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  • wal66
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 10-14-08
    • 5305

    #1
    SBR Family Feedback Request
    I know we spend countless hours here giving one another crap and everyone tries to out punk the next guy but I have a serious question I would really like opinions on.


    If you were offered an opportunity to make what we do into a business venture would you take the offer? I have a friend that I send plays to every week and have for the past couple of seasons and he now wants to turn it into a service, mainly to his golf buddies and business associates to begin with. If that proves a success he would want to expand it to a full blown service.

    I admit it is a flattering offer and would cost me nothing. I mean it’s his capitol, his friends, and I am already doing the work now for free. All I would be doing extra is sending out emails to a list of his clients.

    I explained that if I was to be a part of something like that I first and foremost would want to guarantee that the plays are successful or whoever is on his list of clients would get free plays until they were winning. Also I explained that I already post plays here and my other forums and I enjoy that and have made friends doing that and did not want to give that up.

    So, if you had an opportunity to continue doing what you love doing and still have an option to make extra income at no risk on the side would you not take advantage of it? I know how everyone feels about service plays and all but there is an entire market of people out there that are just too lazy, too time restricted or just simply not concerned enough to do it for themselves and a service is just something they are willing to take advantage of.

    Don’t hold back. I want your HONEST opinions good or bad. Keep in mind no-one at any of my forums are being recruited or even allowed to be a part of this. My plays will still be posted here at SBR during football season as always. This is just a venture in my personal offline life.

    For the record I am not asking for your approval, I merely want some feedback on how you would view this opportunity if faced with it.
  • G's pks
    Restricted User
    • 01-01-09
    • 22251

    #2
    Not to sound like a jerk...but looking at your NFL record... I would say no for you...just being honest.
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    • feltball
      SBR High Roller
      • 09-07-08
      • 106

      #3
      No work for more money.
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      • poker_dummy101
        Restricted User
        • 11-03-08
        • 6395

        #4
        90% of these guys here post their plays in hopes of going on some huge winning streak so they can make money by selling picks
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        • jayc88
          Restricted User
          • 12-30-07
          • 6785

          #5
          there are two kinds of people ,
          a handful of people who pick winners on a regular basis
          and the ones that might go on a huge winning streak but will lose everything eventually .

          Without knowing anything about you, i think you fit in the 2nd group of people, just because its the group of people 90 % of sbr posters belong to .
          If you dont have inside information and/ or beat the closing number most of the times you wont win.

          why would anyone who has the ability to get an edge on most of his picks sell his picks to anyone else?
          touts are losers and there are many posters who go on a 50-30 run and think they have found the holy grail and are able to do it longterm.
          The truth is, they wont hit at 55 % or higher longerm.
          you will probably lose too during the next weeks/years, so i don't think it is a great idea to sell your picks and basically steal money from other people.
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          • Deuce
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 01-12-08
            • 29843

            #6
            Most is luck
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            • KingCrimson21
              SBR High Roller
              • 12-24-08
              • 216

              #7
              Originally posted by poker_dummy101
              90% of these guys here post their plays in hopes of going on some huge winning streak so they can make money by selling picks
              Poker, maybe you should sell your plays or be some sort of mind reader...you seem to repeatedly think you can tell everybody what is on everybody else`s minds. at you!!
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              • Bread
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 03-16-08
                • 23726

                #8
                If you put up more videos with that one hottie in them, I'll have all my friends buy your package as well, Wally!!!

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                • poker_dummy101
                  Restricted User
                  • 11-03-08
                  • 6395

                  #9
                  Originally posted by KingCrimson21
                  Poker, maybe you should sell your plays or be some sort of mind reader...you seem to repeatedly think you can tell everybody what is on everybody else`s minds. at you!!
                  Maybe you don't realize the attention whores we have here? Or maybe you would like the numerous threads about people wanting to go tout?

                  STFU you should be in school, you are too young to be here. fkin moron
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                  • pavyracer
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 04-12-07
                    • 82900

                    #10
                    You got to be good in several sports and leagues to keep them happy all year long. Also reduces the chances of going on a bad streak if you give them plays from various sports and leagues. For example, the probability of the Yankees, Lakers, Patriots, Florida, Alabama, Kansas, Chelsea and Barcelona all losing on the same day is very minimal.
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                    • wal66
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 10-14-08
                      • 5305

                      #11
                      G's I would do nothing but college football. Strictly a seasonal thing.

