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  • SBR_John
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-12-05
    • 16471

    #1
    One more SBR casino threads.
    I am going to ask that a history of every card ever flipped by the SBR casino be placed in a database file so it can be audited. We will see once and for all how random the software provider's random number generator really is.

    This software is used by most of the sportsbooks out there.

    I want to set it up so we could see, for example, the distribution of cards when the dealer had say a face card showing. Obviously he he should get a 2 as often as he gets a King. In every hand the dealer and player have there should be an even distribution of cards drawn. So if you have any two cards and click draw, you should get the same number of each card in the deck over a large sample with some minor variances of course.

    I do believe the RNG is accurate. But who knows? If it is proven to be materially inaccurate(in my judgment) then SBR will need to make good with everyone who played.

    This exercise will tell us either the random number generator is faulty or we have all been on a cold streak. .
  • UntilTheNDofTimE
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 05-29-08
    • 9285

    #2
    Trying to get off the hook? I want all my points back
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    • Bread
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 03-16-08
      • 23726

      #3
      PPL who bitch about online casinos crack me up.

      Do I like them? No. Not my thing. But I've recently (finally) lost my taste for all casino games. When you think the most unbelievable thing CAN'T happen...it does.

      Casino games are there to pass some time, make some friends, get some free drinks. Stop bitching bitches.

      SBR Johnny!
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      • UntilTheNDofTimE
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 05-29-08
        • 9285

        #4
        Hey bread.....

        STFU
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        • tacomax
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 08-10-05
          • 9619

          #5
          Yeah, STFU.
          Originally posted by pags11
          SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
          Originally posted by BuddyBear
          I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
          Originally posted by curious
          taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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          • yisman
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 09-01-08
            • 75682

            #6
            Bread, I want my free drinks.
            [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
            [/quote]

            [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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            • Bread
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-16-08
              • 23726

              #7
              SBR needs to offer free drinks with their casino games. Now we're talking! WILLIE BEE!!!

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              • onthewhat
                Restricted User
                • 05-14-08
                • 15411

                #8
                I like SBR John, guy is a players advocate

                Johnny get me some points if I log in tomorrow, I am a loyal poster
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                • acarmelo1
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 09-29-09
                  • 6321

                  #9
                  GIMME MY POINTS BACK
                  please
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                  • StraitShooter
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 07-22-09
                    • 10464

                    #10
                    I was driving along the highway today thinking about SBR points..we need a telephone number we can call in our points bets..You could make the phone bet minimum 25 points
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                    • Dunder
                      Restricted User
                      • 10-26-09
                      • 3345

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SBR_John
                      I am going to ask that a history of every card ever flipped by the SBR casino be placed in a database file so it can be audited. We will see once and for all how random the software provider's random number generator really is.

                      This software is used by most of the sportsbooks out there.

                      I want to set it up so we could see, for example, the distribution of cards when the dealer had say a face card showing. Obviously he he should get a 2 as often as he gets a King. In every hand the dealer and player have there should be an even distribution of cards drawn. So if you have any two cards and click draw, you should get the same number of each card in the deck over a large sample with some minor variances of course.

                      I do believe the RNG is accurate. But who knows? If it is proven to be materially inaccurate(in my judgment) then SBR will need to make good with everyone who played.

                      This exercise will tell us either the random number generator is faulty or we have all been on a cold streak. .
                      That is all well and good. When the analysis is complete, however and it demonstrates that the card games are square, precisely zero of the "it´s rigged crew" are going to be convinced.
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                      • Bread
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 03-16-08
                        • 23726

                        #12
                        Originally posted by onthewhat
                        I like SBR John, guy is a players advocate Johnny get me some points if I log in tomorrow, I am a loyal poster
                        Exquisite use of the age old art of sucking up-beggin...all in the same sentence. Herman you are on in a million.

                        No, really. You are on in a million.
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                        • LLXC
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 12-10-06
                          • 8972

                          #13
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                          • Immortality
                            Restricted User
                            • 12-20-07
                            • 4599

                            #14
                            Originally posted by onthewhat
                            I like SBR John, guy is a players advocate

                            Johnny get me some points if I log in tomorrow, I am a loyal poster
                            OnTheSack at it again
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                            • The General
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 08-10-05
                              • 13279

                              #15
                              A player cannot play perfect strategy and win longterm with the software. I have no doubt about that. The software will typically give the player a taste of winning so to get the players confidence. My minor success has only came from being able to take the small taste of profit, then get away until the next time, repeating. As well, I have to walk away when I get down early. Just like betting sports, I cannot chase my losses. IMO, if you can grab $1 a day from an on line casino then that is great. Any amount over $1 is even greater. Most players will never win longterm in any on line casino because it is to addictive and no amount of winnings seems to ever be enough.
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                              • Bread
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 03-16-08
                                • 23726

                                #16
                                I see the future.

