Notre Dame has contacted Nick Saban!!!

The Seer · 11-25-09, 05:10 PM

Zboiz, they play everything on both sides in high school because they are better athletes than everyone else.
Notice Spurries says talent not brains.
SEC is tough up front

Mike Detillier Sports Correspondent Published: Saturday, July 4, 2009 at 10:32 p.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, July 4, 2009 at 10:32 p.m.
A couple of years ago at the Southeastern Conference Media Days, South Carolina head football coach Steve Spurrier said the difference between the SEC and the rest of college football is superior talent on SEC defenses.

“No conference plays defense like the Southeastern Conference does, year in and year out,” Spurrier said. “The talent on defense, especially up-front, is better than anything you will find in another conference.”
Spurrier’s words are proven truthful when we look at the starting defensive linemen in the NFL.
While numbers will change during training camp, the SEC leads in projected starters at defensive end and defensive tackle in the NFL.
Derrick Burgess (Mississippi State), Jamal Anderson (Arkansas), Antwan Odom (Alabama), John Abraham (South Carolina), Shaun Ellis, Robert Ayers and Leonard Little (Tennessee), Tyson Jackson, Marcus Spears and Glenn Dorsey (LSU), Jevon Kearse, Derrick Harvey and Alex Brown (Florida) and Richard Seymour, Charles Grant, Robert Geathers and Phillip Daniels (Georgia), make up 17 potential starters at defensive end, putting the SEC in front of the rest of college football .
The SEC also has an advantage at projected starters at defensive tackle in the NFL.
The SEC has 14 projected starters at defensive tackle for 2009 including Jason Ferguson and Marcus Stroud (Georgia), Peria Jerry and Kendrick Clancy (Ole Miss), Kyle Williams (LSU), Patrick Sims and Jay Ratliff (Auburn), Tommy Kelly and Ronald Fields (Mississippi State), Gerard Warren (Florida), Cornelius Griffin (Alabama) and John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth and Aubrayo Franklin (Tennessee). Vanderbilt defensive tackle Jovan Haye, a veteran free agent signee with the Tennessee Titans, should press for a starting spot due to the loss of Haynesworth to the Washington Redskins.
With players like Greg Hardy and Ted Laurent (Ole Miss), Carlos Dunlap and Jermaine Cunningham (Florida), Jeff Owens and Geno Atkins (Georgia), Dan Williams (Tennessee), Rahim Alem, Al Woods and Drake Nevis (LSU), Terrence Cody (Alabama), Antonio Coleman (Auburn) and Arkansas’ Malcolm Sheppard waiting in the wings the SEC is again loaded with talent on the defensive line.

ZBOIZ · 11-25-09, 05:15 PM

You are right Seer thats the BIG step thats different in the SEC is the speed up front with the D lines are much faster! Everything you are saying is true but I tell you this. Yes they are tremendous athletes, but most who switch lacked something on the offensive side, that's my point.

For example there was consideration to move my nephew at Bama to the secondary and he has never played a down of defense in high school, but he's such a great athlete they want to put him on the field! But as you know bama is deep at running back and thats what he plays!

The Seer · 11-25-09, 05:37 PM

There is always an exception but this always the overwhelming thought. Have the best athletes on defense.

Here's more:

Kentucky has improved because of DEFENSIVE TALENT.
Q. There's five coaches in the league that have won national titles. Some have won Bowl games. Talk about what it's like coaching in this league, the level of competition.
COACH BROOKS: Well, I think it goes without saying that the coaching talent in this league is unbelievably high. It's a great league from X and O standpoint, coaching expertise. Nobody in the country can even come close to saying they have five coaches in their league that have won national championships.
It is a league of great talent. Defensive speed is outstanding in this league. And just day-to-day, week-to-week great league.

