BeantownJim: We Hate Price Gouging

[Shahbucks]

Jimmy I do not give a fuk what the line is, I want to bet -110 like old school, bookies did.

They never price gouged before so obviously there was no problems or issues

[Nicky Santoro]

i agree with the 20 cent line.. it's not good.. but this is not about -130/+110.. it's about -130/+120, too... you and jj are saying that everything should be -110 each way.. not going to happen. if books change their rules and everything becomes -110, i will be living in a 5 million dollar , 9 bedroom mansion on the pacific ocean within 4 yrs..

[BEANTOWNJIM]

NICKY DO YOU PLAY AT BET PHOENIX? CHECK OUT THERE LINES I AM ON THE -105 PROGRAM I THINK THERE LINES ARE VERY HONEST I CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LINES THEY GIVE BECAUSE THEY DONT GOUGE YOU.VERY FEW GAMES ARE `-120 AND IF THEY ARE YOUR TAKING BACK +110

I JUST CANT BEAT THESE F-CKS LATELY

5 DIMES ALSO HAS GOOD LINES BUT BET JAMAICA IS NO DOUBT GOUGING THE PLAYERS YOU CANT DISPUTE THIS

[Nicky Santoro]

i love betphoenix to death.. great book..despite being down close to 300k there in 2.5 months, i do love them.. i love their lines.. i love their -105 each way.. i love their limits. i love their website and i love richie and fred.. my only complaint is that i can't fukkin beat those sons a bitches.. no matter what i bet, i lose.. i am starting to lose my patience..

[Shahbucks]

You could just pass up the game. Which is what the books want.

[BEANTOWNJIM]

Nicky here is a small sample of bet phoenix's -105 lines for this week great lines no gouging

pitt -3 -105
clev +3 -105

indy -7 even
den +7 -110

jets -3 -117
tampa +3 +107

vikings -7 -109
bengals +7 -101

this is the lines i want to see not one game where your laying -130 0n any game not one these are fair lines this is all i want

f-ck bet jamaica and there gouging on lines

nicky how do you like the lines at bet phoenix compared to bet jamaica

[Nicky Santoro]

beantown, i am shocked you haven't figured out who you are talking to.. i was your 1st buddy you ever met at rx.. we hit it off from day 1 when you joined rx. i was there in 99, you came very early 2001.. we have been best friends since.. we hven't spoke in 2 yrs.. people used to alwys think we were the same person.. i remember you became South boston Jim and then porky pig at MW.. how many people remember that.. well i do.. we really were pals.. we had a few good laughs in the past.. i can't believe you don't know. i thought for sure you'd figure it out when i mentioned montreal today. you are not that bright beantown..

anyways, welcome back jimmy.. i have a feeling you are going to stay at SBR.. this is your home. anwys, get out of Betjamaica.. they have shitty lines..

[yisman]

F-CK OFF PISMAN I HAVE BEEN POSTING LIKE THIS FOR YEARS I DONT CHANGE MY STYLE FOR ANYBODY.

Pal, you're messing with the wrong guy here.

You get one warning.

[BEANTOWNJIM]

NICKY YOU ARE ONE F-CKED UP GUY I HAVENT BET AT BET JAMAICA IN 2 YEARS I HAVE BEEN TELLING EVERYBODY SCOTTY HAS BEEN GOUGING FOR 3 YEARS NOW.NICKY SANTORO ISNT A HOUEHOLD NAME I ONLY REMEMBER THE HALL OF FAME POSTERS REMEMBER THAT NIT WIT DENNIS THE MAN OVER AT THE RX MAN THAT KID PISSED ME OFF MORE THAN ANYBODY IN FORUM HISTORY HE USED TO PRETEND HE WAS RETARDED THEN I FOUND OUT HE REALLY WAS RETARDED I FELT AWFULL I WONDER IF HE DIED DENNIS THE MAN NOBODY WOULD REMEMBER HIM BUT THE OLDTIMERS.I USED TO CALL HIM DENNIS THE DUNCE AND HE WOULD CALL ME BEANTOWNBUM THE F-CKING KID COULDNT SPELL FOR SHIT HE WAS BRAIN DEAD.

NICKY YOU WILL LOVE THIS ONE I ALWAYS TELL THIS STORY I WAS IN A BASEBALL CONTEST AT THE RX AND I TOLD DENNIS I WAS GOING TO KICK HIS ARSE IN THE CONTEST.REMEMBER NICKY DENNIS THE MAN COULDNT SPELL SO HE WROTE DOWN (TRONT) AS ONE OF HIS BASEBALL PICKS.I STARTED YELLING AT BUCSFAN OR WHOEVER WAS GRADING THE CONTEST HEY WHAT THE F-CK IS TRONT IF THIS F-CKING IDIOT CANT SPELL HE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF THE CONTEST.I SAID WITH DENNIS THE MAN TRONT COULD ALSO BE TEXAS THE WAY HE SPELLS.DENNIS GOT BULLSHIT F-CK YOU BUM HE SAYS I HOPE YOU GET HIT BY A CAR TODAYWE NEED GUYS LIKE DENNIS THE MAN THEY COME ALONG ONCE EVERY 20 YEARS.(WHERE IS DENNIS THE MAN)
LENNY AND THE CASCADE RIP OFF GOT ME BANNED FROM A LOT OF FORUMS EVERYBODY WAS PROTECTING LENNY AND THEY DIDNT WANT ME TALKING ABOUT IT SI I HAD TO CHANGE MY IDENTITY FROM TIME TO TIME TO LOG IN.I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BEANTOWNJIM I DONT HAVE ANY OTHER NAMES AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN A GHOST ONE IDENTITY.

