How can Pete Rose not be in the hall of fame?

Mikail · 08-24-09, 02:53 PM

Pete Rose is in my mind a Hall of famer! He has suffered enough from all this crap he has recieved for what he did. Let him in the Hall of fame!!!

Fishhead · 08-24-09, 02:54 PM

Complete joke!!!

But you know what, PETE is getting 100x the attention if he was actually in the HOF.

The HOF is actually doing him a favor.

Screw the HOF

xxdjstriderxx · 08-24-09, 03:00 PM

go to las vegas and ask him, he signs autographs on the weekends at the sports memoribila store inside caesars forum shops

Doc JS · 08-24-09, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

How can Pete Rose not be in the hall of fame?

Well...it's pretty simple really.

In every major league clubhouse there's a sign that very clearly states what will happen if you're caught betting on baseball. It's in every major league club house. Every one.

Pete Rose bet on baseball. If you don't believe it read the Dowd Report. http://www.dowdreport.com/

Rose signed a life time ban from baseball. He didn't sign a "we'll ban you for a few years and then re-instate you and then ban you from baseball if you do it again".

Then he proceeded to lie about if for most of the next 20 years! He didn't stop lying about it until he had another book to sell.

Commissioner Bart Giamatti died shortly after banning Rose. Fay Vincent, who took over from Giamatti, was/still is convinced that the whole Rose ordeal contributed to Giamatti's death. Vincent was never going to re-instate Rose. Bud Selig is close friends with Vincent. So, that makes the chance that Rose is going to ever be re-instated is somewhere between very small and no f'ing chance in hell.

Do Rose's on field accomplishments warrant him being in the Hall of Fame? Absolutely! But by betting on baseball and his persistent lying about it, Rose forfeited the honor of being included in the Hall.

As I said, it's pretty simple really...

Doc

The General · 08-24-09, 05:46 PM

He should be and would be w/out the passing of former commish. It was all set, but then the death killed his hope.

rake922 · 08-24-09, 05:57 PM

Is it me or do we discuss this once a week....

jjgold · 08-24-09, 06:06 PM

He is Mr baseball

it is a disgrace he us not in

bettilimbroke999 · 08-24-09, 06:07 PM

How is that simple? I mean look I understand banning him from playing or managing for life but what's the point of banning him from the Hall of Fame? I agree with a previous poster though Rose gets 10x more interest being banned than he would being added to the hall of fame so perhaps its a good thing for Rose that the commissioners are morons.

Look I think OJ Simpson is a murdering criminal, but strictly in the football sense of the world he certainly belongs in the hall of fame, it has absolutely nothing to do with your personality or character flaws, its about who were the greatest players of a game, there's nothing personal about it, you look at the careers of players and say hey does this guys records warrant induction or not, oh well he gambled on games, who gives a fuk, do I think it was wrong and he should've been fired as manager or suspended/banned from MLB of course he was in a position to influence games so yes its serious but its not like he was throwing games and still having the all-time hits records etc throughout his career and if he was then hell Im even more impressed by his baseball talents

Willie Bee · 08-24-09, 06:19 PM

The Hall of Fame is something of a joke anyway. Or at least the voters who decide it are. What earthly reason could some sportswriter have for NOT voting for someone such as Ted Williams, Ernie Banks, Joe DiMaggio, Willie Mays, Bob Gibson, et al?

Rose's transgression should not be ignored, yet his play cannot be ignored as well. They should hang a plaque for his accomplishments on the field, but never hold a public ceremony to induct him.

Reload · 08-24-09, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by xxdjstriderxx

go to las vegas and ask him, he signs autographs on the weekends at the sports memoribila store inside caesars forum shops

Saw him at one of those signings when I was in town a couple of years ago. Made me think he must piss anything he makes from those away at the Caesars tables the same day.

DwightShrute · 08-24-09, 06:49 PM

He was my favorite player growing up. Still is, come to think of it! But he ****ed up and because of that, shouldn't be in the hall of fame.

Sure is a hell of a deterrent for any other player or manager who is thinking of betting on baseball. Especially his own team. He lied over and over until finally admitting so.

Love the guy. , but I would never allow him in.

element1286 · 08-24-09, 07:33 PM

I see no reason why he should be in the HOF.

I usually don't care about HOF's because they are usually absolute jokes, baseball is no exception. But I think this is pretty cut and dry. He bet on baseball, betting on baseball carries consequences, he is living those consequences.

Doc JS · 08-24-09, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

He is Mr baseball

it is a disgrace he us not in

You're half right JJ....

It's a disgrace he bet on baseball.

Doc

floridagolfer · 08-24-09, 08:09 PM

If Pete gets into the HOF, I hope it's the day after he passes from this Earth.

I don't believe for a second that he only bet ON his team.

Doc JS · 08-24-09, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

How is that simple? I mean look I understand banning him from playing or managing for life but what's the point of banning him from the Hall of Fame?

http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers/rules.jsp

3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A.A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

B.Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).

