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  • daggerkobe
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    • 03-25-08
    • 10744

    #1
    Took Dumbya 8 years to ruin our economy... took 8 months for Obama to fix it
    On Tuesday, Federal Reserve chief Ben Bernanke pronounced that the recession “is very likely over.”

    What’s the proof?

    While there are still plenty who are skeptical that the downturn has ended, here are five positive trends that support a more optimistic view:

    1. The stock market is acting more like a bull than a bear. The Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index is now up 58 percent from its March 9 low. “Over the last sixty years, the market has bottomed a median of 5 months before the recession ended,” says Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at Standard & Poor’s in New York. “That would mean the recession came to an end at the end of August.”

    2. New claims for unemployment peaked on March 28 when they hit 674,000. Now, they are down to 550,000. “Typically, after claims have peaked, the recovery is coming in four to eight weeks,” says economist Bob Brusca of Fact and Opinion Economics in New York.
    New unemployment claims reflect people who are getting laid off. “As the economy gets stronger, you expect fewer people [to be] getting displaced and the claims levels to drop – which they have done with regularity through the years,” says Mr. Brusca. “It’s a very good statistical indicator of when the recession is at its worst and when it’s going to end.”

    3. Many manufacturing sectors are finally turning up. On Wednesday, the Federal Reserve reported that industrial production rose 0.8 percent in August, the second consecutive monthly increase.
    Automobile production has been particularly strong, rising 43 percent in July and 12 percent in August. Much of the increase was related to the so-called “Cash for Clunkers” program. The steel industry, which sells a lot of product to the auto industry, has seen production rise sharply from May to August.
    “There has been a big inventory swing,” says Dan Meckstroth, chief economist at the Manufacturers Alliance/MAPI in Arlington, Va. “Usually, manufacturing doesn’t lead the business cycle but it was driven down so brutally, we’re getting a rebound effect,” he says.

    4. Gasoline deliveries have risen for the past three months, after declining for over a year and a half. Although increased gasoline usage may be the result of low prices (compared with a year ago), it may also signal that more people are commuting or shopping. “It could be a sign we are moving out of the recession,” says John Felmy, an economist with the American Petroleum Institute (API) in Washington.
    However, Mr. Felmy notes that goods often get shipped before they get sold. Besides, he says, demand for diesel has not picked up yet.
    “I’m not ready to call an end to the recession until diesel demand is up,” he says.

    5. Demand for freight transportation is rising, according to the Freight Transportation Services Index (TSI) put together by the US Department of Transportation.
    The index, which measures the output of trucks, railroads, inland waterways, pipelines and air freight, rose 1.6 percent in July. This is the first increase since February and the largest since January 2008.
    Over the past 25 years, an upturn in this index has been “coincident” with upturns in the economy, says Ken Notis, an economist at the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. “I would be wary about drawing too large a conclusion from one month,” says Mr. Notis, but he adds, “we also had a prior month of stability.”
    His conclusion: improvement in the TSI is consistent with the stabilization of growth and the bottoming of Gross Domestic Product.

  • Hotdiggity11
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    • 01-09-09
    • 4916

    #2
    The Right will spin it somehow. Probably leaning on unemployment even though it is always a lagging indicator.
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    • newjerseydevils
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      • 03-11-08
      • 3110

      #3
      great post...
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      • Mikail
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-19-09
        • 21689

        #4
        I am one of those who seeing throught this. How is anything fixed? The stock market is manipulated by the federal reserve, so they can make it appear to be in an upswing. Unemployment claims are down cause people have exausted their benefits and hav given up looking for work. Manufacturing up, then where are the jobs? Gasoline deliveries up brings me no comfort. People need gas either way! Freight transportation up? Even in this article the economist for the bureau of transportation statistics said "I would be wary of drawing to much of a conclusion from one month". Ben Bernake is a fraud and all him and all his criminal constituents in the federal reserve need to be arrested! Conclusion... the economy is not improving. Don't believe the hype!!!
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        • iwutitan
          Restricted User
          • 03-23-09
          • 210

          #5
          If everything holds up until the start of the next year, then it is fixed. But to say it is already fixed is a complete joke
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          • TexansFan
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            • 09-06-06
            • 3367

            #6
            The economy is now fixed? We are in for another severe downturn coming up I fear.
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            • ElCapitan
              SBR MVP
              • 08-19-08
              • 2129

              #7
              I love how you attribute these indicators to Obama's policies. Are you kidding me?
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              • jjgold
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                • 07-20-05
                • 388179

                #8
                A big downturn is coming after holiday season, we are running on empty.
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                • TexansFan
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                  • 09-06-06
                  • 3367

                  #9
                  One word, inflation.
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                  • nosniboR11
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                    • 09-02-08
                    • 10042

                    #10
                    lol ignorance is bliss sometimes, obama lovers will do anything
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                    • daggerkobe
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                      • 03-25-08
                      • 10744

                      #11
                      Originally posted by TexansFan
                      One word, inflation.