Q. You mentioned your defense. Could you elaborate on how it will be better and how integral that is to the fact that you all have closed the gap?
COACH BROOKS: Well, I think that, first of all, defense in this league is what has ended up winning the championships. You look at LSU last year. They were an outstanding defensive team. Florida the year before was an outstanding defensive football team. Yeah, were they good on offense? Yeah, they were really good, but they were great on defense.
We haven't been great on defense. We've gotten better. Two years ago we had a great year of take-aways, but we gave up too many yards, too many points, too many third- down conversions. Last year we gave up fewer yards, our take- aways weren't quite as impressive. Our third-down defense still wasn't quite as good.
But we now have what I would call quality, all-SEC- type defensive players. In the secondary, Trevard Lindley, Marcus McClinton. At linebacker, Micah Johnson, Braxton Kelley. In the defensive line, Jeremy Jarmon, Myron Pryor, Corey Peters; you know, Jenkins. We've got guys that belong in this league on defense. And we haven't had that at every position in the last five years.
I believe we have people lining up on 11 positions on defense that can start at a lot of schools in our league, and I'm talking about a lot of the big-name schools. So I think that this now has a chance to be clearly the best defensive team that I've had.
We need that to happen this year if we want to be viable because the best teams in this league have great defenses. And we haven't been a great defense. We've been improving, getting better. But I believe that this year you're gonna see a significant step on the defensive side at the University of Kentucky.

Q. You've been in the NFL where teams seemed to be locked in often in sort of height, weight and speed at different positions, those parameters. How much do you bring that to the college game? How much do you follow that sort of same blueprint when you're recruiting?
COACH BROOKS: Well, I believe -- you know, I sit up here and talk about we finally have some SEC-looking guys in our defensive front, and the speed. So I think it's very important. But I also think it's important whether a guy's a football player or not.

Here's a typical high school coach:

The Courier-Journal

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20091112/SPORTS06/911120381/Highlanders-plan-%E2%80%98to-put-up-a-fight%5C--against-Center-Grove

“We really stacked our defense with our better athletes,” Center Grove coach Eric Moore said. “We had to build that first after losing so much. We put our heart and soul in that, and they've been playing to their ability (allowing 12.2 points per game).

Here's an article which talks about Alabama having better and more defensive recruits:

The Decimated Defense, Part II: the Statisticating | mgoblog

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/decimated-defense-part-ii-statisticating

