OT- Is Abortion Murder?

[InTheHole]

-serious question. If you can charge someone with murder of a fetus which this article suggests is a person...then why wouldn't an abortion doctor be a murderer. I don't see the distinction. Is abortion the equivalent of someone breaking into your house?

(10-25) 19:34 PDT Los Angeles, CA (AP) --

Authorities say a 37-year-old Los Angeles man has been arrested on suspicion of murder for the death of an unborn child believed to be his.

Police say the arrest came after an investigation on Monday revealed "suspicious circumstances of a miscarriage." Investigators estimate the fetus was in its 13th week.

Police released no information on the mother or the circumstances of the child's death.

The release says Woodward is believed to have ties to Miami and Chicago and detectives are also seeking information in those cities.

Investigators are set to present the case to prosecutors on Tuesday.

A deputy at the jail had no information on an attorney for Woodward.

Good luck with all your wagers today.

[onthewhat]

I think it depends how "old" the baby is, ex: first, second, or third trimester in terms of an abortion but I'm not sure

Also an abortion is wanted by the mother and doesn't press murder charges against herself, etc.

Touchy subject all around, I say let people make their own decisions

[InTheHole]

So mother's determine whether a fetus is a person If this mother was on her way to an abortion clinic this guy would have been off the hook I assume (and saved tax payers money in the process). I like it

[raydog]

huge difference in the woman choosing to go to the doctor to have an abortion and a man beating the shit out of a woman in an attempt to kill an unborn. (he should do some time, but it wont be a life sentence or anything like that) abortion isnt legal everywhere, but im glad it is legal in the u.s. its a womans right to do with her body whatever she pleases. anyone who criticizes abortion is nothing more than hypocrite whos opinion means nothing. the unborn is part of the mother until the day she spits it out. as soon as the baby comes out, then it has rights and a say so, not before. just my meaningless opinion on the topic.

[Matt Rain]

I don't think of early abortion as murder. No deep philosophical reasoning - I just don't think that the intent is nearly the same. That said, if it were up to me, "convenient" abortions (where the pregnancy isn't the result of rape or incest, or where the Mom isn't underage) would carry heavy fines. Be responsible or pay for your ****-up.

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[InTheHole]

Thanks Matty

[DrStale]

Agree with everything Raydog said. If the mother wants to have the child it is a completely different situation than if she wants to have the abortion.

[InTheHole]

Agree with everything Raydog said. If the mother wants to have the child it is a completely different situation than if she wants to have the abortion.

What if she has the man punch her in the stomach to cause a miscarriage. Your argument is flawed from a legal standpoint. Can't have two standards and what constitutes "a person" can't be arbitrary (i.e a woman decides whether it is a person or not).

[InTheHole]

Furthermore....we should legalize all abortions up to 9 months using this "person" standard. A woman has a right to choose and who the hell are you guys to tell her what she can do with her body. Even post birth abortions should be allowed for retards.

[DrStale]

What if she has the man punch her in the stomach to cause a miscarriage. Your argument is flawed from a legal standpoint. Can't have two standards and what constitutes "a person" can't be arbitrary (i.e a woman decides whether it is a person or not).

My point was based on the article, which to me appeared to say that it was a guy who beat up the wife against her will and thus killing the fetus. If this is not the case, then that fetus got lucky to not be born with the two stupidest parents on the planet.

[Chi_archie]

i can't answer this.......