You Are Nuts To Lay -200 on Pettite on 3 Days Rest

smitch124 · 11-04-09, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Bread

I remember that game well. It was a Saturday night and I was HUGH on the Giants. Was out partying at a club...feeling good..came back to the bar for a drink and the Angels took the lead. Oh man that one hurt Smitchy.

It hurt real bad.

Bread, I am still not over this. 7 years and the pain is fresh

FishFace5 · 11-04-09, 12:03 PM

Take the run line. It's your only chance philly bettors.

Bread · 11-04-09, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by smitch124

bread, i am still not over this. 7 years and the pain is fresh

fukk scott spiezio!!!

yisman · 11-04-09, 12:07 PM

I was arguing with a bunch of Yankees fans over the move to start Burnett on short rest. It was a poor decision. They were up 3-1. You don't use a pitcher who rarely goes on short rest like that unless you're down 3-1 or the like.

Burnett is better at home. Pettitte is better on the road.

Plus, pitching Burnett in an NL park is just stupid, because then you have the pitcher in the lineup plus Molina instead of Posada.

The smart move would've been Gaudin in Game 5, and had they lost, Burnett in Game 6 and CC in Game 7, if necessary. Pettitte would've been available to back up either starter.

Instead, he didn't use Gaudin at all, even when Burnett got shelled. Idiocy.

Manuel also made a mistake in leaving in Lee for way too long in Game 5. They were up 6. He should've been out of there after 6, so he'd be more available for bullpen work in Game 7.

FishFace5 · 11-04-09, 12:12 PM

+1. Except for the Lee part, yanks still almost came back

daggerkobe · 11-04-09, 12:19 PM

If there is a game 7, Hamels will get the start and pitch well. Guaransheed.

But will there be a game 7?

yisman · 11-04-09, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by FishFace5

+1. Except for the Lee part, yanks still almost came back

Because Lee was gassed.

jjgold · 11-04-09, 12:20 PM

Real line should be Yanks -140 if you factor everything in Pedro also lucky to get through 5 innings Over is the play GO

daggerkobe · 11-04-09, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

John , the game is in NYC

Im beginning to think SBR_John is really Jjgoose.

Nicky Santoro · 11-04-09, 12:33 PM

well, it's not that far from philly when you think of it.. when he said getting +185 at home, he meant getting +185 near home.. which is basically true. NYC is right near home.. 1 highway away.. The I-95

daggerkobe · 11-04-09, 12:38 PM

Yeah except the stadium will be 99.9999% Yankee fans.

Mikail · 11-04-09, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

well, it's not that far from philly when you think of it.. when he said getting +185 at home, he meant getting +185 near home.. which is basically true. NYC is right near home.. 1 highway away.. The I-95

True. It's only about a 2hr trip on I95

yisman · 11-04-09, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

well, it's not that far from philly when you think of it.. when he said getting +185 at home, he meant getting +185 near home.. which is basically true. NYC is right near home.. 1 highway away.. The I-95

FishFace5 · 11-04-09, 12:52 PM

I agree sending him out for the 8th was too long. He had to be in there for 6 and 7 though

tblues2005 · 11-04-09, 12:58 PM

I think the Yankees win this one no doubt! I just cannot see them losing at home in their new stadium.

Mikail · 11-04-09, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by tblues2005

I think the Yankees win this one no doubt! I just cannot see them losing at home in their new stadium.

Losing the series is a long shot, but I can see them losing game 6

Nicky Santoro · 11-04-09, 01:08 PM

Don't forget what NYY have.. and that is the biggest loser in all of sports in AROD.. this guy has had a great career, but can NEVER win a WS.. NEVER.. every team he has gone to has become worse, and each team he left, got great the following year.. example, the Mariners when they won 116 games the following year after he left. Since he arrived to NYY, they had NOT won ever..

Arod is

Charles Barkley
Warren Moon
Barry Sanders
Carl Yastrzemski
Eric Dickerson
Elgin Baylor
Ted Williams
Marcel Dionne
Karl Malone
Dan Marino
Patrick Ewing

Dont be shocked if this born loser finds a way not to win.

TheAccountant · 11-04-09, 01:35 PM

So much about this screams coin flip. Phillies +185 is the value play, but it certainly wouldn't shock me if the Phils get levelled. I took a unit on the Phils though.

Doug · 11-04-09, 01:40 PM

I have to take Philly at this price, like the over as well.

raydog · 11-04-09, 01:40 PM

to answer your question onner, pettite should never and i mean never be a -200fav vs this years phillies. doesnt matter what time of the year or how many days rest he has.

betplom · 11-04-09, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by raydog

to answer your question onner, pettite should never and i mean never be a -200fav vs this years phillies. doesnt matter what time of the year or how many days rest he has.

zubzub · 11-04-09, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Mikail

If there is a game 7 and Manuel starts Hamels he might as well be conceding the series. Hamels publicly made his feelings known about the series and this season. If there is a game 7 It has to be LEE!

Hamels said that he was looking forward to a fresh start, his comment "can't wait for it to be over" was in reference to the season in regards to his own situation (the struggles he has had this season) and not about the series.

I apologize to you if you meant this comment in jest, I felt the need to respond because its disappointing to me to see mistruths...such as as Hamels giving up....futher propagated.

Once again, certain media outlets endeavored to create a story where there was none. Even a reporter present when Hamels made the initial comment said that it was taken out of context. Anyone with a 6th grade level comprehension of the English language would be able to easily see how the comment was misunderstood.

