Bwin, who will stop them from stealing $ ?

[WILD WEST]

Can you see this image above, I placed it as a copy and paste, not sure it displays correctly, if not then I will try to place it again.

This is a screenshot from www.bwin.com website, when Cameroon vs Zambia match yesterday, which finished 3:2 or Cameroon won scoring the 5th goal by head on 86th minute. I think a description of this match can be found on Google, so you can see that 5th goal was a header, not shot as bwin describe.

I already posted on how Bwin cheated in the same way a German customer, there also goal was a header, Bwin declared it was by shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXbrVEQVraY

Be very careful placing such bets with Bwin, when you will be right, you will be wrong, just ask Bwin.

[WILD WEST]

Here I found a description from Eurosport how 5th goal for Cameroon was scored, it was by head.

"The match was settled in the 86th minute as Mahammadou Idrissou outjumped his marker to plant a fine header past Mweene from Geremi's long ball forward."

Link here:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/17012010/58/african-cup-nations-cameroon-prevail-thriller.html

It's really terrible how Bwin is cheating it's customers and steals money from the winners.

[Dunder]

Dude. Every post you have made on this forum to date is somehow related to Bwin (cheating, fixing Real Madrid matches etc.)

If you don´t like them, why are you still playing there?

[Justin7]

I can't easily read your images. What was the wager that was misgraded?

[WILD WEST]

Reply to Dunder and Justin7,

Dunder, I don't bet anymore with Bwin after they stole 1000EUR from me, (I have now PartyBets superior CS, no problems with withdrawals but more poor selection of markets than my other book which is Ladbrokes, poor and very slow CS but their casino platform was checked by PricewaterhouseCooper for fairness such as using in all their games RNG random number generator software and their markets on sports are superior, plus very high security being paid!), I just posted it for other players to see, how goal was scored by head and they will not pay a winner but state it was by shot. What else one needs to see that Bwin is a bunch of criminals and crooks.
I don't hate anybody, I know that in online betting scam is an everyday issue. But Bwin is an exception in this kind of scam, because their size is above average from hundreds of online betting companies.

Justin7,
I see images very good even after I logged off and from a different computers, LG X120 and Sony Vaio VGN, both use IE8. If the images can't be seen, please provide me your email where I will attach image as JPG file and you then please post it here.

[JohnAnthony]

Was this a "next scoring method" bet?

[Dunder]

OK Fair enough. I don´t like Bwin myself, they have a habit of wanting to put up early lines and canceling bets when their numbers are out.
In my experience they are not outright cheats, however.

[WILD WEST]

Reply to JohnAnthony,
with some bookmakers you can bet how a goal will be scored ex. by shot, by head, own goal etc.
My point here is that if you would bet (African Cup on Nations which is now in Angola is very watched by millions of people because it is shown on Eurosport a free channel and many of them bet.
Imagine yourself placing a 100EUR bet that 5th goal (bookmakers call it next goal) will be a header, your reward can be around 200-300%, then you watch TV and you see it is a header, you go to Bwin account and see they state it was by shot, how you will feel then, when millions of people see in slow motion it was by head and only Bwin says it was by shot and your wager is lost!

Reply to Dunder,
Bwin can't cheat every customer all the time and I doubt they would do it like this, but what if you will be this one cheated customer from 1000 happy customers, will you care about 1000 happy ones?
Look again in the image, they write there in the middle below result, 85:40 Goal for Cameroon (by shot) 3:2

Can you see the screenshot image correctly?

[Dunder]

Reply to Dunder,
Bwin can't cheat every customer all the time and I doubt they would do it like this, but what if you will be this one cheated customer from 1000 happy customers, will you care about 1000 happy ones?
Look again in the image, they write there in the middle below result, 85:40 Goal for Cameroon (by shot) 3:2

Can you see the screenshot image correctly?

Yes. I can see the image and it incorrectly says that the 5th goal was scored by shot. That, however does not demonstrate that it was graded that way.

I have not seen any complaints on this forum or any of the Euro forums from customers who claim that this goal was settled/graded incorrectly.

You have had a issue with Bwin in the past, I understand that - I have had my share of issues with bookies - but when every one of your posts is negative towards a book that you no longer play at, it just makes you appear to be bitter and you are thus, not persuasive.

[Jimmy0607]

Bwin are fukkin cheats

[WILD WEST]

Dunder,
you must be a very funny person, thank you very much for posting replies to my threads and please continue doing this because I value your replies.
What do you mean "persuasive", I am showing facts here, not persuading anybody.
There is nothing stronger than the fact, that's why I posted this thread to show all present and potential Bwin customers that Bwin is cheating. Because betting is allowed only from age 18 plus, this people will decide after reading my thread if Bwin is a right sport book and casino for them.

