A PERFECT EXAMPLE IT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED IF IT WAS A PLANE CRASH INSTEAD OF DRUGS.

LEN BIAS NEVER TOUCHED AN NBA FLOOR HE WAS GOING TO BE A ROOKIE FOR THE BOSTON CELTICS.

I MADE A BET THAT LEN BIAS WAS GOING TO WIN THE NBA ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.HE NEVER PLAYED A SECOND OF A GAME BUT HE HAD A TRAGIC DEATH.THE NBA SAID IN MEMORY OF LEN BIAS A GREAT ALL AMERICAN KID WHO GOT KILLED IN A PLANE CRASH WE HAVE DECIDED TO MAKE HIM ROOKIE OF THE YEAR IN THE NBA.

WHAT SPORTSBOOK WOULD PAY OUT ON THIS PROP

ZERO YOU ARE CORRECT NO SPORTSBOOK WOULD PAY OUT THEY WOULD SAY HE HAD TO TOUCH THE FLOOR TO HAVE ACTION.THEY WOULD NEVER PAY OUT ON A BET WHERE A PLAYER NEVER PLAYED.

THEY WILL TRY AND RIP YOU OFF IN THIS CASE BECAUSE BLAKE GRIFFN MIGHT HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF ACTION BUT DONT LET THEM THEY ARE ROBBING YOU

floridagolfer · 02-02-10, 07:28 AM

Do you have a case? I'd say probably not. I know that two different Vegas books would not refund my wager on a player to win the Masters when he WD'd the week before the event.

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 07:37 AM

THEY HAVE TO BE MORE CLEAR ON THE RULES HE WILL GET HIS MONEY BACK.

THIS IS A PROP BET SUPERBOWL FUTURE

WILL PEYTON MANNING THROW FOR 250 YARDS

THE NIGHT BEFORE PEYTON GETS FOOD POISONING CANT PLAY IN THE GAME

HE DIDNT THROW FOR 250 YARDS WILL I GET PAID

OF COURSE NOT BECAUSE HE DIDNT STEP ON THE FIELD WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS PROP BET OR FUTURE BET WITH BLAKE GRIFFEN.THE PLAYER HAS TO STEP ON THE FIELD OR FLOOR TO HAVE ACTION

OPEN AND SHUT MONEY BACK CASE

SPORTSBOOKS CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS THE RULES ALWAYS FAVOR THEM ITS STEALING IF HE DOESNT GET HIS REFUND

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 07:42 AM

WILL DWIGHT FEENEY HAVE A SACK

IF I MAKE A BET SAYING NO DWIGHT FEENEY WONT HAVE A SACK

THEN HE DOESNT PLAY DO YOU THINK THE SPORTSBOOK WILL PAY ME ON THIS PROP BET F-CK YOU THEY WILL

GIVE THE KID HIS MONEY BACK YOU F-CKING CROOKS (JUST NAME THE SPORTSBOOK)

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 11:37 AM

LETS GO BOYS A PLAYER IS GETTING RIPPED OFF HERE WHERE IS SBR JOHN YOU CANT BET A FUTURE PLAY AND THE GUY NEVER STARTS AND TAKE HIS MONEY NO F-CKING WAY.

WHERE ARE ALL THE WATCHDOGS THIS HAS TO BE GRADED NO ACTION THE GUY NEVER SET FOOT ON THE COURT IN A REGULAR SEASON GAME

THIS TOPIC SHOULD HAVE 1000 REPONSES ALL SAYING GIVE THE LAYER BACK HIS MONEY

Dunder · 02-02-10, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by BEANTOWNJIM

LETS GO BOYS A PLAYER IS GETTING RIPPED OFF HERE WHERE IS SBR JOHN YOU CANT BET A FUTURE PLAY AND THE GUY NEVER STARTS AND TAKE HIS MONEY NO F-CKING WAY.

WHERE ARE ALL THE WATCHDOGS THIS HAS TO BE GRADED NO ACTION THE GUY NEVER SET FOOT ON THE COURT IN A REGULAR SEASON GAME

THIS TOPIC SHOULD HAVE 1000 REPONSES ALL SAYING GIVE THE LAYER BACK HIS MONEY

Why? Because you say so.
It´s a tough break but the bet is a loser.

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 11:48 AM

DUNDER WHATS YOUR OPINION ON THIS WEEKS SUPERBOWL.

DWIGHT FEENEY IS LISTED AS QUESTIONABLE.I MAKE A BET THAT DWIGHT FEENEY WONT HAVE A SACK THIS BET WAS UP LAST WEEK BEFORE THE INJURY WAS MADE PUBLIC.