He did not in any way shape or form "give up on his team" or this series, the ideal that he would is completely ludicrous.

If you have a different understanding of this, you are mistaken.

Philly Enquirer: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sport...amels_say.html

Mikail · 11-04-09, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by zubzub

Hamels said that he was looking forward to a fresh start, his comment "can't wait for it to be over" was in reference to the season in regards to his own situation (the struggles he has had this season) and not about the series.

I apologize to you if you meant this comment in jest, I felt the need to respond because its disappointing to me to see mistruths...such as as Hamels giving up....futher propagated.

Once again, certain media outlets endeavored to create a story where there was none. Even a reporter present when Hamels made the initial comment said that it was taken out of context. Anyone with a 6th grade level comprehension of the English language would be able to easily see how the comment was misunderstood.

He did not in any way shape or form "give up on his team" or this series, the ideal that he would is completely ludicrous.

If you have a different understanding of this, you are mistaken.

Philly Enquirer: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sport...amels_say.html

I hope this is true and not an attempt to clean up a PR mess. Hamels was an inspiration to Phillies fans last season. I know he has a lot going on (new addition to his family and all) but he should stay focused. Keep your eyes on the prize Cole.

zubzub · 11-04-09, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Mikail

I hope this is true and not an attempt to clean up a PR mess. Hamels was an inspiration to Phillies fans last season. I know he has a lot going on (new addition to his family and all) but he should stay focused. Keep your eyes on the prize Cole.

Of course its true but your thought crossed my mind as well. When you think about the statement "can't wait for it to be over" its fairly easy to see how he was speaking of a season that was disappointing (on a personal level) and that he was not speaking of wishing the world series over....

to me at least its pretty easy to see what he was trying to say but hell yeah poor choice of wording.

Go Phils.

jjgold · 11-04-09, 03:26 PM

Yanks have to win this game or I think they lose game 7

Should be interesting

zubzub · 11-04-09, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

If there is a game 7, Hamels will get the start and pitch well. Guaransheed.

But will there be a game 7?

This is the ending that I would like to see and, obviously, there are many many more people hoping for a game 7 than not, some of them quite "influential". I know you know what I mean but we are not gonna get into all that, it would just be meaningless white noise, conjecture, to do so...

And just to clarify, in light of my above posts about Hamels, I ain't no Hamels "groupie", ain't no one's groupie.

I'd consider being Tina Fey's groupie.

I am expecting a game 7.

Mikail · 11-04-09, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Yanks have to win this game or I think they lose game 7

Should be interesting

I am thinking the same thing jj pressure is on the Yanks tonight. If we get a game 7 Phils get the tilt. Can't wait til first pitch!

zubzub · 11-04-09, 03:39 PM

If we get a game 7 imo that would be either team's ballgame, adavantage neither. Because mainly we have 2 teams experienced, comfortable with post season pressure. Pending pitching matchups of course. Cliff Lee on 2 days rest? Damn I would make that to be such a "brave" call that were Manuel to make that call = Charlie being called genius or GOAT. no in between.

Dbldown11 · 11-04-09, 03:51 PM

No....you are nuts to bet on the Phillies just cause a line offers "value"

When there is only one game scheduled, and it's the last game of the year. Betting value is pointless. Just gotta bet on the winner.......which is going to be the Yankees.

firedawg · 11-04-09, 03:53 PM

phils +170 1st 5......................... watch and see

AceofSP2107 · 11-04-09, 03:53 PM

pedro gets the win tonight,,,, phillies for 5u

lolbear · 11-04-09, 03:55 PM

As established by others before I feel like they are better off starting Happ and then backing with hamels/lee

zubzub · 11-04-09, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Dbldown11

No....you are nuts to bet on the Phillies just cause a line offers "value"

When there is only one game scheduled, and it's the last game of the year. Betting value is pointless. Just gotta bet on the winner.......which is going to be the Yankees.

No so nutty when that "value" lies in betting against Pettite on short rest and a Yankees middle relief squad that has shown they ain't "all that" and a bag of peanuts.

And with Pedro who won 3x in Yankee Stadium when matched up against Pettite (thanks Willie B http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-h...tte.html?slf=2)

Oh wait, that was OLD Yankee Stadium

what problem you got with the "value" in this line?!?

Dbldown11 · 11-04-09, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by zubzub

No so nutty when that "value" lies in betting against Pettite on short rest and a Yankees middle relief squad that has shown they ain't "all that" and a bag of peanuts.

And with Pedro who won 3x in Yankee Stadium when matched up against Pettite (thanks Willie B http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-h...tte.html?slf=2)

Oh wait, that was OLD Yankee Stadium

what problem you got with the "value" in this line?!?

My problem is that the Yankees are going to win this game.....it's not going to 7 games. In my mind as simple as that.

Sure there is value in betting the Phillies at that price....and during the season when you can find numerous games with value like that you can still end up in the green.

But since this is the last game of the season (as there will be no game 7) betting value makes no sense. Just bet the team that is going to win the game.....which is NY

(obviously all of this is based on my assumption that there is no way NY Yankees lose this game........the rest is just me typing away and wasting time at work)

I have however done well in this series, and I just don't see any way in hell that they Yankees lose tonight.

StraitShooter · 11-04-09, 04:08 PM

all I know if the Yanks do win..I sure as hell will turn the channel off before one of those mfers starts to celebrate