Is BetPhoenix taking a stand with the BUCKEYES??

[Fishhead]

They have had the best or close to the best line on USC throughout the week.........currently at just -6.5 -111 with the Trojans.

[pico]

yep. something is up. if osu covers, betpheonix is a sharp book

[Fishhead]

Both Matchbook and Pinnacle are at -6.5 -115.............and hoards of shops at -7 flat.

How long will this -6.5 -111 stay hanging at BetPhoenix?

Do they have a little gamble in them?

[durito]

they aren't afraid of taking positions

[Fishhead]

they aren't afraid of taking positions

I'm sensing that more and more each passing week.

Is this a good thing?

[durito]

That really just depends.

Books that tried to beat pinnacle before all lost. See cascade.

Phoenix seems to be backed by deep pockets, but so was cascade for a while, those investors bail and who knows.

Nevertheless, the offshore environment is a bit different these days, and phoenix is targeting a broader range of customers.

Oh, and they keep taking my money, so perhaps they know what they are doing.

[Fishhead]

That really just depends.

Books that tried to beat pinnacle before all lost. See cascade.

Phoenix seems to be backed by deep pockets, but so was cascade for a while, those investors bail and who knows.

Nevertheless, the offshore environment is a bit different these days, and phoenix is targeting a broader range of customers.

Oh, and they keep taking my money, so perhaps they know what they are doing.

......Nicky's and mine also.

[ATX]

USC should not be favored by 6

[durito]

USC should not be favored by 6

of course not

[ATX]

4 max

[flyingillini]

Where I play it is -6.5 -108 +6.5 -108

[Fishhead]

Where I play it is -6.5 -108 +6.5 -108

I got -6 -108 where you play.........

[Fishhead]

4 max

........

They are laying -6.5 more than they are taking it..............how can you say the line should be -4 max???

[durito]

........

They are laying -6.5 more than they are taking it..............how can you say the line should be -4 max???

ask john morrison

[ATX]

........

They are laying -6.5 more than they are taking it..............how can you say the line should be -4 max???

green qb visiting the shoe at nite?

USC is not historically a good road team anyways, at least not when they play above average teams

2007 SCHEDULE
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Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result

09/01/07 vs. Idaho L.A. Coliseum W, 38-10
09/15/07 at Nebraska Lincoln, Neb W, 49-31
09/22/07 vs. Washington State * L.A. Coliseum W, 47-14
09/29/07 at Washington * Seattle, WA W, 27-24
10/06/07 vs. Stanford * L.A. Coliseum L, 24-23
10/13/07 vs. Arizona * L.A. Coliseum W, 20-13
10/20/07 at Notre Dame South Bend, IN W, 38-0
10/27/07 at Oregon * Eugene, OR L, 24-17
11/03/07 vs. Oregon State * L.A. Coliseum W, 24-3
11/10/07 at Cal * Berkeley, CA W, 24-17
11/22/07 at Arizona State * Tempe, AZ W, 44-24
12/01/07 vs. UCLA * L.A. Coliseum W, 24-7
01/01/08 vs. Illinois Rose Bowl W, 49-17
04/19/08 vs. Trojan Huddle L.A. Coliseum 11:00 a.m. PT

2007 SCHEDULE
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Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result

09/01/07 vs. Idaho L.A. Coliseum W, 38-10
09/15/07 at Nebraska Lincoln, Neb W, 49-31
09/22/07 vs. Washington State * L.A. Coliseum W, 47-14
09/29/07 at Washington * Seattle, WA W, 27-24
10/06/07 vs. Stanford * L.A. Coliseum L, 24-23
10/13/07 vs. Arizona * L.A. Coliseum W, 20-13
10/20/07 at Notre Dame South Bend, IN W, 38-0
10/27/07 at Oregon * Eugene, OR L, 24-17
11/03/07 vs. Oregon State * L.A. Coliseum W, 24-3
11/10/07 at Cal * Berkeley, CA W, 24-17
11/22/07 at Arizona State * Tempe, AZ W, 44-24
12/01/07 vs. UCLA * L.A. Coliseum W, 24-7
01/01/08 vs. Illinois Rose Bowl W, 49-17
04/19/08 vs. Trojan Huddle L.A. Coliseum 11:00 a.m. PT

It's possible Ohio State has some serious problems and that is why they struggled with Navy, but I don't think that is the case. This USC team was not projected to be great this year...next year they should be solid. The OSU ML is good as well. I don't feel like digging up the OSU schedules, but you wont find many home losses by more than 7.

