When is a push a loss?

[sportsbetwin]

Edited this post.

Had an issue with grading of a pushed bet but it was my inexperience of 3-way handicapping at this particular book. My mistake and my mistake with posting too early.

Removing the initial post as the sportsbook involved is not at fault.

[pitman]

note to self. stay far away from sportingbet.
So the book gets all money wagered on a push??..... that is just fackin brutal

[topgame85]

wtf? that is what a .5 is for, a push is a push and returned stake IMO, think they are bullshitting you

[Matt Rain]

Don't know of any other book that would grade that as a loss, but the wording of their rule seems to back their claim...

Handicap

Winning bets must predict the winner of the match after the final score has been adjusted by the handicap.
Overtime does not count unless otherwise stated.

Still, I think it's worth filing a complaint. This is completely out of the norm.

[Matt Rain]

If the book insists on grading that as a loss, they should at least clarify the rule by adding that any draw is a loss.

[pitman]

was this a 3 way bet? i know some books have these kinds of bets but they also but they do it as a 3 way bet, -1,+1 and handicap tie

[Domestic]

I have had "pushes" at Sportingbet.com.au and always been refunded. This is very odd.

[smitch124]

Rated D+, thats really horrible. Get your money outta there (if you can)

[Ace_of_Spades]

Over 2
Exactly 2
Under 2

[Immortality]

Just got burnt at SportingBet on a Euro Ice hockey game.
Took +1 handicap and they lost 1-0.
Bet graded a loss.

I had a long chat session (wont bore you with reproducing here). They said they are the rules even though the rule they quoted to me does not specifically say this. They said Pushes (refunds) do not occur at Sportingbet.

Had many similar bets at Aussie Books and Pinnacle and some Wild West sportsbooks graded a push with the bet refunded.

Is this a European sportsbook thing?

What other sportsbooks would grade a push a loss?

Sounds like a bunch of horseshit to me. I would definitely send in a complaint. I looked at their rules and they are vague. They tell you win outcomes but fail to mention the other plays as to whether they are pushes or losses.

[sportsbetwin]

Don't know of any other book that would grade that as a loss, but the wording of their rule seems to back their claim...

Handicap

Winning bets must predict the winner of the match after the final score has been adjusted by the handicap.
Overtime does not count unless otherwise stated.

Still, I think it's worth filing a complaint. This is completely out of the norm.

That is what they quoted me.
I agreed that it is not a winning bet.

It is a drawn bet - and the rules don't state that that is a loss. They would not listen.

I didn't want to bore anyone with the chat session - but i will post it if anyone wants to se it/does not believe me.

[sportsbetwin]

Ok - I have the answer: Thankyou Pitman for making me go back and check

yes it was a 3-way bet

Team A +1
Team B -1
Draw -1

I did not think twice at the time of placing my bet - assumed a 1 goal loss on +1 would be a push - didnt even recall seeing the draw but it must have been there.

However the odds on each of the scenarios (I just checked some other lines) indicate that what they are saying is correct.

So the answer to the quiz is - A push is a loss when it is part of a 3 way handicap bet.

A bit of a trap - but I have no comeback. My apologies to everyone for making a mistake on this.

I have been punished already so go easy on me

Funny how what Pitman said in one line coudn't be said in a long chat session.

My mistake and Sportingbet did not stiff me.

[sportsbetwin]

Probably better if the mods remove this thread - Sportingbet might not be the Worlds best book but it was my mistake - and i want to be able to get my money out of there!

[exstatman]

Based on what you show, didn't all 3 bets lose?

A and B both did not win, and if you take A) -1, doesn't that lose as well?

[sportsbetwin]

This is an example of a game on their book now


Goal Handicap
[?] ADrawBSlavia Praha v Kladno -1 1.90 -1 6.00 +1 2.30 60 Mins Only. Overtime does not count.

So if team A win by 1 - both A and C are losses. I am not sure about the rules on the draw - does it mean any team has to win by 2????

If so - if team A wins by 1 the book cleans up. Surely not!

[sportsbetwin]

The middle entry above is for the draw

[sportsbetwin]

And the book is already taking 11.33% on those odds

I think draw-1 must be a winner if any team wins by 1

[LT Profits]

OK now it makes sense. I suspected it may have been a 3-way bet in the early stages of this thread. So you are right, since the tie (in this case, fave by exactly 1) was a third option, then either of the other options must actually cover for you to collect.

[InTheHole]

The odds would have tipped you off on the 3-way...no doubt about it

[sportsbetwin]

Yeah sometimes you make a mistake but you think 'no *%^kn way'. Then they tell you your're wrong but don't explain why. And you think 'ýou bastards are stiffing me'. Then you post in frustration. Then you calm down and reflect and realise you made a mistake. Then you have a few beers and think 'f*#* it - losing a hundred aint the worst thing that will happen to me'.

All good.

[InTheHole]

Yeah sometimes you make a mistake but you think 'no *%^kn way'. Then they tell you your're wrong but don't explain why. And you think 'ýou bastards are stiffing me'. Then you post in frustration. Then you calm down and reflect and realise you made a mistake. Then you have a few beers and think 'f*#* it - losing a hundred aint the worst thing that will happen to me'.

All good.

Happened to me sometime back when a game was "called" in the bottom of the fifth or sixth and I thought their was an exception to the home team calling a game without letting the visitors get their at bats. Made a big fuss about it...and I was dead wrong

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/104079-attn-toronto-baltimore-betters.html

[Art Vandeleigh]

Shoot first ask questions later? Seen that once or twice around here.