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  • agendaman
    SBR MVP
    • 12-01-11
    • 3747

    #1
    paid touts
    my question- should all touts who charge for their services be legally banned. my answer-yes.thoughts on this topic.
  • Headsterx
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-03-16
    • 23323

    #2
    Oh hell no! What's next, ban tarrot readings, psychics hotlines, etc. There is so much evidence and examples of these being frauds but if someone still wants to believe and waste their money, then so be it. Why do we need the government to step in and protect the dumb? If someone wants to be dumb, then be dumb.
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    • stevenash
      Moderator
      • 01-17-11
      • 65815

      #3
      ^
      I like that take.

      This isn't the 90's anymore when you read about people getting ripped off in an Ethiopian e-mail fraud.
      If you get taken by some blowhard that claims 78 percent sustained success than the one who should be locked up is you, first degree stupidity.
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      • ChuckyTheGoat
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 04-04-11
        • 37876

        #4
        Originally posted by agendaman
        my question- should all touts who charge for their services be legally banned. my answer-yes.thoughts on this topic.
        Agenda, I agree with some of what Nashy wrote. I have a few basic opinions:

        1) If a tout is feasting on someone Mentally-challenged, then that's criminal. If you think about it, a lot of people might qualify for that.

        2) As for the Tout transaction, it's a weird one. You normally exchange $$ for Goods + Services. A sports-tout might be akin to a Stock-picker. If someone offers their opinion for a fee, the Buyer can purchase at their discretion. There's no obligation. As for the value of the product received, that's dubious. One could argue that anyone's opinion is as good as the next guy's opinion.

        3) I do think the public view of Touts has changed. It was a relatively new industry in the 1990s. If you're un-informed, you might think these opinions have value. Times have changed. I think that MOST people are wise enough to know that MOST touts don't merit the fee.
        Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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        • ChuckyTheGoat
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 04-04-11
          • 37876

          #5
          I could speak more about this topic. Also, some Touts rate very high on the Unintentional Comedy scale:

          *I'd buy $100 to anyone who provided a full season of the Sports Advisers on VHS.
          Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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          • mjsuax13
            Moderator
            • 03-14-15
            • 25201

            #6
            Originally posted by Headsterx
            Oh hell no! What's next, ban tarrot readings, psychics hotlines, etc. There is so much evidence and examples of these being frauds but if someone still wants to believe and waste their money, then so be it. Why do we need the government to step in and protect the dumb? If someone wants to be dumb, then be dumb.
            Ha! If we setup a department to “protect the dumb” we’d double the national debt. Outlook for humanity is bleak.
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            • ChuckyTheGoat
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 04-04-11
              • 37876

              #7
              Originally posted by mjsuax13
              Ha! If we setup a department to “protect the dumb” we’d double the national debt. Outlook for humanity is bleak.
              If I could make a Daily Wager on someone to do something stupid, I'd lay -120 every time. And I'm sure that I'd turn a nice ROI.
              Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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              • mjsuax13
                Moderator
                • 03-14-15
                • 25201

                #8
                Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                If I could make a Daily Wager on someone to do something stupid, I'd lay -120 every time. And I'm sure that I'd turn a nice ROI.
                In some cases you could pick the same person and hit 75%. A unicorn so to speak.
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                • agendaman
                  SBR MVP
                  • 12-01-11
                  • 3747

                  #9
                  good pts. gents. wow you go to youtube and it seems like there are hundreds of them. how can they all make a living.i will bet billy walters never paid a tout.
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                  • TheGoldenGoose
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-27-12
                    • 3745

                    #10
                    Final thoughts.

                    Who is/was the GOAT sports tout?

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                    • mjsuax13
                      Moderator
                      • 03-14-15
                      • 25201

                      #11
                      Originally posted by agendaman
                      good pts. gents. wow you go to youtube and it seems like there are hundreds of them. how can they all make a living.i will bet billy walters never paid a tout.
                      YouTube, X, general internet, etc… loaded with scammers. Everyone looking for a shortcut. Most could get a magic 8 ball and hit 50/50.
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                      • mjsuax13
                        Moderator
                        • 03-14-15
                        • 25201

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TheGoldenGoose
                        Final thoughts.