                      Jay.........2 back to back college seasons here at SBR of documanted over 60%. Last season 66% this season sitting on 62%. Not enough time for some I'm sure but plenty enough time to be fairly sure it's not just a streak.
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                      • wal66
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 10-14-08
                        • 5305

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Bread
                        If you put up more videos with that one hottie in them, I'll have all my friends buy your package as well, Wally!!!

                        Bread, Ashley is moving back to Orlando to get married. Sad day at the golf course last Friday as it was her last day. There is always others though and some will agree to videos eventually.
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                        • lyon804
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 11-02-09
                          • 6526

                          #13
                          Wal, go for it man! I don't know how good a capper you are. I see you have had a nice record in college football this year. Just keep in mind this will change things going forward if you decide to do this. I have been in the game a little while and know this changes everything. What you are good at now and enjoy doing will be looked at in a totally different life. You never know how dumb or degenerate those golf buddies can be. Let me give you a sceneriao... The golf guys are gonna play the BS plays anyways, ok.. When they get in the hole playing there stuff they most likely will chase your games to get back what they already lost and if you have a bad day on that particular day they are gonna think you are mud. That is the negative I proposed, but if you can somehow maintain the winning records and your buddies friends are not degens you could very well retain rock star status with them and make extra money. Let's face it. There are very few people that can predict consistent winners ATS @ a 55% clip longterm. I am not one of them either and nor is 97-99.5% of this forum. Well, there is some feedback.Some pro's and con's to it. I personally wouldn't want the burden.
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                          • danova
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 11-15-09
                            • 12

                            #14
                            Without knowing anything about you, i think you fit in the 2nd group of people, just because its the group of people 90 % of sbr posters belong to
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                            • Willie Bee
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 02-14-06
                              • 15726

                              #15
                              Country club pricks are usually easy to take money from. Half of them just like the 'status' they feel they have when they tell other country club pricks, "Well my capper says yadda-yadda-yadda." If you can add a few dead presidents to your coffer giving out your opinions on sporting events, and really just target the well-off with more money than sense, I say go for it.
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                              • tblues2005
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 07-30-06
                                • 9235

                                #16
                                I agree with you willie bee on this. I say go for it and enjoy what you are doing. Wal you have done a good job for us in the past. I would still find a way to keep us up to date how you are doing though.
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                                • G's pks
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 01-01-09
                                  • 22251

                                  #17
                                  Wal the average degenerate gambler needs to be fed all year long... Does not sound like you could feed their appetite...
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                                  • wal66
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 10-14-08
                                    • 5305

                                    #18
                                    Good stuff, taking it all in. The funniest thing is the friend. He absolutely sees an angle in everything in life. This is the first time in the history of our friendship that he has ever offered something that didn't cost me in the end financially. He's run the entire schemes of things from ponzi schemes to friggin Endevor cards. He's always come out ahead though, can't say the same for thse of us he wrangled. While he is a friend ( you know those special types that if you hadn't been friends forever you would never associate with the guy ) he is also a schiester so I have to be plenty careful that I get my guarantee clause of only pay for winning plays in there, otherwise I wouldn't have anything to do with it.
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                                    • reno cool
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 07-02-08
                                      • 3567

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by wal66
                                      Good stuff, taking it all in. The funniest thing is the friend. He absolutely sees an angle in everything in life. This is the first time in the history of our friendship that he has ever offered something that didn't cost me in the end financially. He's run the entire schemes of things from ponzi schemes to friggin Endevor cards. He's always come out ahead though, can't say the same for thse of us he wrangled. While he is a friend ( you know those special types that if you hadn't been friends forever you would never associate with the guy ) he is also a schiester so I have to be plenty careful that I get my guarantee clause of only pay for winning plays in there, otherwise I wouldn't have anything to do with it.

                                      how sure are you about that one?
                                      bird bird da bird's da word
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                                      • mmike032
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 09-11-08
                                        • 8905

                                        #20
                                        why not just get investors so you have a bigger bankroll and start bettting more, hence winning more if you think you can keep hitting 60+% longterm.
                                        I'm sure the country club snots would be willing to invest in your picks if their gaurenteed a substantial return.
                                        and if it doesnt work out you already have the makings of a ponzie scheme to fall back on.
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                                        • Bill Dozer
                                          www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                                          • 07-12-05
                                          • 10894

                                          #21
                                          If your friend is selling picks to his buddies, it won't end well when you hit your first cold streak. But if a capper is doing research and forming conclusions for others to utilize that's work. A lot of websites will pay cappers who are willing to do write ups. It doesn't matter if you win or lose but if you can dig up info that is beneficial to the reader. I think we have all read picks where the capper is on the other side. You read it thinking he is a blowhard but then he makes a good point for his pick and while you don't follow him, you back down from your play thanks to his info.
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                                          • wal66
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 10-14-08
                                            • 5305

