Should a NFL team ever PUNT on 4th and short against Indy Colts?

AMBlai01 · 11-16-09, 04:01 PM

Ever read the ESPN Article about how teams should go for it all the time on 4th down? let me see if I can dig it up...

Sekrah · 11-16-09, 04:36 PM

08.19.2002 - UC Berkeley professor gives surprising answer to NFL fourth down question

http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2002/08/19_ftball.html

Romer is curious why teams are so cautious, even when the rewards of a win, often nationally televised, are so high.

One possible reason may be that the costs of losing as a result of a failed gamble are much higher than the costs of losing due to playing it safe, he said. The coach opting for the play less taken may face jeering and complaining fans, critical sportswriters and sports talk show commentators, and costly reprimands from team owners.

roasthawg · 11-16-09, 04:40 PM

^This has now been proven to be true.

Brakon00 · 11-16-09, 04:40 PM

BELICHECK SHOULDA PUNTED...CMON WE ALL KNOW HE SHOULDA.NO REASON TO GIVE MANNING THE GAME FOR 30 YARDS ON A SILVER PLATE SAYING..HERE U GO MANNING...WIN IT!

roasthawg · 11-16-09, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Brakon00

BELICHECK SHOULDA PUNTED...CMON WE ALL KNOW HE SHOULDA.NO REASON TO GIVE MANNING THE GAME FOR 30 YARDS ON A SILVER PLATE SAYING..HERE U GO MANNING...WIN IT!

If he knew that the 4th down would fail he would've punted.

B1GER1C828 · 11-16-09, 04:47 PM

Going for it was a good play..he'd do it again everytime..but hes a HOF coach so you guys must know way more.

Sekrah · 11-16-09, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by roasthawg

If he knew that the 4th down would fail he would've punted.

But didn't you know the Pats were going to fail their 100% of the time? The SBR Suckerbet Squares say so!

spongerat · 11-16-09, 04:57 PM

the conflict with the situation arises from the fact that the dumber people are being results oriented while the sharper ones are approaching it from a situational analysis angle

Preston09 · 11-16-09, 04:59 PM

I go for it every time on Madden

FishFace5 · 11-16-09, 05:01 PM

Give it a rest you book worm. Go back to math class. In the NFL you punt on 4th and 2 from your own 28. I don't want to discuss the 1000 different variables of what could have happened with you. I don't even hate the call, just stop acting like it was the obvious call and this should be the new trend.

Sekrah · 11-16-09, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by FishFace5

Give it a rest you book worm. Go back to math class. In the NFL you punt on 4th and 2 from your own 28. I don't want to discuss the 1000 different variables of what could have happened with you. I don't even hate the call, just stop acting like it was the obvious call and this should be the new trend.

Sorry sir. Your brain capacity to handle this problem is slightly below that of a primate.

It takes an above-average chimpanzee to understand the math involved here. You don't qualify.

It was the obvious call. If coaches weren't afraid of math illiterate sports media figures and retarded fan base, you would see many more 4th down attempts from various field positions.

If you go back to every final 2 minute comeback in the history of the NFL, the losing team would have won more often if they had gone for that 4th down instead of punting it to the winning team.

paco · 11-16-09, 05:11 PM

He's a hall of fame Cheater

Preston09 · 11-16-09, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by FishFace5

Give it a rest you book worm. Go back to math class. In the NFL you punt on 4th and 2 from your own 28. I don't want to discuss the 1000 different variables of what could have happened with you. I don't even hate the call, just stop acting like it was the obvious call and this should be the new trend.

Scorpion · 11-16-09, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by paco

He's a hall of fame Cheater

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!

He proved how stupid he is last night on national television

Sekrah · 11-16-09, 05:22 PM

There's only 3 variables chimp. % chance of Pats converting, % chance of Colts scoring from their own 30, % chance of Colts scoring from NE 30.

Scorpion · 11-16-09, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by spongerat

the conflict with the situation arises from the fact that the dumber people are being results oriented while the sharper ones are approaching it from a situational analysis angle

The sharper ones dont understand the opponent they were facing
Indy is not a shit team

Just because an NFL team will make it 100% of the time against junior high school teams does not mean they will make it against the best team in the NFL record

BTW- since the dum coach was so scared of Manning and thought his defense is trash why not letting Indy score, this way at least you have some time to make up for your dumb mistake and wasting your precious timesouts???

Bellichick is a clown!

Scorpion · 11-16-09, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Sekrah

There's only 3 variables chimp. % chance of Pats converting, % chance of Colts scoring from their own 30, % chance of Colts scoring from NE 30.

lets say the Pats were converting 70% of the time against the lesser teams, does this mean they have 70% of the chance against the 8-0 Indy team??

Belichick is a BUM!

FishFace5 · 11-16-09, 05:30 PM

Sekrah at this point its very obvious to me you've never played a down of football in your life. The others who have participated in these studies are also probably just nerds like u playing with numbers. Last night you had 2 x-patriot defenders very passionate about how poor they thought that call was. How upset they would have been if that call was made while they were on defense. Like I said earlier, cute equation fellas, I respect the math involved and required in sports betting but this is a situation where it does not apply.

Sekrah · 11-16-09, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by FishFace5

Sekrah at this point its very obvious to me you've never played a down of football in your life. The others who have participated in these studies are also probably just nerds like u playing with numbers. Last night you had 2 x-patriot defenders very passionate about how poor they thought that call was. How upset they would have been if that call was made while they were on defense. Like I said earlier, cute equation fellas, I respect the math involved and required in sports betting but this is a situation where it does not apply.

I am eagerly awaiting your posted plays. I got $5k that says you're a lifetime loser betting sports.

Sekrah · 11-16-09, 05:35 PM

A guy who writes this

How do u guys take ECU and not buy it up to 14

is gonna lecture me on math.

Team Ramrod · 11-16-09, 05:42 PM

no other coach would have gone for it in that situation. bill is a stubborn prick.

FishFace5 · 11-16-09, 05:49 PM

A guy who writes this

Quote:
How do u guys take ECU and not buy it up to 14
is gonna lecture me on math.

LOL. Your questioning me buying a half point when the spread was 13.5?? Your pissin into the wind bro, just making no sense now. Beat it.

Sekrah · 11-16-09, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by FishFace5

LOL. Your questioning me buying a half point when the spread was 13.5?? Your pissin into the wind bro, just making no sense now.

You're right.. I am pissing into the wind. You can only go so far to try to help someone until you realize the situation is completely hopeless.

FishFace5 · 11-16-09, 06:54 PM

Good answer clown. Was waiting to see what kind of bullshit #'s you came up with as to why in the world you wouldn't buy a half point when takin a dog at 13.5. When were you ever trying to help me? This is not a situation where help is needed. This is about a punt. Have you been spewing so much nonsense all day you 4got.

Rixsaw · 11-16-09, 07:14 PM

It doesn't matter who the opposing team is, you don't play 4th and 2 on your own 28. Indi have only 1 time out and a 2 minutes warning. Let Manning go on his 2 minutes drive from his own 30 or 40. I bet the Books were laughing at all the idiots who put money on NE ML. The ML on NE was something like 89% an hour before game time.