[Editor's note: holy hell, man. This is like a PhD thesis.] It hits you like a thousand knives stabbing you all over your body. You can't breathe. You can't think. At least, not about anything but the pain. I'm searching for a metaphor. Amidst the phantom flags and the Angry Michigan Hating Bounces and the dropping of babies on 3rd down on Saturday you could not possibly have missed a notable lack of competency in the 11 guys tasked with making sure the other guys score less than we do, otherwise referred to as "Michigan's Defense." This is Part II of the afore-bumped diary "The Decimated Defense," a look at what has happened to turn Michigan's once vaunted defense into.. I don't have a metaphor... Something that has a lot of really shiny beautiful parts, that ostensibly looks like something grand and wonderful, but like with some major defect or hole in it, from which pours in death and destruction... In the wake of, well, that, I'm sure that you, as I, need to understand what happened to Michigan's defense, how we got here, will it get better, and can it be avoided again? In the first of this series, I went through Michigan's last five classes to see if we could find where and what went wrong in defensive recruiting to lead us to a day when Jordan Kovacs was all that stood between the program and the bottom of the sea. We looked at the cheap rivets, the lack of safety training, and missing life boats, while Brian UFR'ed a really big iceburg. It was long, and mostly stuff you already knew, and at one point you had to fix yourself a sandwich, but at the end we identified two factors that were very likely contributors: Small classes High attrition Today we put that in context. I compared the current rosters to the recruited rosters of Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Penn State, Michigan State and Alabama, to see how each of these teams were built, and what was lost along the way, in order to understand why should so many other luxury liners and loveable tugboats and whatnot stay dry as we face a watery grave? (Excel spreadsheet lives here.) Recruiting: Quantity and Quality Rose: The fall alone would kill you. Jack: It would hurt. I'm not saying it wouldn't. Tell you the truth, I'm a lot more concerned about that water being so cold. Here's how Michigan stacked up in pure defensive recruiting from 2005 through 2009 (Rivals ratings used): Michigan Alabama MSU Notre Dame Ohio State Penn State 2-stars 2 8 24 1 4 9 3-stars 20 34 30 22 20 18 4-stars 23 37 10 19 32 23 5-stars 3 4 0 1 3 2 TOTAL 48 83 64 43 59 52 This counts every recruit that came in ready to play defense, except athletes who played their entire careers on offense. It also includes offensive recruits later moved to defense. It excludes walk-ons. Many nuggets here. Let us bullet: Notre Dame fans who blame recruiting for some of their woes have a beef. Their classes have been highly ranked, but even smaller than paltry Michigan's! Bama LOL Michigan and Penn State recruited pretty similarly. The big difference was that PSU brought in 7 more 2-stars. Michigan and Ohio State both recruited 20 players of 3-star caliber, and 3 blue chips, but OSU had 9 more 4-star players during that time. Michigan State clearly isn't in the same recruiting league as these others. They're basically averaging one lower star per recruit ...but out of a respectable class size. Even so, Alabama had more 3-star defensive recruits over this time than Michigan State. Michigan's closest recruiting analogue here is Penn State, with the high-end (4-5 star) recruiting separated by one more 5-star guy for us. You can call Notre Dame basically a Michigan-light. If anything, the Fighting Irish have been even pickier about talent than U-M, OSU and PSU, except they haven't been as successful at reeling in the big fish as any of the major schools profiled. For these schools, the distribution seems weighted slightly toward the top, but their bell curves are only slightly ahead of OSU and Bama. However, when placed beside each other, it's easy to see how large amounts of recruits can generate a much more sizeable talent pool from which to draw starters. So recruiting tells a story, but certainly not the story. Certainly, Alabama and Ohio State recruited the most 4- and 5-star players, and subsequently have great defenses. Michigan and Penn State should, just going by recruiting, have about the same level of defense, with maybe one more NFL-bound player in Ann Arbor, and maybe a bunch of 2-star guys backing up at Penn State instead of Michigan's walk-ons. Or it would be, if attrition was constant. We will see in the next section that it isn't. But you knew the problem wasn't just recruiting, anyway, since you know that Penn State's defense is legitimately good, and Michigan went into this season steering a pre-WWI luxury liner. First, though, while we're on pure recruiting, let's look real quick and see if it's actually the age of the recruits that matter. Since they should be theoretically the heart of a great defense, and since the distribution among all schools except Michigan State was fairly equal when it came to 4- versus 5- stars, let's just look at those two groups, and when they came in for each school (MSU left out to spare them the indignation of looking like Antarctica): Michigan Alabama Notre Dame Ohio State Penn State 2005 4 3 0 6 3 2006 6 5 2 6 8 2007 4 8 4 8 6 2008 7 15 10 6 4 2009 5 10 4 9 4 4-Star+ 26 41 20 35 25 [At this point I would ask everyone else to pause for a moment while we give Irish, who has been waiting patiently all this time, an opportunity to assign righteous blame on Ty Willingham. HE did this, precious!] Okay, so other than an '05-'06 "Domer LOL," did we get anything out of this? Penn State's great defense has a lot of high-rated juniors and seniors on it -- more than any other school. Michigan was kind of even, but actually should have had more upperclassmen than Bama or Notre Dame. Ohio State has been strong all the way through. Alabama is going to be really really good in a few years. There's nothing here to suggest Michigan should be really bad. Not yet. Moving on. The Other Shoe, of Which Its Current Gravity Situation You Were Well Aware Rose : Don't you understand? The water is freezing and there aren't enough boats. Not enough by half. Half the people on this ship are going to die. Cal: Not the better half. Cal, if you make it off that ship, and if that whole heir-to-a-robber-baron thing doesn't work out for you, you might make a fine SEC recruiting coordinator. What I'm talking about is Alabama's over-signing strategy, which has been covered many times on this blog. In short, the Crimson Tide under Saban have recruited more guys than they have scholarships for, expecting enough will find reason to get themselves expelled or booted off the team before the count becomes official. The ultimate effect is that Saban has a strong incentive not to keep troubled players, particularly less talented troubled players, in school. I bring it up now because: Def. Recruits On Roster On Roster % Michigan 48 28 58.33% Alabama 83 52 62.65% Michigan State 64 45 70.31% Penn State 52 40 76.92% Ohio State 59 46 77.97% Notre Dame 43 36 83.72% Bullets? Bullets. Michigan has had higher attrition from 2005 to 2009 than Alabama. Let's rephrase: Michigan has had higher attrition than a team that has been TRYING TO SHED PLAYERS. If Ohio State is pulling a 'Bama, there is zero evidence for it here. They have a reasonable number of recruits, and very low attrition. Penn State, as I mentioned before, is a much older team, and therefore has had a lot more time to lose guys to graduation and leaving early for the NFL and whatnot. In that light, their retention rate is pretty darn good. Michigan State and OSU ended up with about the same number of recruits on their respective rosters, while Bama was just a bit higher. Notre Dame's team is much, much younger, hence the high retention rate. Attrition has generally been higher for the teams with coaching changes in the last few years. Michigan's 28 scholarship athletes on defense may work on your pre-2005 EA Sports video game (which had a 55-player limit) but is way, way below the competition. 58.33 percent, as it turns out, is in fact quite putrid.