                                            #22
                                            Wow............first Willie and now Bill Dozer himself. Gentlemen I appreciate the comments.
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                                            • CMattis22
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 10-16-09
                                              • 968

                                              #23
                                              Just keep doing things the way you are doing things. Don't change your style or put in extra time to find that edge you think a play has. Because it seems when people post a huge play, alot of the times it fails. I see you've been successful in your plays. Just give them the plays you're playing yourself. No need to change your strategy to find some extra plays. You really have nothing to lose. If its successful, then thats a few extra bucks in your pocket. If it isn't then and they stop using your plays, then its just back to the way things were for you ya know!? I say take a shot and see how it goes
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                                              • HotStreak
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 05-12-09
                                                • 3235

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by wal66
                                                Good stuff, taking it all in. The funniest thing is the friend. He absolutely sees an angle in everything in life. This is the first time in the history of our friendship that he has ever offered something that didn't cost me in the end financially. He's run the entire schemes of things from ponzi schemes to friggin Endevor cards. He's always come out ahead though, can't say the same for thse of us he wrangled. While he is a friend ( you know those special types that if you hadn't been friends forever you would never associate with the guy ) he is also a schiester so I have to be plenty careful that I get my guarantee clause of only pay for winning plays in there, otherwise I wouldn't have anything to do with it.

                                                The highlighted part says it all Wal. Sounds like this guy is going to do everything he can to make every dollar for himself, no matter who it hurts in the end. He sounds like the ideal human being to run a tout business.

                                                You, on the other hand, sound like you care too much about people to bloody your conscience in the filthy scam that is touting.

                                                In the end, if this is just some game to clip a few C-notes from the rich dudes at the golf course, sort of like sand bagging on the links or partnering in the clubhouse poker game, it will suit you just fine. Take the free money.

                                                If; however, your "boy", has grand plans to turn this into some " Two for the Money" shit. With an 800 number, and degenerates from all over losing their mortgage money on your 100 star play of the week, well, only you know how that's going to weigh on you.

                                                Truth is, to sell a coin flip as a sure thing, you can't give a phuk about anybody. No matter what promises your friend gives, he's going to milk this for all it is worth, and then throw you under the bus when the cold streak comes.

                                                "It's that phuking wal, guy told me he had this NCAA shit figured out. Shit I lost more money than you guys on his plays. Phuk him. I'm done with him. Buy hey, I got this guy at work, realy knows baseball, I can get you guys in for the whole season at $600. Whadda ya say?"
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                                                • wal66
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 10-14-08
                                                  • 5305

                                                  #25
                                                  Actually Streak that really comes across very clear. It is why I wanted to be assured we had a absolute guarantee in place so that if I had a losing week everyone got free plays the next and so on. However I really wouldn't have any control over whether or not he was still charging and that would bother me. Looking at it from that perspective it is something I couldn't get behind.
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                                                  • pavyracer
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 04-12-07
                                                    • 82900

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Bill Dozer
                                                    If your friend is selling picks to his buddies, it won't end well when you hit your first cold streak. But if a capper is doing research and forming conclusions for others to utilize that's work. A lot of websites will pay cappers who are willing to do write ups. It doesn't matter if you win or lose but if you can dig up info that is beneficial to the reader. I think we have all read picks where the capper is on the other side. You read it thinking he is a blowhard but then he makes a good point for his pick and while you don't follow him, you back down from your play thanks to his info.
                                                    You mean like SBR?
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                                                    • wal66
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 10-14-08
                                                      • 5305

                                                      #27
                                                      I guess I am of the false hope that we can have intergrity in anything we are associated with. Seems posible but in reality sometimes it gets lost easily enough.
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                                                      • KingCrimson21
                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                        • 12-24-08
                                                        • 216

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by poker_dummy101
                                                        Maybe you don't realize the attention whores we have here? Or maybe you would like the numerous threads about people wanting to go tout?

                                                        STFU you should be in school, you are too young to be here. fkin moron
                                                        Jesus Christ, settle down lady. Going to choke yourself with your panties.
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                                                        • poker_dummy101
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 11-03-08
                                                          • 6395

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by KingCrimson21
                                                          Jesus Christ, settle down lady. Going to choke yourself with your panties.
                                                          It is unfortunate you have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old
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