DWIGHT FEENEY DOESNT PLAY BUT I MADE THE FUTURE BET THAT SAID HE WONT HAVE A SACK.HE DOESNT PLAY DO YOU THINK ANY SPORTSBOOK IS GOING TO PAY THAT FUTURE BET.OF COURSE THEY WONT THEY WILL SAY HE HAS TO STEP ON THE FIELD IN THE GAME.

PROP BETS ARE BASED ON THE PLAYER GETTING INTO GAME ACTION.SPORTSBOOKS CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

JUST NAME THE SPORTSBOOK SO I KNOW I WONT PLAY THERE PLUS THEY SHOULD BE BAD MOUTHED FOR STEALING A PLAYERS MONEY.

Justin7 · 02-02-10, 11:51 AM

If Griffin is no action, there is no action on any other player also. So which would be a more reasonable way to handle these wagers: cancel all, or cancel none? I'd go with canceling none, and give your wager action.

If there is no rule on point about action, your guy had a chance to win when it was placed. Everyone else's odds were less. After the announcement, the effective odds dropped to 0, and everyone else's increased.

I agree that IASBet is shady, but I think they are in the right on this one.

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 11:57 AM

Justin i disagree using my analogy about dwight deeney

in a futures bet the player has to step on the field.when the props came out for the superbowl nobody knew feeney was hurt he disclosed this recenty.i make a bet that he wont have a sack in the superbowl he doesnt even dress and sits on the sidelines.

How would a sportsbook grade that bet with feeney we all know how it would be graded non bet because he never played.samething with this blake griffen bet he never touched the court no bet period

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 12:00 PM

JUSTIN THE OTHER PLAYERS DRESSED AND PLAYED OUT THE SEASON BLAKE GRIFFEN NEVER STEPPED ON THE COURT HOW CAN YOU HAVE ACTION ON A PLAYER WHO NEVER PLAYED.

SPORTSBOOKS WANT IT ALL THERE WAY ITS A FREE SHOT AT A PLAYER IN THIS CASE.THEY WOULD NEVER PAY OUT ON A SACK BY DWIGHT FEENEY IF HE DOESNT PLAY SO WHATS THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS CASE

Justin7 · 02-02-10, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by BEANTOWNJIM

JUSTIN THE OTHER PLAYERS DRESSED AND PLAYED OUT THE SEASON BLAKE GRIFFEN NEVER STEPPED ON THE COURT HOW CAN YOU HAVE ACTION ON A PLAYER WHO NEVER PLAYED.

SPORTSBOOKS WANT IT ALL THERE WAY ITS A FREE SHOT AT A PLAYER IN THIS CASE.THEY WOULD NEVER PAY OUT ON A SACK BY DWIGHT FEENEY IF HE DOESNT PLAY SO WHATS THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS CASE

The same as betting on a horse future that later scratches. Most multi-way futures are "all have action".

Justin7 · 02-02-10, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by BEANTOWNJIM

in a futures bet the player has to step on the field.when the props came out for the superbowl nobody knew feeney was hurt he disclosed this recenty.i make a bet that he wont have a sack in the superbowl he doesnt even dress and sits on the sidelines.

How would a sportsbook grade that bet with feeney we all know how it would be graded non bet because he never played.samething with this blake griffen bet he never touched the court no bet period

There is a difference between a futures bet, and a prop bet. In a prop bet with 1-2 players listed, all must participate for action. In a futures bet, there is normally action whether or not the person plays. It's not realistic to cancel the entire wager for everyone betting because one player got hurt.

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 12:06 PM

You have to be a f-cking idiot to lay one of these futures then because thats a total rip off.the rules should be just like any other bet you make the player or horse has to make an attempt to be on the field or track.

Sportsbooks should still refund the money for not having this clause written in plain view for players to see.this player deserves his monry back and for now on require all these futures to have the rules in writing stating your bet stands even if the player never plays.but until its in writing this player deserves a refund .

Why do sportsbooks not clerify the rules its obvious to take free shots at players.

Give the kid back his money and re write your rules stating all the facts

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-02-10, 12:12 PM

Justin your wrong about horse racing if i go to churchill downs and bet a future bet on the kentucky derby and my horse is scratched i get my money back.what gives these offshore sportsbooks the right to change the track rules.i have a horse account with tvg and i make a futures bet on the derby i get my money back if the horse doesnt run they just adjust the track odds

exstatman · 02-02-10, 12:23 PM

I can't believe the idiotic responses here. The Griffin bet is a loser, period.

The analogy on the future book is equally wrong. When the KD future bet is made, there is no refund PERIOD. If a horse is withdrawn while a pool is open, wagering on that horse is suspended, but all wagers made prior to that are considered action.