THE ONLY GUY I REMEMBER FROM MONTREAL NICKY WAS SICK GAMBLER HE WAS A LEGEND I WILL NEVER FORGET THE TIME HE MET CLEVFAN BOY THOSE WERE THE GOOD OLD DAYS

I LIKE THIS SBR FORUM SEEMS LIKE A BUNCH OF GOOD DUYS AND JJGOLD IS A LEGEND I WOULD LEAVE IN A MINUTE IF MOFOME EVER CAME BACK CERTAIN MODERATORS I JUST CANT GET ALONG WITH AND HE SUCKS

[acw]

Good to see that not that much has changed over the years.
Here an old beantownjim post:

Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:46 PM
i cant believe i wasted my time reading this crap i to am a member at nab and i found all there lines to be the same as wsex and other shops.i think sick gambler has been playing with himself to much if he expects us to believe a a kid from montreal who lives at home is betting big money on sports this guy is a born loser ill bet anybody he doesnt bet over 200 dollars a game.notice how bill didnt tell us how his star customer is doing like mark del used to say.if sick gambler was winning thousands of dollars wouldnt bill have said yes we are paying this guy because we like to keep our high rollers happy.I THINK THIS NIT WIT SICK GAMBLER IS LIVING IN Fantasy LAND AND WANTS TO BE A BIG HITTER LIKE HIS BUDDY BEANTOWNJIM.

im playing at gibraltar this is the best sportsbook free payouts,10 cent lines,AND THEY DONT GOUGE YOU ON TOTALS LIKE NEW AGE SPORTS DOES MARINERS UNDER 9 1/2 TONIGHT LAY 135 GO F-CK YOURSELF IM LAYING 120 AT THE ROCK.

But the real fun in those old days was that books would come in and respond:

Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:04 PM
BEANTOWN

I thought you were more educated then that post on gambling, and I am not trying to insult you only help you understand.

You say 9 Under 35 is gouging you and you had to lay 9 under somehwere else. What happens if you liked over then the exact oppoiste would take place and the other shop would be gouging you according to that logic.

Remeber there arent bad lines . ( only wrong lines) If you see a line you dont like , like the mariner under some people might love it who are playing the over.

I hope that helps

[yisman]

best part is that someone from a book would take him seriously.

[acw]

best part is that someone from a book would take him seriously.

Bill did not and books in fact should listen to guys like beantownjim!
How can one otherwise make money:

Friday, July 26, 2002 2:33 AM
Bill,

Can you please explain to us how New Age Bets can earn a profit by offering online wagering at drastically reduced juice (like Pinnacle), yet still provide cs by phone and a plentitude of esoteric props?

If you have a profitable business model, why do you believe it hasn't been embraced by other books?

If you are not yet profitable, how and when do you expect to become so? Or is your intent merely to build enough of a customer base to interest a potential acquirer?

Also, with New Age Bets' recent move to Costa Rica, while NAB remained in Margarita, what can you tell us about the effect, if any, of this split on either book's ownership or financial backing?

Not trying to bust your balls, but as you said yourself, this is a time to worry about offshore books.

Reality's reappearance as I Bin Bookin reminds me how rare it is to see someone from the books' side willing to publicly discuss the industry, as you have, and I, for one, appreciate it.

Thanks.

The response was a real beauty:

Friday, July 26, 2002 10:15 AM
PARLAYTHIS

No I will not explain how our company earns a profit. We are not a public company and work very hard at what we do. We do not have any interest in answering questions about how we turn a profit. We work to hard over here to share secrets like that.

I apologize but if I were you and you found a way to make money I wouldnt be sharing that all over the internet for free with anyone who wanted to know.

You brought up PINNACLE who is by far the best book out there right now. OLYMPIC went way down on the list of best books out there and I dont know why you cant see it. They offer a 20 cent line in basbeall so how any customer can say they are still a top notch book is beyond me.

They also have AUSSVAMPIRE working for them and in my opinion that is a terrible person to have posting in the forums while working for a book. I dont ever see people from books in here insulting other books. He has no class and that to me reflects on his company bigtime.

So PINNICLE in my opinion is by far the best book out there. You brought them up . Well how do they do it? Do they want to share it with you? Are you doubting their success?

I can assure you they are HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and have a ton of moneyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

We are nowhere near them yet but we are trying our best.

I would love to help you in any way I can but explaining to you how we turn a profit is not one of them.

I hope you understand.

Good luck Bill

[yisman]

looks to me like bill did, which was his first mistake.

[Sunde91]

This may be one of the greatest threads in SBR history.

Don't know how it couldn't be with 3 of the biggest legends, and the most entertaining posters to read on the entire fuking internet, all in one thread; Nicky, BTJ, and jj

[KingKing]

[yisman]

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/671747-bet-jamaica-crooks-price-gouging.html

9 months later, another thread with the same idea.

No idea why he thinks -110/-110 is so much better than -135/+115, but hey...

[acw]

No idea why he thinks -110/-110 is so much better than -135/+115, but hey...

It is not. In fact -135/+115 has a lower juice than -110/-110. It is for that reason that Caribbean books have gone broke.

Here in Asia though we are dealing with a much nastier form of price gouging; it being that 1.90/1.90 (-111/-111)becomes 1.65/2.15 (-154/+115).