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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelRain View Post
    how does steroids help with the ability to connect the bat with the ball?
    Increased bat speed, can wait longer on pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GimpedMaster View Post
    Exactly, Ted Williams doesn't edge Pujols by a great deal even though he played in an era where pitchers were far inferior to what they are today. There were no 'four pitch' pitchers back in the 40's, there were no advanced metrics, zone scouting reports to capitalize on hitter weaknesses like today.

    Pujols and Miggy have done what they've done in spite of the best technology in the world trying to game-plan against them. Ted Williams would have some Joe Schmoe opposing him on the mound who would just get told 'go get 3 by ole Teddy' and that was his scouting report.

    No comparison.

    If Ted Williams played in todays era he would have Ichiro/Tony Gwynn type numbers at best, possibly a high average but he would lose most of his power numbers trying to compensate for pitchers that actually have a repetiore and can focus on his weaknesses.
    Ted Williams was a student of the game, he would have been able to take advantage of that technology as well. He'd have been a legendary hitter at any time period.

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    G.o.a.t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    Chipper Jones
    No. Great player, not better than Cabrera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monchito View Post
    Maybe only Pete Rose and a few others but the quality of pitchers now is as good or better than before so it's hard to appreciate the context of his 11 seasons
    Pete Rose was a compiler and is not in the same class as Cabrera.

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    the barry bonds sh!+ was funny to those of us wuho follow bases, however

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    miggy cant shine mantles shoes

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    Quote Originally Posted by You mad bro View Post
    miggy cant shine mantles shoes
    LOL...don't watch baseball very closely do you?

    Another guy who yearns for the old days with some misguided nostalgia.

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    . . nvrmind

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    Miggy is just unreal right now. Its like he's out there playing slow pitch softball. Yard again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyBear View Post
    LOL...don't watch baseball very closely do you?

    Another guy who yearns for the old days with some misguided nostalgia.
    Mantle was one of the fastest ever (look it up) going from first to third.
    Played stellar outfield. Too bad he tore up his knee in that drain pipe, his numbers would have been even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOT WINGS View Post
    Miggy is just unreal right now. Its like he's out there playing slow pitch softball. Yard again.
    Yeah, do the math, 14-54-.390 off the chart .462 (almost half his PA's result with him getting on) at the quarter poll.
    Those are superman numbers.

    I pray to God he isn't juicing or HGH or something.

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    they do random testing in mlb now, i'm sure they've tested miggy. one of the padres got busted a little while ago

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    Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
    2003 20 FLA NL 87 346 314 39 84 21 3 12 62 0 2 25 84 .268 .325 .468 .793 106 147 12 2 4 1 3 75 MVP-27,RoY-5
    2004 21 FLA NL 160 685 603 101 177 31 1 33 112 5 2 68 148 .294 .366 .512 .879 130 309 20 6 0 8 5 *97/D AS,MVP-22
    2005 22 FLA NL 158 685 613 106 198 43 2 33 116 1 0 64 125 .323 .385 .561 .947 151 344 20 2 0 6 12 *75 AS,MVP-5,SS
    2006 23 FLA NL 158 676 576 112 195 50 2 26 114 9 6 86 108 .339 .430 .568 .998 159 327 18 10 0 4 27 *5/D AS,MVP-5,SS
    2007 24 FLA NL 157 680 588 91 188 38 2 34 119 2 1 79 127 .320 .401 .565 .965 150 332 17 5 1 7 23 *5/D AS,MVP-15
    2008 25 DET AL 160 684 616 85 180 36 2 37 127 1 0 56 126 .292 .349 .537 .887 130 331 16 3 0 9 6 *35/D MVP-13
    2009 26 DET AL 160 685 611 96 198 34 0 34 103 6 2 68 107 .324 .396 .547 .942 144 334 22 5 0 1 14 *3/D MVP-4
    2010 27 DET AL 150 648 548 111 180 45 1 38 126 3 3 89 95 .328 .420 .622 1.042 178 341 17 3 0 8 32 *3/D AS,MVP-2,SS
    2011 28 DET AL 161 688 572 111 197 48 0 30 105 2 1 108 89 .344 .448 .586 1.033 179 335 24 3 0 5 22 *3/D AS,MVP-5
    2012 29 DET AL 161 697 622 109 205 40 0 44 139 4 1 66 98 .330 .393 .606 .999 164 377 28 3 0 6 17 *5/D3 AS,MVP-1,SS
    2013 30 DET AL 44 207 181 37 70 13 1 13 52 1 0 23 25 .387 .459 .685 1.144 201 124 5 2 0 1 4 *5
    11 Yrs 1556 6681 5844 998 1872 399 14 334 1175 34 18 732 1132 .320 .397 .565 .961 152 3301 199 44 5 56 165
    162 Game Avg. 162 696 608 104 195 42 1 35 122 4 2 76 118 .320 .397 .565 .961 152 344 21 5 1 6 17
    DET (6 yrs) 836 3609 3150 549 1030 216 4 196 652 17 7 410 540 .327 .404 .585 .989 161 1842 112 19 0 30 95
    FLA (5 yrs) 720 3072 2694 449 842 183 10 138 523 17 11 322 592 .313 .388 .542 .929 143 1459 87 25 5 26 70
    AL (6 yrs) 836 3609 3150 549 1030 216 4 196 652 17 7 410 540 .327 .404 .585 .989 161 1842 112 19 0 30 95
    NL (5 yrs) 720 3072 2694 449 842 183 10 138 523 17 11 322 592 .313 .388 .542 .929 143 1459 87 25 5 26 70