C.Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

D.In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

E.Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

The point is he's NOT eligible for the Hall of Fame. By virtue of his life time ban, he's on baseball's ineligile list. By being on the ineligible list, he's not eligible for election to the Hall of Fame.

The other point is it's a deterrent. By keeping Pete out, there is not doubt that baseball is sending a very powerful message: DONT BET ON BASEBALL.

Doc

DwightShrute · 08-24-09, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Yea he gambled on baseball, I understand, he undoubtedly bet for and against his own team, if I was commissioner Id have suspended him for a couple years and if he did it again after reinstatement Id have banned him for life from playing or managing

But the Hall of Fame doesnt pay anything, its simply a record of the most talented athletes to ever play the sport, if somebody found out Babe Ruth gambled on baseball would they remove him from the hall of fame, I mean who gives a fuk, this is 23 years after he stopped playing and 20 years after he stopped managing, let it go, the guy was a degenerate gambler but clearly one of the greatest baseball players to ever play the game

bettilimbroke999, do me a personal favour and post a thread that goes something like 2 + 2 is 4 or tomorrow is Tuesday. I really wanna agree with you just once. It would mean a lot.

flyingillini · 08-24-09, 08:43 PM

He should be in no doubt.

odusmykal · 08-24-09, 10:21 PM

I believe Pete should be allowed in before any player juiced up on steroids.. Maybe one day, others will agree with this point of view and forgive the Legendary Pete Rose.. Just my 2cents..

bettilimbroke999 · 08-24-09, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

bettilimbroke999, do me a personal favour and post a thread that goes something like 2 + 2 is 4 or tomorrow is Tuesday. I really wanna agree with you just once. It would mean a lot.

GWB was one of the worst presidents ever, he actually did such a bad job he got a black man elected in a landslide

Anyone who thinks he was a great president is not somebody Im going to be worried about agreein with me

odusmykal · 08-24-09, 10:27 PM

stats13 · 08-24-09, 10:28 PM

I dont think he should be in now, yet, but someday, for sure, it would be a shame if he doesnt get in during his lifetime.

DwightShrute · 08-24-09, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

GWB was one of the worst presidents ever, he actually did such a bad job he got a black man elected in a landslide

Anyone who thinks he was a great president is not somebody Im going to be worried about agreein with me

I tried to throw an olive branch to you but failed. Thus is life. I don't get the 'black man' analogy however

or the "landslide'

bettilimbroke999 · 08-24-09, 11:15 PM

53% for the black guy 45% for the white guy in a country thats only 14% black is a landslide

I thought itd be 50 yrs before we'd see a black president, not that Im racist but clearly theres some cultural bias in this country, but due to GWB epic fail he sped up history a half century bc ppl woulda voted in Corky from Life Goes On over Republicans and rightly so

brandon m · 08-25-09, 12:58 AM

Dude pete rose shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a baseball diamond. Perhaps they could let him in the hall of fame, but what he really wants is to manage again and that can't happen. By getting caught betting on baseball as a manager he put the ?? of the integrity of the game in everyones mine.

bettilimbroke999 · 08-25-09, 01:11 AM

I have no problem with him never being allowed to manage a baseball team again, I simply find it absurd that there are rules which would keep the all-time hits leader out of Cooperstown

StraitShooter · 08-25-09, 01:32 AM

ridiculous he has been shunned..when I think Reds I think charlie hustle

dle · 08-25-09, 03:48 AM

19th Hole · 08-25-09, 04:10 AM

Pete Rose

I think he will never get the HOF nod for non-baseball issues:

1) Bad hair.
2) Bad grammar.
3) He's from Ohio.
4) He led a dog fighting ring.
5) Addicted to hanging out on playgrounds.
6) Sold his body for gambling funds
7) Couldn't pick a winner

19th Hole · 08-25-09, 04:23 AM

Huh??

Originally posted by DwightShrute

I tried to throw an olive branch to you but failed. Thus is life. I don't get the 'black man' analogy however

or the "landslide'

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wow...where have I been?

I had no idea Pete Rose ran for president, much less decided to become black.
Amazing how you can go from not
being allowed in the Hall of Fame
to becoming president.
Did I miss a transition somewhere on this thead?

DwightShrute · 08-27-09, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

GWB was one of the worst presidents ever, he actually did such a bad job he got a black man elected in a landslide

Anyone who thinks he was a great president is not somebody Im going to be worried about agreein with me

I actually never brought politics into this thread as you can see above. I just had to correct Bettinbroke for the umpteenth time.

bettilimbroke999 · 08-27-09, 06:19 PM

Had GWB been president during the 1870s I think the Democrats could've gotten a freed slave elected

LordVodka · 08-27-09, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Doc JS

Well...it's pretty simple really.

In every major league clubhouse there's a sign that very clearly states what will happen if you're caught betting on baseball. It's in every major league club house. Every one.
Doc

What does the sign say?

bettilimbroke999 · 08-27-09, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by LordVodka

What does the sign say?

Never bet props, terrible juice

stats13 · 08-27-09, 09:03 PM

I have a problem with the first post. Its never been "undoubtably proven" he bet against his own team.