ZBOIZ · 11-25-09, 05:42 PM

true point

mcbaseball10 · 11-25-09, 05:55 PM

I read the Onion too.

HoldEmHook!! · 11-25-09, 08:33 PM

Z get the stick out of your ass about the state of your program.......Please post only the truth on here....that report is nothing more than a lie.....and if your nephew is realy an alabama player you wouldnt to forward this horse shit and be more concerned about his coach leaving. And the seer shit canned all of your self-proclaimed football intellect......Happy thanksgiving

ZBOIZ · 11-25-09, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by HoldEmHook!!

Z get the stick out of your ass about the state of your program.......Please post only the truth on here....that report is nothing more than a lie.....and if your nephew is realy an alabama player you wouldnt to forward this horse shit and be more concerned about his coach leaving. And the seer shit canned all of your self-proclaimed football intellect......Happy thanksgiving

Eddie Lacy you look him up asshole!

and please dont think for one second Saban would'nt leave Bama. This is a report with a source, dont get mad at me because ANOTHER reporter put this out.

ZBOIZ · 11-25-09, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by HoldEmHook!!

Z get the stick out of your ass about the state of your program.......Please post only the truth on here....that report is nothing more than a lie.....and if your nephew is realy an alabama player you wouldnt to forward this horse shit and be more concerned about his coach leaving. And the seer shit canned all of your self-proclaimed football intellect......Happy thanksgiving

I dont care if his coach leave! And thats being honest. Eddie will be Eddie regardless!

Oh by the way he wanted to go to LSU but Miles stop recruiting him. We dont know why but we think it's because of his high school discipline record. but anyway thats a story for another day.

ZBOIZ · 11-25-09, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by HoldEmHook!!

Z get the stick out of your ass about the state of your program.......Please post only the truth on here....that report is nothing more than a lie.....and if your nephew is realy an alabama player you wouldnt to forward this horse shit and be more concerned about his coach leaving. And the seer shit canned all of your self-proclaimed football intellect......Happy thanksgiving

we can still win 10 games this year

what are you talking about ? Trust me we will be favored to win the sec next year with damn near everyone returning! How about you all win something besides the SEC West this decade!

Cougar Bait · 11-25-09, 08:57 PM

Weis told to stop recruiting:

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/10386180/Irish- (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/1...ecruiting-trip)

HoldEmHook!! · 11-25-09, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by ZBOIZ

we can still win 10 games this year

what are you talking about ? Trust me we will be favored to win the sec next year with damn near everyone returning! How about you all win something besides the SEC West this decade!

At least we have won the west. LSU on the other hand cant even call a proper time out, then the coach lies three different times then 48 hours later is still uttering complete nonsense....yall went from a great bowl to an insignificant bowl. LSU will always be BAMA's red-headed step child.....LSU is the most talented mediocure team in history....