                        Who is/was the GOAT sports tout?

                        2 ways to look at this:

                        1. Guy who actually won more than he lost?! Has to be one.
                        2. Guy who scammed his way to millions with a shitty record.

                        Not sure who is the GOAT.
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                        • Optional
                          Administrator
                          • 06-10-10
                          • 62066

                          #13
                          After having seem dozens of guys come through here as a new sports bettor trying to learn a math based capping system... who then achieve some success and immediately start thinking about selling picks... I think wanting to go tout is a very natural thought for a lot of people.

                          What those people choose to do once they realize they need to lie to keep customers on-going is the test of character.
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                          • TheGoldenGoose
                            SBR MVP
                            • 11-27-12
                            • 3745

                            #14
                            That reality tv series with “Steve Stevens” was hilarious. Telephone hard sales… “How do you handle your business? Vcard or Mcard?”

                            Then they fly the mark into Vegas to wager $30K a game. Martingale the guy first two games and he’s down $90K sweating around the barstools.

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                            • mjsuax13
                              Moderator
                              • 03-14-15
                              • 25201

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TheGoldenGoose
                              That reality tv series with “Steve Stevens” was hilarious. Telephone hard sales… “How do you handle your business? Vcard or Mcard?”

                              Then they fly the mark into Vegas to wager $30K a game. Martingale the guy first two games and he’s down $90K sweating around the barstools.

                              I’m not the bookie, I’m the bookie killer!
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                              • DonnieBrasco23
                                Benched
                                • 11-06-23
                                • 1137

                                #16
                                I absolutely despise any kind of sports betting tout. Most of these touts need other peoples money to just cover their juice and make a small living. Also some don’t even bet their own picks and take your money those are the real scumbag scamming losers. Fawk them I can’t even go on X much anymore so many of those assholes on there.
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                                • Getch13
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 07-13-18
                                  • 6948

                                  #17
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                                  • JIBBBY
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 12-10-09
                                    • 83686

                                    #18
                                    It's on the idiots who pay them. Can't criminalize dumb.
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                                    • ChuckyTheGoat
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 04-04-11
                                      • 37876

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by TheGoldenGoose
                                      Final thoughts.

                                      Who is/was the GOAT sports tout?

                                      I'll give my response to that. But I have to qualify it. I'll do it by categories:

                                      1) Who made the most $$? Probably Jim Feist.
                                      ...He made it LOOK credible. He was smart enough to turn on the Money-printer.

                                      2) Who was the best marketer? Probably Wayne Root.
                                      ...He made it look believable. And he talked a good game.

                                      3) Who was the most outrageous? Stu Feiner.
                                      ...See above. He arguably created a cottage industry out of thin air.
                                      Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                      • mjsuax13
                                        Moderator
                                        • 03-14-15
                                        • 25201

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                        It's on the idiots who pay them. Can't criminalize dumb.
                                        Correct- people still buy cigarettes too.
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                                        • stevenash
                                          Moderator
                                          • 01-17-11
                                          • 65815

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by mjsuax13

                                          Not sure who is the GOAT.
                                          Thom O. Rino wanted to be the GOAT tout.

                                          Too bad he was about as subtle as a boot to the yam bag going about it.
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                                          • DonnieBrasco23
                                            Benched
                                            • 11-06-23
                                            • 1137

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by stevenash
                                            Thom O. Rino wanted to be the GOAT tout.

                                            Too bad he was about as subtle as a boot to the yam bag going about it.
                                            Thomorino is in-fact an active tout who charges money for his plays. That's why he has such a HUGE ego.