[ATX]

I was sidetracked by the Clemson game landing on my 3, here's the 2008

2008 SCHEDULE
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Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result

08/30/08 at Virginia Charlottesville, VA W, 52-7
09/13/08 vs. Ohio State L.A. Coliseum W, 35-3
09/25/08 at Oregon State Corvallis, OR L, 27-21
10/04/08 vs. Oregon * L.A. Coliseum W, 44-10
10/11/08 vs. Arizona State * L.A. Coliseum W, 28-0
10/18/08 at Washington State * Pullman, WA W, 69-0
10/25/08 at Arizona Tucson, AZ W, 17-10
11/01/08 vs. Washington * L.A. Coliseum W, 56-0
11/08/08 vs. California * L.A. Coliseum W, 17-3
11/15/08 at Stanford * Stanford, CA W, 45-23
11/29/08 vs. Notre Dame L.A. Coliseum W, 38-3
12/06/08 at UCLA * Rose Bowl W, 28-7
01/01/09 vs. Penn State Rose Bowl W, 38-24

[Fishhead]

My point is that -4 would have been a terrible line............no matter the actual outcome.

[durito]

My point is that -4 would have been a terrible line............no matter the actual outcome.

huh

[Fishhead]

huh

Why should the line be -4 when 70% of the people betting into you would lay -6...........whatta you mean "huh"?

[ATX]

Why should the line be -4 when 70% of the people betting into you would lay -6...........whatta you mean "huh"?

true.

I had this exact discussion with a few people at EOG in July. they didn't get it.

they were saying the line should be USC -2, and I said the books would get appx. 97% action on the Trojans with that

[Fishhead]

true.

I had this exact discussion with a few people at EOG in July. they didn't get it.

they were saying the line should be USC -2, and I said the books would get appx. 97% action on the Trojans with that

It appears that -6.5 -117 or -7 -EV is where this line is going to settle in at........agree?

[durito]

ah, huh

[Fishhead]

It appears that -6.5 -117 or -7 -EV is where this line is going to settle in at........agree?

We still may see a few -7.5's at the SIA's and shops that are similar.

[durito]

anyone want to give me 7.5?

[Fishhead]

anyone want to give me 7.5?

Matchbook is +7 -105 currently............fyi.

[Slim]

Creditwagering has had USC -6 -120 all week.

[durito]

+7 -105 + commission is not = to +7.5

[durito]

Creditwagering has had USC -6 -120 all week.

shocking. perhaps you loaded up your $10 limit on it

[ATX]

It appears that -6.5 -117 or -7 -EV is where this line is going to settle in at........agree?

not sure.

I don't know what percentage of the volume that will come in on this game has already been booked, I would imagine the largest volume will come in the 24 hours before the game.

I also don't know if the syndicates see things my way or not or pass.

lots of yoyo line moves today, tends to happen a bit more frequently early in the year when the numbers are less certain

[pat venditto]

Durito send me all your sbr points for now on. God bless.

[Slim]

durito is always bitter because he loses.

[ATX]

the 7 is somewhat key in OSU's recent history so I kinda doubt +7 +100 will be w/a but I was surprised by the Michigan drastic move even though I hit +5.

[Fishhead]

If USC wins by six, ..........WOW!

[ATX]

no, I took Michigan +5 over ND.

I don't middle college football, I lay some off if I get a bad feeling about a game at a better number, but I rarely catch the middle. I did hit a very nice one with Ball State last year, but I really haven't met anyone that honestly does well middling NCAA football. the old saying "you will go broke middling college football..." is fairly accurate IMO.

[betplom]

yep. something is up. if osu covers, betpheonix is a sharp book

And if they don't BetPhoenix isn't?

Picoman, I never understood Chinese logic.