Cougar Bait · 11-25-09, 09:20 PM

Z,

Who is staring at tailback this week with Scott and Williams out? Any insight?

ZBOIZ · 11-25-09, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by Cougar Bait

Z,

Who is staring at tailback this week with Scott and Williams out? Any insight?

Steven Ridley, Trenton Holliday, and Russel Sheppard will all get carries. We are loaded at RB.

ZBOIZ · 11-25-09, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by HoldEmHook!!

At least we have won the west. LSU on the other hand cant even call a proper time out, then the coach lies three different times then 48 hours later is still uttering complete nonsense....yall went from a great bowl to an insignificant bowl. LSU will always be BAMA's red-headed step child.....LSU is the most talented mediocure team in history....

we'll see who will be laughing come next Saturday when Tebow and crew hold up the SEC banner!

The Seer · 11-25-09, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by ZBOIZ

Steven Ridley, Trenton Holliday, and Russel Sheppard will all get carries. We are loaded at RB.

Z, his name is Trindon Holliday

ZBOIZ · 11-25-09, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by The Seer

Z, his name is Trindon Holliday

thanks for correcting me. I always spell his name wrong for some reason

HoldEmHook!! · 11-25-09, 11:06 PM

That a boy...your team sucks so root for who ever plays Bama...You sir are pathetic.

P.S. We beat the gators Dec. 5th and We hold up that banner...

big joe 1212 · 11-25-09, 11:32 PM

Why is N.D. not interested in Skip Holtz?

BadNina · 11-26-09, 01:39 AM

And it's pile on Z time!!!!!

Hun, you really believe there is THAT much of a drop off in Bama's "second" string defensive unit? Darius is considered second string right now. I think he is behind Cody. Barron (leading the SEC in interceptions) is a sophomore I believe. Hightower will be back. The freshman who has taken his place is doing a good job. Harris will be there. Not to mention so many others. It was the back ups that gave up a total of 17 yards in offense last Saturday when they took over starting the 3 quarter.

Now, as for the other, at this time I don't see it happening. I base that on the fact that the honeymoon phase isn't over yet here. There are so many nonfootball stories throughout the year. And the fact that Terri Saban appears extremely happy with where she is. I think it was equally obvious she wasn't happy in Miami, hence the fact she lives in Tuscaloosa now.

paste_me · 11-26-09, 03:03 AM

Money is not an issue at Notre Dame, the alumni (like my uncle) are demanding football victors for all of their donations.

MobileBay · 11-26-09, 10:07 PM

Z I really love the passion LSU folks have for their program...

but what the hell, you have picked against Bama most of the year. Saban is gone from Baton Rouge, he ain't coming back. He's at his last job, he can do things in Tuscaloosa that ou guys can never do in LA. Its on one of the most storied programs in the history of college football, LSU is not. Quit being a horses ass. pull for your team, quit betting with your heart. You have said don't give double digits in SEC. I hope you are stupid enough to bet Auburn tomorrow. I usually enjoy your posts but your just a freaking homer. I hope Arkansas kick your ass.

ZBOIZ · 11-26-09, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by MobileBay

but what the hell, you have picked against Bama most of the year. Saban is gone from Baton Rouge, he ain't coming back. He's at his last job, he can do things in Tuscaloosa that ou guys can never do in LA. Its on one of the most storied programs in the history of college football, LSU is not. Quit being a horses ass. pull for your team, quit betting with your heart. You have said don't give double digits in SEC. I hope you are stupid enough to bet Auburn tomorrow. I usually enjoy your posts but your just a freaking homer. I hope Arkansas kick your ass.

Oh yea you think so ?

We dont want him back in BR, you all can have him. We are still fresh from our title 2 years ago. How about you all win one this decade for once

Plus, dont get mad at me for starting a thread that someone else published get mad at him. And dont act like Saban does'nt have a history of leaving schools. Please dont be blind. I personally dont think he will leave but I dont think he will be there for the rest of his career. Thats not Saban.

Ask, Toledo, Michigan St., LSU, and the Dolphins. All of these are head coaching jobs. The man has a history of packing his shit! Plain and simple.