                                Post from SBR_John in the near future:

                                "I have no idea where The General is. I will have to check to see what he's up to. Expect him to post very soon. He had some other projects he was working on, but I expect him to be posting again real soon. I can be as dumb as you want me to be."



                                MERRY EASTER EVERYONE!!
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                                • Carseller4
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 10-22-09
                                  • 19627

                                  #17
                                  We need a weekly rebate....I don't care if it is 5 or 10%....Something!
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                                  • jjgold
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 07-20-05
                                    • 388179

                                    #18
                                    Bread settle down you fuk

                                    I will fukkin bury you

                                    get lost troublemakero
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                                    • Bread
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 03-16-08
                                      • 23726

                                      #19
                                      JJ I am wise beyond my balls. I see all. I know all.

                                      JJ I will pass judgment on you. Slow your roll.

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                                      • jjgold
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 07-20-05
                                        • 388179

                                        #20
                                        Bread how is casino?

                                        Lol!

                                        Are you posting from tables?
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                                        • Bread
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 03-16-08
                                          • 23726

                                          #21
                                          JJ leaving in less than an hour. Will head home around 8am. I'm gonna try to hook up a 3-some with a random good looking spanish dood.

                                          JJ it's all about giving. I want to give Robyn something to play with.
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                                          • Robyn
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 02-05-08
                                            • 9681

                                            #22
                                            Hahaaaaaaaa, trying to re-live three years ago??
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                                            • Bread
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 03-16-08
                                              • 23726

                                              #23
                                              Robyn that dood was gay. I'm positive.
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                                              • SBR_John
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 07-12-05
                                                • 16471

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Dunder
                                                That is all well and good. When the analysis is complete, however and it demonstrates that the card games are square, precisely zero of the "it´s rigged crew" are going to be convinced.
                                                We will give the access to the database of every card dealt to anyone who wishes to do their own audit. SBR will maintain the database of every card dealt in real time so continued testing can occur.

                                                I will offer my opinion on random number generators. There is no such thing. Computerized random number generators were well known to have slight defects in the early days. In the last 7 or so years RNG's were improved so much one could almost proclaim they were perfect.

                                                Now lets say someone wanted to cheat and lets say the RNG is fine. A programmer could simply remove lets say the Ace of clubs and Queen of diamonds from the deck. That is why we need SBR to keep dynamic logs available to all.
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                                                • JetsMatt85
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 12-01-09
                                                  • 393

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by onthewhat
                                                  I like SBR John, guy is a players advocate

                                                  Johnny get me some points if I log in tomorrow, I am a loyal poster
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                                                  • tblues2005
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 07-30-06
                                                    • 9235

                                                    #26
                                                    Very good work SBR John.
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                                                    • pavyracer
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 04-12-07
                                                      • 82897

                                                      #27
                                                      I thought SBR John is not involved with day to day operations and does not know about personnel issues. Now he wants to fix the casino after stealing posters hard earned points?
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                                                      • tltaylor89
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 06-19-09
                                                        • 19610

                                                        #28
                                                        lol just block youre casino you will start seeing gains in points
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                                                        • Dunder
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 10-26-09
                                                          • 3345

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                          We will give the access to the database of every card dealt to anyone who wishes to do their own audit. SBR will maintain the database of every card dealt in real time so continued testing can occur.

                                                          I will offer my opinion on random number generators. There is no such thing. Computerized random number generators were well known to have slight defects in the early days. In the last 7 or so years RNG's were improved so much one could almost proclaim they were perfect.

                                                          Now lets say someone wanted to cheat and lets say the RNG is fine. A programmer could simply remove lets say the Ace of clubs and Queen of diamonds from the deck. That is why we need SBR to keep dynamic logs available to all.
                                                          I don´t disagree with that, a computerised RNG will never be perfect. But today´s are close enough to make no discernible difference to game play or house edge.

                                                          I should state that I have no axe to grind here, I don´t play -EV games except very occasionally at a real casino for entertainment only.

                                                          I would love to see the results of any analysis that is done.

                                                          The idea that a programmer would try to make the games even more biased against the player doesn´t make much sense to me (at least when we are talking about reputable sites). Can you begin to imagine how much the likes of Ladbrokes or Betfair would have to lose (both in terms of reputation and legal claims) if games were proved to be rigged?
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