SBR_John just ruined cw

SBR_John · 08-11-09, 12:55 AM

Its not the end. Thats been my opinion since day 1. Ive seen dozens of these kind of shops come and go. We are a lot closer to the go on this one. Those of you that know the risks and want to play there thats great. I want to protect the new guys from thinking this is some legit shop when we all know what it is.

onthewhat · 08-11-09, 06:34 AM

SBR John you are wrong on this one

Thought they were going belly up last football season?

Fishhead · 08-11-09, 06:45 AM

Cw?

Who are we talking about here?

wtf · 08-11-09, 06:49 AM

cw=cool women

SBR_John · 08-11-09, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by onthewhat

SBR John you are wrong on this one

Thought they were going belly up last football season?

Yes, I'm a little surprised they made it this long.

To be sure most of these ventures are not scams when they start. Its just a matter of time before they go broke though. At that point they go to plan B. This book is not making money and plan B is coming or maybe already here.

Fishhead · 08-11-09, 07:57 AM

Who?

Flying Dutchman · 08-11-09, 08:01 AM

Country & Western music, Fish. All about losing your dog and girl friend to your best friend and getting dead-ass drunk. Something you know a lot about.

Fishhead · 08-11-09, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Flying Dutchman

Country & Western music, Fish. All about losing your dog and girl friend to your best friend and getting dead-ass drunk. Something you know a lot about.

Sure do!

Flying Dutchman · 08-11-09, 08:03 AM

It's a lifestyle thing!

MonkeyF0cker · 08-11-09, 08:04 AM

Creditwagering, FH.

Bread · 08-11-09, 08:06 AM

MonkeyF0cker · 08-11-09, 08:08 AM

Boingggggg!!!!

Bread · 08-11-09, 08:09 AM

Sorry. But SBR John ruined her for the rest of us

SBR_John · 08-11-09, 08:34 AM

Did I say Ponzi scheme? I meant position

JELLYBEAN · 08-11-09, 09:25 AM

BoDog started as a ponzi..............and made it when they used all the money coming in on great marketing. But if the con man Ayre is still around............they could disappear at any moment. When you have known crooks involved in books..........there is no conscience involved................................ ....

JoshW · 08-11-09, 09:26 AM

I have to say their wall of shame/stiffs is fun to look through. Can go to the page and search for your home state and see if anyone you know has stiffed them. Eight from Kansas.

dwaechte · 08-11-09, 09:39 AM

Well I didnt necessarily think this was a Ponzi all along, but I certainly think if it wasn't all along they are definitely switching in that direction now. The inevitable fall has finally come.

ShowMeTheOdds · 08-11-09, 09:43 AM

Just curious, how do you know when a book isnt making money? I dont figure they would just come out and tell you?

SBR_John · 08-11-09, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by JELLYBEAN

BoDog started as a ponzi..............and made it when they used all the money coming in on great marketing. But if the con man Ayre is still around............they could disappear at any moment. When you have known crooks involved in books..........there is no conscience involved................................ ....

I don't agree. Many know or dont know that Calvin was one of the first guys in Costa Rica. I would guess mid 90's. I will agree they used the money coming in for marketing. Except for Pinnacle they all did that.

Calvin by luck, hard work or a combination thereof developed a model that worked. I'm open, always open to taking another look at the CW model. We went through this before breaking down their model here live and even their staunchest supporters agree that on paper the model is badly flawed. Those CW guys know I don't mean to pick on them but neither will I be silent.

LT Profits · 08-11-09, 09:53 AM

And yet they could afford to send me 4-digit payouts? Also, didn't everyone get paid on the new card within the last couple of days? That doesn't sound like financially strapped to me.

dwaechte · 08-11-09, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by LT Profits

And yet they could afford to send me 4-digit payouts? Also, didn't everyone get paid on the new card within the last couple of days? That doesn't sound like financially strapped to me.

I havent checked other boards for complaints, but it seems to me like they may only be paying the guys they see complain on the boards. Maybe they were having real processor issues, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole lot more complaints start to pop up over the next week or two.

onthewhat · 08-11-09, 09:58 AM

LT, CW hasn't paid SBR thus they are not getting favorable reviews

CW customers are very vocal on the forum about how good they are. Best customer service offshore.

pavyracer · 08-11-09, 09:59 AM

LT Profits,

What does CW gain financially from your business? Everytime there is a CW thread you always brag how much they pay you. Why haven't they reduced your limits if you cause them so much carnage? And why are you winning any money being -30 units down in MLB this year?