                      You mean deflation.


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                      • InTheHole
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                        • 04-28-08
                        • 15243

                        #12
                        In the next couple of years 1/2 our budget will serve debt. Europe is no longer safe.
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                        • DrStale
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                          • 12-07-08
                          • 9692

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ElCapitan
                          I love how you attribute these indicators to Obama's policies. Are you kidding me?
                          I love how it's Obamas fault when the economy is bad but suddenly it has nothing to do with him when the economy is good.
                          Originally posted by Dark Horse
                          If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                          • pavyracer
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                            • 04-12-07
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                            #14
                            Noone will credit Obama for fixing the economy so quickly.
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                            • ElCapitan
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                              • 08-19-08
                              • 2129

                              #15
                              I never said it was his fault the economy is bad. He took over at a bad time when things were already on their way down. Just like Clinton took over in 1992 at an upswing that had been set in motion by the people before him. It is my firm belief that the president has very little to do with the quality of the economy - it is cyclical. The Fed and congress are the only people who may flatten or sharpen the cyclical nature.
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                              • jellobiafra
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                                • 03-08-09
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by pavyracer
                                Noone will credit Obama for fixing the economy so quickly.
                                Nor should they. It's too early to know whether the economy is on the right track or not, but regardless it's way premature to start attributing credit. Just typical American partisanship in my view. It's always a race to assign blame or credit, depending on which side you support. Nobody really cares as much about the status of the nation as they do about being able to rub their opposition's face in its perceived failures.
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                                • yisman
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                                  • 09-01-08
                                  • 75682

                                  #17
                                  Nothing is fixed.

                                  The original poster has no clue as to how the economy works. He's good at copy and pasting stuff other people wrote, though.
                                  [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                  [/quote]

                                  [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                                  • TexansFan
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                                    • 09-06-06
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                                    #18
                                    No, I don't mean deflation. Inflation is coming, just watch. The gov't is going to stop buying treasury and mortgage backed securities. The gov't is printing too much money, we have too much debt.

                                    Keep your head in the sand and believe what you hear on tv.
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                                    • DwightShrute
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                                      • 01-17-09
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                                      #19
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                                      He has also fixed health care, cured world hunger, found a cure for cancer and world peace! ALL in less than 9 months!! WOW!

                                      He has done nothing but spend spend spend and prolonged and recovery and wait till the tax increase comes.

                                      Obama is the least experienced, least qualified, most liberal, narcissistic egomaniac to ever be president!!!

                                      He was a junior senator for 147 days before being elected leader of the free world!!!

                                      He is a political hack spawned from the notoriously corrupt Chicago political machine. He obviously has no clue what he is doing, and the failure of his policies only proves that with every passing day!!!

                                      who voted for Obama sure must feel stupid now!!! Because you sure were stupid for electing this moron into office!!! At least Jimmy Carter doesn't hold the 'worst ever president' title anymore.
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                                      • DrStale
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                                        • 12-07-08
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                                        #20
                                        Christ Dwight worst president ever? Take a history class, or at least check out wikipedia to see what a bad President really is. Pierce, Harding, Grant just off the top of my head were BAD. I love how "worst president of all time" in today's language has come to mean "worst president who's name I can remember" because the average citizen's knowledge of our own history is virtually non-existent.
                                        Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                        If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                                        • FreeFall
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                                          • 02-20-08
                                          • 3365

                                          #21
                                          you sir are wrong. Everything is inflated right now and you can see it in stock prices. There going up and theres no reason for it other than you usual gov blabber. Bottom line you need citizens spending and they really don't have money to spend...

                                          We'll see how it fairs over XMAS break.
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                                          • DwightShrute
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                                            • 01-17-09
                                            • 103752

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by DrStale
                                            Christ Dwight worst president ever? Take a history class, or at least check out wikipedia to see what a bad President really is. Pierce, Harding, Grant just off the top of my head were BAD. I love how "worst president of all time" in today's language has come to mean "worst president who's name I can remember" because the average citizen's knowledge of our own history is virtually non-existent.

                                            OK, in the last century then. What makes Obama #1 on the list of the worst, is that he is changing the fundamental values of America and the freedoms the country was founded on. Remember "We the People" ???

