I have made some mistakes and need advice. Please Help.

[Irish_Blood]

Okay here we go.

First mistake:
I fell for all of the Johm Morrison propaganda and bougt his system.
Not that I think the system is all that bad but his marketing is completely misleading and I firmly believe he should not profit from lies.
Status: Resolved through clickbank refund.

Second mistake:
I opened an account with BETUS.
Some of you have probably heard this sad scenario more than a few times, I am sure. I unfortunately accepted a bonus offer. At the time I misunderstood the terms of the offer. I thought the bonus wash cash and not matchplay and I thought to recieve the bonus I would have to bet 5 times the bonus amount to have it released to me. This seemed pretty standard to me because every poker room I have ever played in does it pretty much the same way. Well as it turns out they gave me the matchplay up front and my entire deposit ($1,000) plus the match play ($335) was now locked into a rollover of 5x ($1,335 x 5). That's an insane amount to have to bet in order to free my money for withdrawal. Not to mention MLB only counted as 1/4 action and the NBA was only 1/2 action. 24k in bets if the only thing I played was MLB, just for a measly $335 in match play!

Can you say WTF?

Here is where I stand, my account is up 10% and about half the match play is still available. I was thinking of opening an account with another book and attempt to hedge my money out of BETUS. But the idea came to me that I might be able to do a ********** because I used my CC to make the deposit. Does anyone know if this can be done succesfully? If so, will this create problems for me when I want to open an account with 5Dimes or betjamaica?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards.

[Sam Odom]

From what you posted I see NO fraud therefore no legit reason to do a charge-back.

[smitch124]

Are there any bets that count 100% towards the rollover?

[Irish_Blood]

Hi Sam Odom, Thanks for replying.

I am not an attorney so I really couldn't say what constitutes fraud and what doesn't.
Does the fact that they were not forthcoming with all the details about the bonus terms and conditions constitute fraud?
I can tell you honestly that if they had informed me of everything I would not of accepted the bonus. I was only made fully aware of them when I tried to close my account. I belive I was deliberately mislead into accepting this bonus.

[Irish_Blood]

Are there any bets that count 100% towards the rollover?

Hi smitch124.

Nothing is 100%. The totals are calculated minus vigs. Also any bets with odds +140 or higher will not count at all.

[rookie]

There have been threads about sportsbooks sharing information about chargebacks. So, beware of that.

[JoshW]

A ********** would be out of line here. 99% of people who play through their deposit and stay on BetUS about withdrawals get paid. Even the 1% likely will get paid eventually if they keep pushing.

[Flight]

Also any bets with odds +140 or higher will not count at all.

I was going to recommend you bet +200 MLB and hedge your way out, but damn that sucks. Pay attention to fine print at BetUS!

[Justin7]

BetUS is perhaps the most clear book I've ever dealt with when it comes to bonus terms. Not only is it clearly in writing, but they read them to you over the phone when you sign up/deposit.

BetUS is an easy book to beat. If you do a charge back, you are committing fraud. Instead, just beat them.

The next "C" JM bet, just bet the other side right before the game begins. You'll quickly be removed from the shaded JM line set.

[Irish_Blood]

A ********** would be out of line here. 99% of people who play through their deposit and stay on BetUS about withdrawals get paid. Even the 1% likely will get paid eventually if they keep pushing.

Hi Josh, thanks for your input.

So 99% of people get there withdrawals, but not just by asking for it and 1% eventually get it back by continual pushing...whatever that entails.

So what are you saying about BETUS with this statement? That they eventualy do the right thing if you force them to. That doesn't sound like and upstanding company to me.

Just an aditional note about my situation. The entire sign up process was done over the phone. So I believe it was the sales persons responsibility to inform me of all details regarding this bonus they were trying to sale me on. That was not done. Furthermore it's not as if I am trying to recover lost wagers, my account is actually up 10% and all I want is my original deposit back. I do not want to be associated with this book and there are plenty of reasons for me to feel this way. Unfortunately for me I uncovered all the negative things about them after I signed up.

