DeMar DeRozan

[stevenash]

Was I talking to you?
Did I enter a thread started by you.
Did I call you out?

You've been warned about quoting others, trolling for responses.
I'll let it slide this time and not report it, don't do it again.

[thomorino]

Was I talking to you?
Did I enter a thread started by you.
Did I call you out?

You've been warned about quoting others, trolling for responses.
I'll let it slide this time and not report it, don't do it again.

You don't even know what trolling is. I pointed out your comment made no sense. Shut up.

[thomorino]

The MVP race should be much clearer at the end of next week.

[stevenash]

You don't even know what trolling is. I pointed out your comment made no sense. Shut up.

Let's get a mod in here.
Now I'm done talking.

[stevenash]

Might not be Jokic, could be Giannis.

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/2303970

[jjgold]

Bulls fading

[Buckandadime]

Bill Russell played in 963 games over 13 yrs..
E!biid 310 in his 6th full season..
Russell averaged 42.3 minutes vs 32 minutes for Embiid..
Russell averaged 4.3 assists vs Embiid's 3.3..
Russell averaged 22.5 boards vs 11.3 for Embiid..
Bill Russell was a 12x All-Star..
5x MVP...5!!!!
Oh and there are those 11 Championship rings...
Aside from fouling more and taking more shots, Embiid isn't better than Russell at anything but scoring..
Before.you say once again that Russell beat up on small players, the man was 6'10"..
Not 7'4" like Embiid..
Sorry, just the facts...

[thomorino]

Bill Russell played in 963 games over 13 yrs..
E!biid 310 in his 6th full season..
Russell averaged 42.3 minutes vs 32 minutes for Embiid..
Russell averaged 4.3 assists vs Embiid's 3.3..
Russell averaged 22.5 boards vs 11.3 for Embiid..
Bill Russell was a 12x All-Star..
5x MVP...5!!!!
Oh and there are those 11 Championship rings...
Aside from fouling more and taking more shots, Embiid isn't better than Russell at anything but scoring..
Before.you say once again that Russell beat up on small players, the man was 6'10"..
Not 7'4" like Embiid..
Sorry, just the facts...

There were less than 15 NBA teams and the players weren't close to as athletic. Embiid scores more in the first half than Russel does all game. Just stop.

[thomorino]

Let's get a mod in here.
Now I'm done talking.

Might not be Jokic, could be Giannis.
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/2303970

I already told you Giannis isn't going to be MVP. Stop talking.

[stevenash]

2021-22 NBA DPOY Odds

Rudy Gobert	-145
Giannis Antetokounmpo	+440
Draymond Green	+1200
Jaren Jackson Jr	+1200
Robert Williams	+1300
Bam Adebayo	+1600
Joel Embiid	+2400

[Buckandadime]

There were less than 15 NBA teams and the players weren't close to as athletic. Embiid scores more in the first half than Russel does all game. Just stop.

You are making a better case for Russell..
With fewer teams, there was much more parity among players..
The "elite"
Not diluted like today's game.
Aside from scoring more, taking more shots and fouling more, Embiid is no where near the player Bill Russell was..
The stats and awards do not lie..

[stevenash]

You are making a better case for Russell..
With fewer teams, there was much more parity among players..
The "elite"
Not diluted like today's game.
Aside from scoring more, taking more shots and fouling more, Embiid is no where near the player Bill Russell was..
The stats and awards do not lie..

And Embid isn't even the elite defensive center in the league today, Gobert is.
And now that Giannis playing the five (center) 53% of the time Embid is the third best defensive center in the league today, because Giannis is playing more than half his minutes at center.

And Giannis and Embid are both scoring 29 1/2 points a game.
And Giannis is out rebounding Embid, and Giannis is more efficient, the PER numbers don't lie.

And Jokic out rebounds Embid, has almost double the assists, and Jokic is also more efficient.

This will be the seventh straight season Jokic will have played in 70 or more games, every year in the NBA.
This is Embid's eight year in the NBA, did not even play the first two seasons, and the next time Embid plays 70 games in a season will be his first time.

How can the third best center in the league today (Embid) be a top five all time center?

[Buckandadime]

And Embid isn't even the elite defensive center in the league today, Gobert is.
And now that Giannis playing the five (center) 53% of the time Embid is the third best defensive center in the league today, because Giannis is playing more than half his minutes at center.

And Giannis and Embid are both scoring 29 1/2 points a game.
And Giannis is out rebounding Embid, and Giannis is more efficient, the PER numbers don't lie.

And Jokic out rebounds Embid, has almost double the assists, and Jokic is also more efficient.

This will be the seventh straight season Jokic will have played in 70 or more games, every year in the NBA.
This is Embid's eight year in the NBA, did not even play the first two seasons, and the next time Embid plays 70 games in a season will be his first time.

How can the third best center in the league today (Embid) be a top five all time center?

Short and obvious answer, he can't...

[stevenash]

Short and obvious answer, he can't...

And I rest my case.

[thomorino]

And Embid isn't even the elite defensive center in the league today, Gobert is.
And now that Giannis playing the five (center) 53% of the time Embid is the third best defensive center in the league today, because Giannis is playing more than half his minutes at center.

And Giannis and Embid are both scoring 29 1/2 points a game.
And Giannis is out rebounding Embid, and Giannis is more efficient, the PER numbers don't lie.