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                                            Christ Dwight has a kind of nice ring to it actually.
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                                            • jellobiafra
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                                              • 03-08-09
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                                              #23
                                              Typical right wing reactionary alarmism. From the OP to this last post we've pretty much run the gambit.

                                              Ain't America great?
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                                              • DwightShrute
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                                                • 01-17-09
                                                • 103752

                                                #24
                                                Some would argue that liberals didn’t cause the recession but lets look at some facts:

                                                Fact-Jimmy Carter signed into law the Community Reinvestment Act (1977), authorizing loans be made available to low-income households especially minorities!!!
                                                Fact-Bill Clinton repeals Glass-Stegall and reduces reserve requirements with Fed bank!!!
                                                Fact- Obama the lawyer threatens lawsuits against institutions for not making suspect loans!!!
                                                Fact- Obama (Democrat) receives 2nd most PAC money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!!!
                                                Fact-Chris Dodd (Democrat) receives the most PAC money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!!!
                                                Fact-The Democrats thwarted any and all legislation to put controls on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, though Republicans were initiating it!!!
                                                Fact-Barney Frank (Democrat) was the Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee during this time and has been on the committee for ten years…oh, and Frank received the 3rd most money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!!!
                                                You just can’t hide from the facts Democrats-!!!
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                                                • Deuce
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                                                  • 01-12-08
                                                  • 29843

                                                  #25
                                                  The thread starter must not live in US. Obongo is slowly burying this country. Were all doomed.
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                                                  • DrStale
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                                                    • 12-07-08
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                                    OK, in the last century then. What makes Obama #1 on the list of the worst, is that he is changing the fundamental values of America and the freedoms the country was founded on. Remember "We the People" ??? [ATTACH]8156[/ATTACH] Christ Dwight has a kind of nice ring to it actually.
                                                    W took away many more freedoms than O has.
                                                    W expanded the executive branch more than any President in history.

                                                    Its not the power you don't like, its what is done with the power. Thats why right-wingers didnt say a word when W started tapping our phones but went livid when National Health care was brought up.
                                                    Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                                    If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                                                    • DwightShrute
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                                                      • 01-17-09
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by DrStale
                                                      W took away many more freedoms than O has. W expanded the executive branch more than any President in history. Its not the power you don't like, its what is done with the power. Thats why right-wingers didnt say a word when W started tapping our phones but went livid when National Health care was brought up.
                                                      You seem to purposely miss the point. Why do you guys continuously say shit like that? Bush did this and Bush did that, so what Obama is doing is OK? WTF man. Two wrongs make a right? really?

                                                      I criticized the last president when he did wrong, all I am doing is the same with this guy. You guys make it sound like I am personally attacking YOU !

                                                      I wanted this President to really be the kind of Change he campaigned on. Clearly he has shown his true colors and is a huge phony and socialist. You want to blindly support Obama, be my guest.
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                                                      • daggerkobe
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                                                        • 03-25-08
                                                        • 10744

                                                        #28
                                                        Economic Confidence Rebounds

                                                        Economists and consumers are feeling better about the economy a year after the most frightening moments of the financial crisis. Forecasters surveyed by The Wall Street Journal, giving the government generally good marks for its handling of the financial crisis, now see employers slowly adding jobs over the next 12 months.

                                                        And the latest reading of consumer spirits shows signs of optimism. But most economists still expect the unemployment rate will climb to 10.2%, from today's 9.7%, before falling early next year.

                                                        "We are in a technical recovery, but risks remain abundant," said Diane Swonk of Mesirow Financial. "It will still take some luck and skill to get Main Street to feel some of the relief Wall Street has felt."

                                                        Main Street is beginning to feel some relief, though, according to the Reuters/University of Michigan preliminary reading of consumer sentiment for September, released Friday.

                                                        The index rose to 70.2 in September from to 65.7 in August, the first increase since June. Consumers felt better about current conditions, and about the future.
                                                        "[There's] just this general feeling that the worst is behind us in the economy," said Conrad DeQuadros, an economist for RDQ Economics. "That's probably offsetting some of the factors that dampen consumer sentiment," such as rising oil prices and an economy that's still shedding jobs.

                                                        The 51 forecasters surveyed over the past week, not all of whom answered every question, are increasingly confident that the U.S. economy is growing again.

                                                        They predicted in the new Wall Street Journal survey that the U.S. will grow at a 3% annual rate in the current quarter -- well above the 0.6% forecast they made just three months ago -- and will expand at a 2.5% pace in the fourth quarter.


