What will it take for Betmania, Sportsbook group, and Betus to get F ratings here?

[increasedodds]

....?

Sean

[tacomax]

Don't think I've heard enough to justify an F rating which are reserved for the out-and-out scams. Relegating those to F status would make a mockery of the rating system.

[increasedodds]

Are you kidding me? Sportsbook has not paid anyone in over a month.

Betmania is limiting people to $1000 withdrawals yet happily taking $10000 deposits.

Betus has a slew of complaints on the front page of the forum.

These books are much more dangerous than the unknown betatfranks or whatever because people know these names and see their banners and think ok.

Sean

[Doug]

Maybe when they stop paying their bills at other forums where they are sponsors.

I like the F+ grade myself.

[tacomax]

Are you kidding me?

No.

Although it's not good form to have delayed payments at all, unfortunately it's the nature of the beast at the moment. No doubt the books aren't sorting things out as quick as they would like or as quick as the players would like but that doesn't constitute F status.

Just look at the SBR categories:

D- to D+ Poor, some risk to players funds. Poor customer service, etc.
F to F+ Caution, extreme risk to players funds. Possibility of a scam.
F- Outright scam, book on brink of failure. No chance to recover funds.

Do you really think that all three books you mentioned should have the same rating as Pointbet - the company that appears to have shut up shop and run off with the money? Of course you have your own opinion but I'd say you're in the minority.

[JoshW]

Betmania is paying way to slow, but no way are they an F rating. Players are getting multiple payments, they are just having to wait weeks in between to get them.

F for me, me no intent to pay, scam operation. I believe Sportsbook.com will eventually pay so maybe a D- for them would be in order. SBR has once again been way out in front on Sportsbook.com with D+ ratings for a long time, specifically because of their lax attitude on CS which is coming through loudly at this point.

These delays are way to long, but with payment processing restrictions as they can't be viewed as clear signs of no pays.

[increasedodds]

As far as I'm concerned, if I have money at a book and can't get it for over 10 days, it is an F. I guess there are varying degrees of F. When a book outright lies over and over, well that's an F too...

Anyways, it does not matter, sportsbook will be long gone in a month. The other two will probably keep their ponzi shops alive on float.

Sean

[Santo]

I'd be surprised if sportsbook is gone in a month.

[Justin7]

If a book is confirmed to be in no-pay mode, that will generally get it in F rating. If they are paying most players, but causing problems for smarter or larger players, it will typically get a D- rating.