Jimmy0607,
thank you very much as well, you are 100% right brother.

[Dunder]

The only fact that you have shown is that Bwin incorrectly showed the 5th goal was a shot an not a header.

For the cheating claim to be a fact, you would have to show:

a) That bets on "header" were graded as losers
b) That faced with complaints, Bwin did not change this.

You have no shown this therefore, you cannot claim that Bwin cheating, in this case, is a fact.

Your ´Real Madrid game was fixed´ thread demonstrates to me quite clearly that you deal with suppositions (poor ones) and have an agenda against Bwin (no problem to me, as I said, I don´t like them either) and try to spin them as facts.

If you have a legitimate complaint against any book, the "Sportsbook and Industry" forum is probably the best place to post it. There is also a complaint form there if you wish to enlist SBRs assistance. Most of the guys in PT are American and cannot even play at Bwin.

[WILD WEST]

Dunder,
I don't hate anybody and have nothing against Bwin now, there are probably much worse books.
I just watched this video on YouTube where a German customer shows that Bwin betrug and they cheated him in the same way, how a goal will be scored and yes, they stole a lot of money from him and he was not paid. So what I show is the fact, Bwin in purpose cheat their customers by showing this goal was by shot, I prove it was by head.
Let you have a good working day and people reading this decide for themselves.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=bwin+ist+betrug&rls=com.microsoft:de:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7LGEL

Complaints about Bwin scam are found internationally, believe me not only you, Americans, read SBR.

[Sawyer]

Bwin is not a good book specially for professional players. They lower your limits fast and even they can suspend your account. Stay away from Bwin, enough said.. (not to mention, their odds are not good)

[Busterflywheel]

I have read alot of BAD stuff on several forums on BWIN..I tend to stick with Pinn, Rebate Wager, Loose and Bodog..

[WILD WEST]

Sawyer and Busterflywheel just to say thanks.
I was betting at PartyBets (just closed this account because after losing 3600EUR was offered only 10$ bonus after betting on over 100 sport games, they are very safe paying book and CS is superb, just write them e-mail they will call you back immediately, on the down side they offer average odds with very limited markets on sports) now I amback at Ladbrokes, lost there also about 9000EUR but they offered VIP status with good bonuses, always pay and offer huge selection of games only their sport odds are very average and CS is very slow to e-mail back, the only online casino to be checked for fairness by PricewaterhouseCoopers and they confirmed all Ladbrokes games use random number generator software.

[Jaug]

I would guess that it was a mistake in this instance. Bwin seems to make a lot of grading mistakes and they seem to have the lowest intelligence customer support of all books, and that is saying something.

[Yabatumba]

Sawyer and Busterflywheel just to say thanks.
I was betting at PartyBets (just closed this account because after losing 3600EUR was offered only 10$ bonus after betting on over 100 sport games, they are very safe paying book and CS is superb, just write them e-mail they will call you back immediately, on the down side they offer average odds with very limited markets on sports) now I amback at Ladbrokes, lost there also about 9000EUR but they offered VIP status with good bonuses, always pay and offer huge selection of games only their sport odds are very average and CS is very slow to e-mail back, the only online casino to be checked for fairness by PricewaterhouseCoopers and they confirmed all Ladbrokes games use random number generator software.

= €12 600.

Then maybe perhaps It's about time that you stop betting?

[WILD WEST]

Jaug,
of course it was a mistake, very big mistake considering every sport game has a bookies expert sitting on the soft chair and watching the game. If on Eurosport in slow motion clearly could be seen it was a header, why Bwin expert watching this game stated it was by shot. This is not the first time shit happens at Bwin, I simply don't trust them exactly for such mistakes that will cost dearly and then go prove them it was by head, they don't even respond to e-mails if they think they're right.

Yatumba,
you are right brother, losing money is a very unpleasant feeling, but from the age of 18 I see myself as a money loser and I never achieved anything significant, never made real money and all I have just slips between my fingers. Money really hate me, but everything must be looked at from a different perspective, if I lost 12,000EUR in gambling, I know a person who lost about $5,000,000 in Las Vegas playing there for 20 years, today he is homeless, has no children, no wife so to him I am a super winner. I am not complaining about my life, it is very interesting and I am very happy, but regarding material side of life I am poor like a church rat, real money loser, a victim.
It's like a punishment, like some God tells me: YOU WILL NEVER BE RICH, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER and till now it is true. So I really lost a lot of money and you are right, I must be very careful and bet not as before minimum 100-1000EUR per bet, but 10-100EUR max.