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    Herman "Babe" Ruth... If you have to ask you know nothing of baseball.

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    Lol if you think babe Ruth would be as good today against modern pitchers.
    it wasn't really a question, lol.

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    no one even close right now

    hes in a tier of his own

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    Quote Originally Posted by face View Post
    they do random testing in mlb now, i'm sure they've tested miggy. one of the padres got busted a little while ago
    please dont tell me you think "random testing" stops, prevents, or even catches the majority..hell i get "randomly tested" for narcotics and while my test always comes back clean i can assure you i rarely am, and that test happens while im in fact dirty.

    peds different in the sense that you dont have to have them in your system or have elevated levels of testosterone during the season to benefit from them, real easy for a guy to run a cycle of something for 10 weeks of the offseason and be totally "clean" during testing yet still benefit from the 5-10 pounds of muscle he put on while no one was looking..

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    those OPS+ numbers, jesus.

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    Miguel Cabrera is putting up some pretty ridiculous numbers, but people are showing a rather short term memory loss here. He isn't even the best hitter this century.

    Pujols has done it longer, and more consistently, but...

    Barry Bonds had the best five-year span I have ever seen (2000-2004). The guy had a .609 on-base percentage, at the age of 40!!! Obviously 'roided up, but still almost impossible to fathom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boner_18 View Post
    Herman "Babe" Ruth... If you have to ask you know nothing of baseball.
    you fukkin moron

    if youre gonna make a condescending dikhead post at least get his name right

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Yeah, do the math, 14-54-.390 off the chart .462 (almost half his PA's result with him getting on) at the quarter poll.
    Those are superman numbers.

    I pray to God he isn't juicing or HGH or something.
    of course he is

    wake up nasher

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    The only thing juicing is drinkers butt after I release

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    dont think so anytime recently

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Miguel Cabrera is putting up some pretty ridiculous numbers, but people are showing a rather short term memory loss here. He isn't even the best hitter this century.

    Pujols has done it longer, and more consistently, but...

    Barry Bonds had the best five-year span I have ever seen (2000-2004). The guy had a .609 on-base percentage, at the age of 40!!! Obviously 'roided up, but still almost impossible to fathom.
    Pujols is declining already and he is only a few years older than Cabrera. Cabrera has the best numbers this decade actually

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    Miggy and smoker have a lot in common

    They both take injections in their asses

    Smokers injections end up a lot more gooey though

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    i seriously think this guy is and forever shall be the greatest ever

    i mean ever ... like as in the past 100 yrs and the next 100 yrs


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    .452 with runners in scoring position and 72 rbis

    good chance he has 100 rbi by the break





    hope he never gets bagged for his hgh

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    Puigggggggggggggggggggggg

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