Kudos to BetPhoenix...

[Justin7]

Tons of NFL props on bunches of games. There are a lot of player props on key games as well. I haven't bet this many props since the Super Bowl.

I hate to look like a shill, but seriously, BP has become one of 3 "must-have" books for anyone with a bankroll of 5 - 100k (In addition to Pinnacle and Matchbook). -105 lines, props, generous teaser odds for pros.

What will happen with BP? My guesses: -105 lines will tighten up (but I hope they can keep them). Props will tighten slightly, but still be better. I'll be surprised if BP keeps "full-pay" teasers. But until all of this happens...

Milk the golden cow!

[vitalogist]

Hey Justin.... As one of the sharper cappers around here, mind starting a thread for some of your prop plays starting tomorrow and next week, maybe throw us squares a bone or two? I saw those too, but it was overwhelming, there were so many.....

[pavyracer]

Maybe you can fix the fridge with all these winning props.

[Justin7]

Maybe you can fix the fridge with all these winning props.

They paid for more than the fridge today...

Wager details for ticket number 13808707-1:

Wager Type:Money LineWager Status:WinRisk / To Win Amount:500.00 / 700.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:21 PM - ESTWon: 700.00Amount Paid: 1,200.00 Sport / Period:NFL Props Football / Game Selection:
Jaguars to Score First 9/27/2009 1:00:01 PM - (EST)
+140
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Wager details for ticket number 13808883-1:

Wager Type:TotalWager Status:WinRisk / To Win Amount:600.00 / 500.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:27 PM - ESTWon: 500.00Amount Paid: 1,100.00 Sport / Period:NFL Props Football / Game Selection:
Longest FG Yardage/Longest FG Yardage 9/27/2009 1:00:01 PM - (EST)
Over 44½ -120
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Wager details for ticket number 13809001-1:

Wager Type:TotalWager Status:WinRisk / To Win Amount:625.00 / 500.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:30 PM - ESTWon: 500.00Amount Paid: 1,125.00 Sport / Period:NFL Props Football / Game Selection:
M Jones-Drew Total Receptions/M Jones-Drew Total receptions 9/27/2009 1:00:01 PM - (EST)
Under 4½ -125
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Wager details for ticket number 13809105-1:

Wager Type:TotalWager Status:WinRisk / To Win Amount:575.00 / 500.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:32 PM - ESTWon: 500.00Amount Paid: 1,075.00 Sport / Period:NFL Props Football / Game Selection:
T Holt Total Receptions/T Holt Total receptions 9/27/2009 1:00:01 PM - (EST)
Under 4½ -115
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Wager details for ticket number 13809172-1:

Wager Type:TotalWager Status:WinRisk / To Win Amount:550.00 / 500.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:34 PM - ESTWon: 500.00Amount Paid: 1,050.00 Sport / Period:NFL Props Football / Game Selection:
M Lewis Total Receptions/M Lewis Total receptions 9/27/2009 1:00:01 PM - (EST)
Under 3½ -110
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Wager details for ticket number 13809317-1:

Wager Type:TotalWager Status:WinRisk / To Win Amount:525.00 / 500.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:38 PM - ESTWon: 500.00Amount Paid: 1,025.00 Sport / Period:NFL Props Football / Game Selection:
A JohnsonTotal Receptions/A Johnson Total receptions 9/27/2009 1:00:01 PM - (EST)
Under 7 -105
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Wager details for ticket number 13809317-2:

Wager Type:TotalWager Status:WinRisk / To Win Amount:575.00 / 500.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:38 PM - ESTWon: 500.00Amount Paid: 1,075.00 Sport / Period:NFL Props Football / Game Selection:
A Johnson Total Receiving Yards/A Johnson Total Receiving yards 9/27/2009 1:00:01 PM - (EST)
Under 93½ -115
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Wager details for ticket number 13809679-1:

Wager Type:TotalWager Status:LossRisk / To Win Amount:575.00 / 500.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:47 PM - ESTLost: 575.00 Sport / Period:NFL Props Football / Game Selection:
O Daniels Total Receptions/O Daniels Total receptions 9/27/2009 1:00:01 PM - (EST)
Under 4½ -115
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Wager details for ticket number 13809679-2:

Wager Type:Money LineWager Status:LossRisk / To Win Amount:625.00 / 500.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:47 PM - ESTLost: 625.00 Sport / Period:NFL Props Football / Game Selection:
Packers to have longest FG 9/27/2009 1:00:01 PM - (EST)
-125
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Wager details for ticket number 13809679-3:

Wager Type:TotalWager Status:LossRisk / To Win Amount:550.00 / 500.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:47 PM - ESTLost: 550.00 Sport / Period:NFL Props Football / Game Selection:
Longest FG Yardage/Longest FG Yardage 9/27/2009 1:00:01 PM - (EST)
Under 44½ -110
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Wager details for ticket number 13809902-1:

Wager Type:TotalWager Status:WinRisk / To Win Amount:1,050.00 / 1,000.00 (nul) Accepted 9/27/2009 12:51 PM - ESTWon: 1,000.00Amount Paid: 2,050.00 Sport / Period:NFL Football / Game Selection:
New Orleans Saints/Buffalo Bills 9/27/2009 4:05:01 PM - (EST)
Under 51 -105
* Event Notes:
NFL Week 3 - Regular Season
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5k pending in props on tonight's game.

[Al Masters]

Justin, my understanding was that their max payouts are low, would this not be reason enough to not keep a substancial amount in an account with them?

I read at another forum that their max payout was 4k so if a dime player gets his account to like 40k and wants out the wait would be long,where as at The Greek or Pinnacle its ASAP.

[BeatTheJerk]

Holyshit ! Huge day thusfar

[raydog]

nice day j7. i was telling someone in chat just yesterday that they have plenty of money behind them and i think that they could be on top of the industry before you know it. they let me bet just about anything i want and like you said, the prop offers are awesome right now. A+ book, must have out....wait, do i have the right book??? i think i do

[Justin7]

Justin, my understanding was that their max payouts are low, would this not be reason enough to not keep a substancial amount in an account with them?

I read at another forum that their max payout was 4k so if a dime player gets his account to like 40k and wants out the wait would be long,where as at The Greek or Pinnacle its ASAP.

Good question - I'd love it if BP chimes in.

As with all investments, it is a matter of opportunity and time. If I'm finding lots of 10-20% EV opportunities, I'm ok taking my money out over time. Or, you could micromanage, and take out 4k a week in the middle of the season to keep your balance lower.

The single biggest question you must ask yourself (repeatedly, every month) is: Is my money safe at this book? While this could change with any book from month to month, I currently feel fine keeping a large balance at BP. That said, don't take my word for it. Do your own due diligence.

[FreeFall]

Justin when you find these lines that are +eV according to you, why is it that the books are off? Is it to try and make a number with more juice to get the public to take it and give them more money? They can't be foolish enough to just be clueless on their lines.

[The Bishop]

Only been using them for a few weeks but they appear to be really great so far.

[Justin7]

Justin when you find these lines that are +eV according to you, why is it that the books are off? Is it to try and make a number with more juice to get the public to take it and give them more money? They can't be foolish enough to just be clueless on their lines.

Most linesmakers can get close, but make systematic mistakes. If they get 1 in 10 props wrong by 50 cents, they are doing well. Those are the ones I'll bet.

[moses millsap]

all the credit outs ive used always have a ton of props for each game too

[moses millsap]

just logged into my BP acct, i think i opened it for some promo last year but have never deposited. this book pays out fast? are they associated with 5dimes? looks like the software is exactly the same.

[FreeFall]

Most linesmakers can get close, but make systematic mistakes. If they get 1 in 10 props wrong by 50 cents, they are doing well. Those are the ones I'll bet.

This might be crossing the line, but then doesn't that mean they should hire you instead of just getting shots taken at them by you?

[rake922]

The Teaser payout are tainted on BetPhoenix according to this stipulation

2 - 8 Teams Football 7 point teaser Push + Win = Push


So if I go 7-0-1, I don't win... I just get the wager refunded


That sucks

[Justin7]

The Teaser payout are tainted on BetPhoenix according to this stipulation

2 - 8 Teams Football 7 point teaser Push + Win = Push


So if I go 7-0-1, I don't win... I just get the wager refunded


That sucks

I'd be surprised if this is how they grade it. Normally, a tie reduces until you get to a 2-teamer.