If you'd care to make a wager on this, please name the price.

Dunder · 02-02-10, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by BEANTOWNJIM

DUNDER WHATS YOUR OPINION ON THIS WEEKS SUPERBOWL.

DWIGHT FEENEY IS LISTED AS QUESTIONABLE.I MAKE A BET THAT DWIGHT FEENEY WONT HAVE A SACK THIS BET WAS UP LAST WEEK BEFORE THE INJURY WAS MADE PUBLIC.

DWIGHT FEENEY DOESNT PLAY BUT I MADE THE FUTURE BET THAT SAID HE WONT HAVE A SACK.HE DOESNT PLAY DO YOU THINK ANY SPORTSBOOK IS GOING TO PAY THAT FUTURE BET.OF COURSE THEY WONT THEY WILL SAY HE HAS TO STEP ON THE FIELD IN THE GAME.

PROP BETS ARE BASED ON THE PLAYER GETTING INTO GAME ACTION.SPORTSBOOKS CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

JUST NAME THE SPORTSBOOK SO I KNOW I WONT PLAY THERE PLUS THEY SHOULD BE BAD MOUTHED FOR STEALING A PLAYERS MONEY.

No play for me in the SB Jim the lines look sharp to me. I am trading/market making the spread on Betfair though.

In respect of the OPs case case. Futures bets outside the US are known as Ante-post bets and the rules are fairly standard. The book involved is IASBet (Australian).

exstatman · 02-02-10, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by BEANTOWNJIM

Justin your wrong about horse racing if i go to churchill downs and bet a future bet on the kentucky derby and my horse is scratched i get my money back.what gives these offshore sportsbooks the right to change the track rules.i have a horse account with tvg and i make a futures bet on the derby i get my money back if the horse doesnt run they just adjust the track odds

Still sticking by this statement? Care to wager on it?

keyboarding · 02-02-10, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Question:

Could they allow it to carry on for next season? Since he didn't play this year wouldn't he be a rookie next season too?

I'm fairly certain all future bets put the year of the season into the prop.

Glitch · 02-02-10, 05:53 PM

did that pay better than +250? blake griffin is a beast.

forsberg21 · 02-05-10, 04:46 PM

Ok, the verdict is in.

IASbet has refunded my wager on the basis that I use the refund to place wagers at their book.

I would like to forward my praise to IASbet for being reasonable in the situation and siding with me on an issue that could have gone either way. Beattownjim, thanks for your support too and your never ending CAPS ONLY POSTS!

Oh and glitch, I got Griffin at +238, I decided to grab him at those odds after all 38 ESPN analysts unanymously chose Griffin to win Rookie of the Year.

Dunder · 02-05-10, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by forsberg21

Ok, the verdict is in.

IASbet has refunded my wager on the basis that I use the refund to place wagers at their book.

I would like to forward my praise to IASbet for being reasonable in the situation and siding with me on an issue that could have gone either way. Beattownjim, thanks for your support too and your never ending CAPS ONLY POSTS!

Oh and glitch, I got Griffin at +238, I decided to grab him at those odds after all 38 ESPN analysts unanymously chose Griffin to win Rookie of the Year.

Congrats., nice to see a player catch a break now and again.

Iwinyourmoney · 02-05-10, 05:23 PM

Talk about a lucky break

BEANTOWNJIM · 02-05-10, 05:32 PM

I AM GLAD YOU GOT YOUR MONEY

ALL SPORTSBOOKS SHOULD START PUTTING THESE BETS IN WRITING ITS A NO BRAINER IF A PLAYER NEVER STEPS ON THE COURT OF FIELD IN A REGULAR SEASON GAME YOU CANT GRADE A FUTURE IN THE SPORTSBOOKS FAVOR THATS HIGHWAY ROBBERY

I HOPE NOW ALL SPORTSBOOK ARE MORE SPECIFIC WITH THE FUTURE BETS

DOMINATER · 02-05-10, 06:05 PM

Was there an official scratch

DOMINATER · 02-05-10, 06:08 PM

Stevek, your avatar is one of the nicest i've seen you have good taste

The General · 02-07-10, 11:26 AM

Good to hear, Sir.

Thanks for posting the situation.

THE HITMAN · 02-08-10, 06:25 PM

Sorry man.........I am just saying what I think, but I agree with Madmaxx. Gotta rule with the book this time. Again, sorry, but that's what a future is. If for some reason a plane crash wiped out 3-4 top rooks(without Griffin on it) on their way to a show or something the day after you placed your bet, would you say to the book, sorry, I don't want my money if he wins because the others didn't start?