[Justin7]

Hi Josh, thanks for your input.

So 99% of people get there withdrawals, but not just by asking for it and 1% eventually get it back by continual pushing...whatever that entails.

So what are you saying about BETUS with this statement? That they eventualy do the right thing if you force them to. That doesn't sound like and upstanding company to me.

Just an aditional note about my situation. The entire sign up process was done over the phone. So I believe it was the sales persons responsibility to inform me of all details regarding this bonus they were trying to sale me on. That was not done. Furthermore it's not as if I am trying to recover lost wagers, my account is actually up 10% and all I want is my original deposit back. I do not want to be associated with this book and there are plenty of reasons for me to feel this way. Unfortunately for me I uncovered all the negative things about them after I signed up.

Irish,

If you sign up, it's your responsibility to read the bonus terms. I've seen legitimate complaints against lots of books, and this isn't one of them. They probably have a recording of your signup where they explained what rollover is, and what counts towards it.

You can call your credit card. You can commit fraud, denying that you ever made the deposit. If you approved the charge and go back to your cc and say you didn't, that is fraud. You might get away with it, but you're still committing a crime.

I think every book out there has an occasional payout complexity. BetUS has had a fantastic payout record for quite some time now - I'm not aware of a single legitimate problem filed against them in the last year.

[CaneDawg]

i do not have any advice

but i really hope it works out for u

[Irish_Blood]

BetUS is perhaps the most clear book I've ever dealt with when it comes to bonus terms. Not only is it clearly in writing, but they read them to you over the phone when you sign up/deposit.

BetUS is an easy book to beat. If you do a charge back, you are committing fraud. Instead, just beat them.

The next "C" JM bet, just bet the other side right before the game begins. You'll quickly be removed from the shaded JM line set.

Hi Justin7, I appreciate your comments.

I absolutely don't want to commit fraud.

As far as your experience with BETUS, I wont argue that.
However, I do stand by my statement that I was not made fully aware of the terms regarding the acceptance of a bonus.

I was wondering how to get rid of the skewed lines I get because of signing up through JM, thank you very much for that piece of advice.

I feel I was decieved but it seems the consensus opinion is that it doesn't give me any reason to get my money back until I fill the obligations that I was not informed of from the beginning.

I am not a high volume bettor (about $100 a week) at this rate it will be close to 2 years to clear the rollover since most of my bets will be MLB (1/4 action) and NBA (1/2 action) wagers.

My only option to remove my money in a timely manner is to hedge it out.

[jellobiafra]

Justin you should repost your BETUS/JM video in this thread for Irish.

And Irish, how are you going to pull off a ********** when you've been wagering with the money you deposited? Seems like it'd be easy to catch you in that lie.

[Irish_Blood]

I want to thank everyone for chiming in.

I was a little suprised to hear that BETUS has had no legitimate complaints in the last years from Justin7. I find it odd that the ratings for BETUS here on SBR don't reflect the comments given.

Oh well, I will hedge my money out of BETUS and all will eventually end well.
No committing of fraud and I will not be potientially blacklisted as well as ending up with an account with a book that I feel is more reputable.

[Irish_Blood]

Justin you should repost your BETUS/JM video in this thread for Irish.

And Irish, how are you going to pull off a ********** when you've been wagering with the money you deposited? Seems like it'd be easy to catch you in that lie.

Hi jellobifra.

I have already watched the video, but thanks for suggesting it.

When I cancelled my association with JM I continued to use BETUS becasue I was not aware of their rating as well as all the negative things posted about them here on SBR. After reading a ton of stuff about them I decided it would be smart to move to a better rated book. I called to close my account and this is when I was clearly informed of all the terms of accepting the bonus.

The only reason I even considered a ********** was because
1. I believe I was mislead into accepting the bonus.
2. My entire deposit plus 10% is in my account currently.
I would never think of doing a ********** in order to regain lost wagers
However to get back what is mine and that I believe they are holding without just cause I definately gave it some thought.

All I want is to move my original deposit over to 5dimes or betjamaica.

I do not want steal from anybody.