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                                            • povis
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 08-31-16
                                              • 360

                                              #23
                                              Some people think Dan Bilzerian made his money from high stakes poker, same with betting touts at least some are entertaining.
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                                              • JIBBBY
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 12-10-09
                                                • 83686

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                It's on the idiots who pay them. Can't criminalize dumb.
                                                I don't know how anyone can still smoke those cancer sticks. They give you cancer and you always stink like smoke, clothes and car also. It just isn't cool to smoke cigs like back in the day either.
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                                                • JIBBBY
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 12-10-09
                                                  • 83686

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by DonnieBrasco23
                                                  Thomorino is in-fact an active tout who charges money for his plays. That's why he has such a HUGE ego.


                                                  https://experts.winnersandwhiners.com/cappers/18
                                                  Is that really Thermaflu? That dude sucked at gambling. He should pay people to follow his picks.
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                                                  • stevenash
                                                    Moderator
                                                    • 01-17-11
                                                    • 65815

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DonnieBrasco23
                                                    Thomorino is in-fact an active tout who charges money for his plays. That's why he has such a HUGE ego.

                                                    What you call 'huge ego' I call delusional.
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                                                    • mjsuax13
                                                      Moderator
                                                      • 03-14-15
                                                      • 25201

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by stevenash
                                                      Thom O. Rino wanted to be the GOAT tout.

                                                      Too bad he was about as subtle as a boot to the yam bag going about it.
                                                      Dumb shit!
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                                                      • mjsuax13
                                                        Moderator
                                                        • 03-14-15
                                                        • 25201

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by DonnieBrasco23
                                                        Thomorino is in-fact an active tout who charges money for his plays. That's why he has such a HUGE ego.


                                                        https://experts.winnersandwhiners.com/cappers/18
                                                        Classic. You are a parasite!
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                                                        • mjsuax13
                                                          Moderator
                                                          • 03-14-15
                                                          • 25201

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by povis
                                                          Some people think Dan Bilzerian made his money from high stakes poker, same with betting touts at least some are entertaining.
                                                          Possibly. People do win and win big. It definitely happens.
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                                                          • kyhawk
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 06-21-08
                                                            • 1012

                                                            #30
                                                            Stu Feiner proves hes
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                                                            • stevenash
                                                              Moderator
                                                              • 01-17-11
                                                              • 65815

                                                              #31
                                                              Really Sick Handicapper - He's Ripping People Off - His Name Is: It's Vegas Dave (sportsbookreview.com)
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                                                              • DonnieBrasco23
                                                                Benched
                                                                • 11-06-23
                                                                • 1137

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by stevenash
                                                                What you call 'huge ego' I call delusional.
                                                                Yes he is definitely both of those things, but how the bleep is he pulling this scam off Nasher ?
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                                                                • DonnieBrasco23
                                                                  Benched
                                                                  • 11-06-23
                                                                  • 1137

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                  Is that really Thermaflu? That dude sucked at gambling. He should pay people to follow his picks.
                                                                  Yeah, and he’s having a good week. He’s going for five in a row LMFAO , but I would bet my life that if you calculated all his plays at that website, he’s a losing gambler. He does seem to shine a little bit in the WNBA. I have to admit that.
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                                                                  • mjsuax13
                                                                    Moderator
                                                                    • 03-14-15
                                                                    • 25201

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by DonnieBrasco23
                                                                    Yeah, and he’s having a good week. He’s going for five in a row LMFAO , but I would bet my life that if you calculated all his plays at that website, he’s a losing gambler. He does seem to shine a little bit in the WNBA. I have to admit that.
                                                                    I used to have his SBR FINAL records but deleted the notes on my phone. He was down almost -500 units combined. It was like -493 units or some shit at one point.
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                                                                    • DonnieBrasco23
                                                                      Benched
                                                                      • 11-06-23
                                                                      • 1137

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by mjsuax13
                                                                      I used to have his SBR FINAL records but deleted the notes on my phone. He was down almost -500 units combined. It was like -493 units or some shit at one point.
                                                                      Yeah he posted a lot “multiple unit” prop bets over here and he absolutely sucked phat dick. The good ole days of mocking him are well missed lol.
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