And Jokic out rebounds Embid, has almost double the assists, and Jokic is also more efficient.

This will be the seventh straight season Jokic will have played in 70 or more games, every year in the NBA.
This is Embid's eight year in the NBA, did not even play the first two seasons, and the next time Embid plays 70 games in a season will be his first time.

How can the third best center in the league today (Embid) be a top five all time center?

Rudy Gobert gets completely exposed in the playoffs every year defensively, he can't guard smaller players on the perimeter - and he also can't shoot just stop.

Russell was nothing close to what Embiid is, and neither is Jokic. Jokic isn't a good defender, Russell wasnt' a good offensive player, Embiid is a great offensive and defensive player.

[thomorino]

2021-22 NBA DPOY Odds

Rudy Gobert	-145
Giannis Antetokounmpo	+440
Draymond Green	+1200
Jaren Jackson Jr	+1200
Robert Williams	+1300
Bam Adebayo	+1600
Joel Embiid	+2400

The same markets you are citing have Embiid as the clear cut favorite to win the MVP - just stop.

Gobert gets exposed defensively every year in the playoffs against smaller teams.

[Buckandadime]

And I rest my case.

As do I Sir...
This is ridiculous...

[stevenash]

As do I Sir...
This is ridiculous...

How many first place votes alone did Gobert get for DPOY?
Over 60?

Embid?
Like 7 points total, not votes, but points.

OK, I'll stop.
I don't have time to debate facts all day with people who are clueless anyway.

See ya in the funny pages Bucky.

[thomorino]

How many first place votes alone did Gobert get for DPOY?
Over 60?

Embid?
Like 7 points total, not votes, but points.

OK, I'll stop.
I don't have time to debate facts all day with people who are clueless anyway.

See ya in the funny pages Bucky.

Rudy averages just over 10 points a game - Embiid scores that in the first quarter. Embiid can guard on the perimeter, Gobert can't, just stop.

[thomorino]

As do I Sir...
This is ridiculous...

Embiid scores more in the first half than Russell did most games - just stop.

[Bostongambler]

Embiid scores more in the first half than Russell did most games - just stop.

Too bad you sold some for pennies on the dollar. Just stop 🛑

[thomorino]

Too bad you sold some for pennies on the dollar. Just stop 

I did not, just stop, and those sales would have been at 300% profits.

[Buckandadime]

Embiid is better than Russel at almost everything, just stop. I didn't call the Suns trash.

Jokic didn't even play last night, he was rested, the MVP race will likely be over soon as long as Embiid doesn't get hurt.

Could you give us a list please?
Use facts not opinion..
Thank you..

[thomorino]

Could you give us a list please?
Use facts not opinion..
Thank you..

Embiid's PER, his points per game, his efficiency, everything is better than Russel.

[stevenash]

Monster triple/double for Jokic 46/12/11
Four blocks, playing sick.

The next time Embid puts up those numbers will be the first time.
And Embid shot last night like a D leaguer.
Good thing he can get to three free throw line.
Embid's gassed, he's never gone this deep in a season before.
You can tell he's got nothing left in the tank, look at those bricks he was laying last night.

It's over.

[Buckandadime]

Embiid's PER, his points per game, his efficiency, everything is better than Russel.

How can that be when Russell averaged more assists and twice (2x) the rebounds per game?
I'm beginning to think that you don't know what you're talking about..

[stevenash]

I'm beginning to think that you don't know what you're talking about..

Shh, you'll ruin it.
I just let him he think he does.

[Buckandadime]

Shh, you'll ruin it.
I just let him he think he does.

Damn..
My bad..
Maybe he won't notice..

[stevenash]

Damn..
My bad..
Maybe he won't notice..

Highly inlikely.
OK, time to stop, we're in PT, can't clog it up, the powers that be keep an eye on PT.

Got to play by the PT rules.
You know where to find me Buck Buck.

Oh, did I mention Jokic had a MONSTER night.

[thomorino]

How can that be when Russell averaged more assists and twice (2x) the rebounds per game?
I'm beginning to think that you don't know what you're talking about..

The way basketball works scoring is the most important thing

[thomorino]

Monster triple/double for Jokic 46/12/11
Four blocks, playing sick.

The next time Embid puts up those numbers will be the first time.
And Embid shot last night like a D leaguer.
Good thing he can get to three free throw line.
Embid's gassed, he's never gone this deep in a season before.
You can tell he's got nothing left in the tank, look at those bricks he was laying last night.

It's over.

Jokic didn't even play 2 games ago and he scored 8 points the game before.

Again, embiid is the prohibitive favorite in the betting markets.

[jjgold]

The real MVP is Jay Morant

[stevenash]

The real MVP is Jay Morant

I'm thinking

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3a. Embid
3b. Morant

Anybody who knows NBA in TV, radio, or print media are now saying it's Jokic.

Plus Embid is spent.
Toasted.

And if Rivers pushed him too much he might go down again.
Embid is soft.

[Buckandadime]

The way basketball works scoring is the most important thing

Is that why James Harden is such a good and coveted player?
He was the scoring leader for 3 consecutive years..
His teams must have great success..

[thomorino]

Is that why James Harden is such a good and coveted player?
He was the scoring leader for 3 consecutive years..
His teams must have great success..

They did - they were top 5 teams in the NBA each year.