Please share your secrets so we can benefit ourselves.

LT Profits · 08-11-09, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

LT Profits,

What does CW gain financially from your business? Everytime there is a CW thread you always brag how much they pay you. Why haven't they reduced your limits if you cause them so much carnage? And why are you winning any money being -30 units down in MLB this year?

Please share your secrets so we can benefit ourselves.

I can't share ALL because I would then stop being successful. Let's just say all my bets at CW have nothing to do with handicapped plays and everything to do with their numbers.

Richkas · 08-11-09, 10:14 AM

CreditWagering

A+ Book

Must have out.

JELLYBEAN · 08-11-09, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

I dont agree. Many know or dont know that Calvin was one of the first guys in Costa Rica. I would guess mid 90's. I will agree they used the money coming in for marketing. Except for Pinnacle they all did that.

Calvin by luck, hard work or a combination thereof developed a model that worked. I'm open, always open to taking another look at the CW model. We went through this before breaking down their model here live and even their staunches supporters agree that on paper the model is badly flawed. Those CW guys know I dont mean to pick on them but neither will I be silent.

Yeah he showed up after he got done with his scam in canada. If you think he started this off with out a ponzi in mind you are crazy.

And CRIS,GRANDE,DELMAR,OLYMPIC didnt use others money to start either. You really love sucking pinnacles dick. You must have some sheet over there. Sure they have tons of coin, mainly from being the biggest betting book ever in the world, but dont disrepect other books but saying they are the same as bodog.

flyingillini · 08-11-09, 10:42 AM

Wow jellyroll!

fiveteamer · 08-11-09, 10:48 AM

A simple fact right now is that creditwagering needs losers to pay up in order to pay winners.

This is not good.

SBR_John · 08-11-09, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by JELLYBEAN

Yeah he showed up after he got done with his scam in canada. If you think he started this off with out a ponzi in mind you are crazy.

And CRIS,GRANDE,DELMAR,OLYMPIC didnt use others money to start either. You really love sucking pinnacles dick. You must have some sheet over there. Sure they have tons of coin, mainly from being the biggest betting book ever in the world, but dont disrepect other books but saying they are the same as bodog.

CRIS,GRANDE,DELMAR,OLYMPIC

Out of that group of course Cigar was away so they were not active in post up initially. Grande and Delmar hated post up and except for a token dabble in post up they had no reason to leverage. Of course both those joints were extremely strong. Oly did jump into the post up but the two headed brain trust there is very conservative so yes I agree with you on the Greek. Good post. I greatly respect each one of those shops and the guys behind them.

As for Pinnacle, I could have said any of those you mentioned but Pinny was the post-up 800 lb gorilla. They didnt need Bodog type marketing to become great and I always respected that.

RogueScholar · 08-11-09, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

CRIS,GRANDE,DELMAR,OLYMPIC

Out of that group of course Cigar was away so they were not active in post up initially. Grande and Delmar hated post up and except for a token dabble in post up they had no reason to leverage. Of course both those joints were extremely strong. Oly did jump into the post up but the two headed brain trust there is very conservative so yes I agree with you on the Greek. Good post. I greatly respect each one of those shops and the guys behind them.

As for Pinnacle, I could have said any of those you mentioned but Pinny was the post-up 800 lb gorilla. They didnt need Bodog type marketing to become great and I always respected that.

This post is like an enigma wrapped in a cipher. Can anyone translate to English for me?

pavyracer · 08-11-09, 12:02 PM

I think is about horses Rogue. Cigar, Delmar...

sickler · 08-11-09, 12:12 PM

SDCanesfan · 08-13-09, 05:48 PM

They sent me 2500.00 the other day by check which was a few weeks late, and I just made a WD for 3K on Tuesday. It still shows as pending, but hopefully this time things go smoothly. They've always paid out, but I have to admit I do get a little nervous when things get delayed. I'm going to stick it out with them as they've treated me well thus far. I can afford to play at other books, but they've haven't stiffed anyone that I know of, and everytihng about their model is just so convenient for me . I still have another 6K I need to pull out, but I don't have the debit card yet. I hope the delays are straightened because I admit it isn't really looking all that great right now, but we'll see. If they can pull off paying out a total of 12K within a month during baseball season I will be 100% sold on them at that point.

JoshW · 08-13-09, 06:31 PM

SDC, I don't know how much of your CW balance represents in terms of your bankroll, but I wouldn't want a large % in at the end of football. Use this situation as an advance warning. If they do start paying again, don't get complacent.