Never let anyone tell you Harness Races are not fixed

[Sam Odom]

Mohawk Harness

Never heard of it. Got a tip on the 9th race tonight, 4-1 ex.

Hit!

[Sam Odom]

SACRAMENTO (AP) – Four veteran harness racing drivers are charged with helping fix a race at the Cal Expo track in Sacramento in May.

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[20Four7]

Given the time of the post I think it's past posted.......

[Sam Odom]

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They can be fixed quite a bit. All they have to do is keep the favorite out of the money, and they are all set for the most part. Whoops - "the favorite just broke stride..."

[HotStreak]

It pays to know someone.

[Richkas]

Havent bet buggies in years.

[BrentCrude]

I have a friend from town who's aunt was the racing commissioner in the state I live in years ago.This guy was in an agricultural business and made excuses to go on business trips where top tracks were located.Then he would go to all the super bowls,world series,Final 4's,Stanley Cup finals.etc.as company tax write offs saying he was entertaining clients. etc.He was huge into racing and sportsbetting and pretty much bankrupted his business over it.He knew about the downfall of the California harness racing business before it happened.Total fixes out there brought it down and now just bush league Cal Expo runs harness.It's too bad that such a beautiful sport as harness racing wasn't appreciated by the public where the only way alot of people in it could make a living were doing so by fixing the races.

The best one was in the Rodney Dangerfield movie Easy Money where they went to ficticious Hoover Downs and the drivers were using their feet to put the brakes on where there were clouds of dust on the stretch in race fixes.

[Sam Odom]

The best one was in the Rodney Dangerfield movie Easy Money where they went to ficticious Hoover Downs and the drivers were using their feet to put the brakes on where there were clouds of dust on the stretch in race fixes.

[bigjonson]

Great tip.

Got another heh.

[20Four7]

the 9th race at Mohawk typically goes off at 10 o'clock.... he posts something almost at 11 saying he was given an exacta and the fix is in. Like I said easy to past post something. Post your next "fix" prior to post time and let's see what happens.

[Sam Odom]

the 9th race at Mohawk typically goes off at 10 o'clock.... he posts something almost at 11 saying he was given an exacta and the fix is in. Like I said easy to past post something. Post your next "fix" prior to post time and let's see what happens.

Of course I posted AFTER the race. I said I "Hit!" in post #1. How else could I say I hit unless it was posted after the race

[Sam Odom]

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[milwaukee mike]

nice work.
next time they fix a race though have them throw a longshot in that exacta (or maybe there was and it got bet down to 13-1 anyway)...

[Richkas]

20Four7


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Now STFU

Starting gate is rolling

[Sam Odom]

Starting gate is rolling

Who is this 20Four7? I dont know him, never posted to him or PM him

[20Four7]

Wow he knew the fix was in and bet a 20 on it. Congrats dude.

[Sam Odom]

Congrats dude.

Thank you

Shoulda had 100.00 on it

[2TURN70]

Fix
Short priced horses

Jerk out of the gate
Run them to death on the back side, so they die in the lane
Whip with a battery

been going on for years

[bigjonson]

With a battery... geebus krist!

[G's pks]

Quick story for you guys... when I was a kid... knew a guy who owned a greyhound.... I overheard him on phone talking about fixing races...dogs being drugged... I am sure the same happens with the horses...

[konck]

I owned standard breds back in the late 80's what a game. Fixed lol well its fixed sometimes not always like anything else you bet on. I have seen trainers take horses out in the morning an make them run a hard race same day of the race. They cant do crap ...they do that a few times then give them some time off swim a little juice them an drop them for a score. I have seen drivers stiff trainers when they figure they cant lose and **** versa trainers get drivers by overworking the horse. It's a funny game but I made a lot of scores. One day I want to go back into it for fun. Right now I manage a casino. When Im done doing that I think Ill own a few again. The only way you can own an make money is do the work yourself, or get a trainer that takes 70% of money won in return for no bills. I used one of the top drivers and went up to him before each race and said I got 200 for you what do you want me to bet for you. He picked a hell of a lot of winners best one was he took my horse 1st a 3-1 2nd and a 40-1 3rd and said play me the tri for the 200 str it hit. One time he took a cold Dbl our horse in the 1st the 9 in the next 9-9 dbl paid 38 bucks our 9 horse paid 17 the other 9 paid 14 the dbl should have paid ez over 120 every one got called upstairs on that one.

[CaneDawg]

offstride...crap

[pirate]

Of course drivers have inside info...but that doesn't mean it's fixed. They know when a horse is sick or sore or just received an injection from the vet...but that doesn't mean it is fixed. Fixed implies a whole race conspiracy...it really doesn't happen. I was a well used harness catch driver for 35 years...I was approached only once in all those years and asked to hold back a horse. The sport has a far far worse reputation than it desrves

[2TURN70]

I usta' run around with an exercise boy, he gave me some huge Exactas. I won't tell you what track it was. It is a fact that some races are fixed.
He was also ask to work out horses with a whip with a battery. Some horses will stop if you shock them, some will give it a extra kick. If you worked around the industry you know that. People drink they talk.

[pirate]

If harness was fixed...then the trainers and driver would all be driving Mercedes...take a look..they don't

[wtf]

when i was a kid growing up in chicago they tried to bust a huge ring they had there amongst the GANG

stanley banks-daryl busse-walter paisley

it was big biz then, no casinos, no internet, handles were huge and so was temptation to grab it

nothing happened though, all swept under the rug-probably trying to SAVE the industry

[pirate]

Who tried to bust up the gang? ...And if they did so, why were they unsuccessful? Politicians love to be tough on crime....maybe there was no crime

[wtf]

think it was the feds, rico stuff

the crime was hard to prove, nothing stuck

the banks family after that went down, lost all their biz

the whole thing smelled, they would block for each other, sit on 102 halfs, go first over and hang the whole field to let the pocket out, etc.

[fiveteamer]

Really, especially in those days, racing brought in lots of tax revenue, why would the Government want to bring heat down on racing and shake the public's confidence.

Now it is different, there are many gambling sourced tax dollars, government does not need horse racing anymore, look at what is happening in Kentucky.

[20Four7]

fiveteamer,

They need racing. In Ontario for the most part the slots are tied into horse tracks. through slot revenue is why the purses for Ontario are still reasonable. If the horses go so do the slots. The governement would not allow that. That's why they have been getting tough on guys like Bill Robinson etc who have been caught numerous times giving "Juice" to their horses. If the government didn't care they'd let the cheaters cheat and that would end the racing. Doping of horses is a far bigger problem than any "fix" in a race.

Of course drivers know whose hurt, whose recovered, whose worked out well. Certain trainers "always" have a horse ready after a layoff, and some well, even if it's ready won't win because they want to give him a trip round first. You can shorten the field down by at least half if you know anything about horses.

[DacBietViet]

[fiveteamer]

Well, if they cared they would save Fort Erie. As it stands they will let the track die and just runs slots.

Plenty of racinos in the U.S. are trying to cut dates, even though the only reason they have a slots license is to support the horse industry.

[Sam Odom]

[bigjonson]

All this talk of fixing, how about some numbers hehehe.

Let's see some tipsters in action would ya!