ZBOIZ · 11-26-09, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by MobileBay

but what the hell, you have picked against Bama most of the year. Saban is gone from Baton Rouge, he ain't coming back. He's at his last job, he can do things in Tuscaloosa that ou guys can never do in LA. Its on one of the most storied programs in the history of college football, LSU is not. Quit being a horses ass. pull for your team, quit betting with your heart. You have said don't give double digits in SEC. I hope you are stupid enough to bet Auburn tomorrow. I usually enjoy your posts but your just a freaking homer. I hope Arkansas kick your ass.

And whats that ? Tuscaloosa only has like what ? 3 interstate exits ? C'mon please, you all cant even have a professional franchise in that sorry state. Get a life.

ronjon619 · 11-26-09, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by The Seer

they just need them to doctor the test scores like when holtz was there. Ricky Waters couldn't spell cat.

Chris Zorich was a genius compared to Ricky.

BadNina · 11-27-09, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by ZBOIZ

Oh yea you think so ?

We dont want him back in BR, you all can have him. We are still fresh from our title 2 years ago. How about you all win one this decade for once

Plus, dont get mad at me for starting a thread that someone else published get mad at him. And dont act like Saban does'nt have a history of leaving schools. Please dont be blind. I personally dont think he will leave but I dont think he will be there for the rest of his career. Thats not Saban.

Ask, Toledo, Michigan St., LSU, and the Dolphins. All of these are head coaching jobs. The man has a history of packing his shit! Plain and simple.

Now Z sweety, first of all, there isn't a coach worth his salt that thinks that Toledo is the end all jobs. The man moved up in the college ranks until he got to LSU. He wanted to try the pros. He didn't like it. 'nuff said on that one.

As for LSU still being fresh off that national championship....let's have a looksey at some numbers, why don't we?

SEC wins for 2008.....Auburn, Miss State and South Carolina
SEC losses for 2008...Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Ole Miss, Arkansas

SEC wins for 2009...Vandy, Miss State, Georgia, Auburn
SEC losses for 2009...Florida, Alabama, Ole Miss

Arkansas pending.

Hun, I am sorry but that makes LSU as a middle of the pack team. Nothing better.

paste_me · 11-27-09, 02:10 AM

Arkansas is going to get on over LSU, done deal...

tblues2005 · 11-27-09, 03:12 AM

I like Arkansas on Saturday. They have a good team this season. I do think that LSU needs another year on offense then things will get better for them.

betyuda · 11-27-09, 05:47 AM

As an ND graduate or as a domer all i can say is academically ND is fully overrated. Granted it helped me get a 6 figure job, but this concept of tradition is getting old. Its really a time for change.

jon13009 · 11-27-09, 06:24 AM

Almost anyone could replace that dumb fat bastard according to most ND alums when they are sober.

RayzHELL · 11-27-09, 09:03 AM

I want Saban to go so my Florida GATORS have a weaker Alabama team (or even LSU) to face each year in the SEC Championship Game!

Joe Dogs · 11-27-09, 09:11 AM

[quote=big joe 1212;2632866]Can't Saban stay in 1 place????

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Nick Saban is a hired gun.His word means nothing.

jackpot269 · 11-27-09, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

At ND you cannot lie and cheat and get dumb killers into school

ND gets the pretty boy blacks that are fairly edcuated and they cannot excel

JJ Nick Saban is not at Tennessee your thinking of Lane Kiffin!!!

moses millsap · 11-27-09, 09:47 AM

they are going to hire fitzgerald from northwestern, bank it

jackpot269 · 11-27-09, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by ZBOIZ

And whats that ? Tuscaloosa only has like what ? 3 interstate exits ? C'mon please, you all cant even have a professional franchise in that sorry state. Get a life.

Only need a pro team when your collage ain't that all that great!!! I mean really pro football not even close to the excitement in collage especially in the SEC.

seaborneq · 12-12-09, 03:45 PM

Saban must have said "Hell No, now fukk off!!!" "ZBoiz put you guys up to this shit didn't he?" Notre Dame Cardinal replies "Yes he did, how did you know Mr. Saban?"