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                                                        • DrStale
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                                                          • 12-07-08
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                                          You seem to purposely miss the point. Why do you guys continuously say shit like that? Bush did this and Bush did that, so what Obama is doing is OK? WTF man. Two wrongs make a right? really? I criticized the last president when he did wrong, all I am doing is the same with this guy. You guys make it sound like I am personally attacking YOU ! I wanted this President to really be the kind of Change he campaigned on. Clearly he has shown his true colors and is a huge phony and socialist. You want to blindly support Obama, be my guest.
                                                          When did I ever say I approved of what Obama was doing? I just said that both he and and W had too much power. My point was that W lovers completely ignore what W did with the power but suddenly they're aware of the power the President has and they're no longer happy.
                                                          Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                                          If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                                                          • jellobiafra
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                                                            • 03-08-09
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by DwightShrute

                                                            I wanted this President to really be the kind of Change he campaigned on. Clearly he has shown his true colors and is a huge phony and socialist. You want to blindly support Obama, be my guest.

                                                            LOL. How magnanimous of you to give him all of 8 months before you decided he was the anti-Christ. You are clearly an open minded non-partisan. Clearly.
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                                                            • DwightShrute
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                                                              • 01-17-09
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by DrStale
                                                              When did I ever say I approved of what Obama was doing? I just said that both he and and W had too much power. My point was that W lovers completely ignore what W did with the power but suddenly they're aware of the power the President has and they're no longer happy.

                                                              OMG DR.

                                                              Ok, so why always bring up Bush? Not you only of course. Bush is no longer is Power! Get over it.


                                                              Bush signed the first stimulus package, he started it. Na na na na na na. SO Obama does another one for 900 billion and who cares because Bush started it. And it goes on and on. Bush left a deficit, so Obama spending 3 trillion and 11 trillion over over the next few years justifies it. Bush did it first.

                                                              Didn't he say he will CHANGE!

                                                              A fraud he is! Live with it!
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                                                              • capitalist pig
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by DrStale

                                                                Its not the power you don't like, its what is done with the power. Thats why right-wingers didnt say a word when W started tapping our phones but went livid when National Health care was brought up.
                                                                Im semi far right and dont see why anyone who isnt doing anything terrorist / illegal wise to trigger a wiretap would even care about that.You make it sound like they have tapped everyones phone, when in reality its such a small #.Even Obama has kept the wire tap thing going,in April the DOJ under Obama said that its in the need of national security to keep it going.Obama changed his tune from pre election on this issue, which is fine if its in the interest of national security.

                                                                I also dont care about healthcare, its going to be expensive no matter what happens or doesnt happen. The only thing Id have a problem with is covering illegal aliens in any way shape or form, and anyone who pays taxes should care about that.

                                                                In my case at least, and most people I know, we arent against Obama, its the House and Senate we dont like. In 2010 we will see more republicans take back seats in the house and senate, and things will be back to normal, that is nothing being done at all, and the country will do just fine.

                                                                later
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                                                                • tullamore
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  The economy started going down hill in April of 2000, before Bush was even in office. The tech bubble, caused the fed to lower interest rates to an all time low, which enabled many unqualified individuals to gain variable interest rate loans on mortgages which they had no means of paying when interest rates rised. There is plenty of blame to go around. Not everything is Bush's fault.
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                                                                  • DwightShrute
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                                                                    • 01-17-09
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by jellobiafra
                                                                    LOL. How magnanimous of you to give him all of 8 months before you decided he was the anti-Christ. You are clearly an open minded non-partisan. Clearly.
                                                                    Yes I am actually open minded. But being open minded has nothing do with it. Open minded to what? The truth hurts sometimes. How long shall we give him? 6 more years? How bout we repeal the max 2 terms and let him run forever. He clearly has done a superb jib so far.

                                                                    I don't have to actually fall off a building to know that it will hurt.

                                                                    I also saw that Ryan Leaf (after being picked ahead of Payton Manning) was a bust but those out there still believed he wouldn't be. Even though 'football people' still signed him after it was obvious he was a failure as a pro QB.

                                                                    I call a spade a spade.

                                                                    You are clearly an open minded non-naive rational common sense thinker. Clearly.
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                                                                    • DwightShrute
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 01-17-09
                                                                      • 103752

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by tullamore
                                                                      The economy started going down hill in April of 2000, before Bush was even in office. The tech bubble, caused the fed to lower interest rates to an all time low, which enabled many unqualified individuals to gain variable interest rate loans on mortgages which they had no means of paying when interest rates rised. There is plenty of blame to go around. Not everything is Bush's fault.
                                                                      common sense lives
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