What do you guys think about TheRX?

[wilheim]

Claude, last thing: The email I sent at 7:20AM this morning.

Re: wilheim/Nick SantoroFriday, July 24, 2009 7:20 AM
From: "Wilheim" <person19481950@yahoo.com>Add sender to ContactsTo: claudeXXXXXX@hotmail.comHello Claude, aka Nicky Santoro,
I am writing to show you that I did reply and offered to help you with your SbgGlobal problem three years ago. When you first emailed me on 7 Sep 2006.
I was very ill with the flu at the time and could hardly move out of bed nevermind type.
Anyway as you can see by the emails below I even emailed you my home phone on Cape Cod Mass to call me so we could see what could be done.
Your short emails gave me no details to work with. I wish you would at least be accurate in Post 22 of this thread:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/205499-what-do-you-guys-think-about-therx.html

I have over 25,000 emails archived including the ones you sent me regarding SbgGlobal. As you can see below there was not much to go on.

BTW I have helped hundreds of players in all different kinds of ways in the 4 plus years I have been head mod at The Rx.com and would have done what I could for you three years ago if I had heard back from you.

I wish you all the best in your life, thanks, your friend, wil..


Wilheim
Head Moderator
The Rx.com Posting Forum

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Below in the actual email is a cut and paste of the same emails posted above. Check that email and you will find it in your inbox.

[wilheim]

Jellybean, unfortuntely you have no clue as to what my job entails so I will not waste my time other than to say you are wrong about me.


wilheim

[wilheim]

I want to apologise to the board, I looked it up and SBG Global did become a sponsor at The Rx.com in August of 2006. I mentioned earlier that the emails from Nicky Santoro were written long before SBG was a sponsor at The Rx. - I want to correct that --- they had just come on the month prior to his emails. My only excuse is bad memory with dozens of books coming and going as sponsors during the almost 6 years I have been a mod at The Rx and over 4 years as head mod I thought they came on later than they actually did. My bad and again my apologies for the error. I still would not have been able to do anything without at least an account number to reference had I called them.


Thanks, wilheim

[wilheim]

FYI -- Mesage for Nicky Santoro from Sportsavant - an actual post he typed in our Board Room.
07-24-2009, 05:34 PM SportSavant
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Nicky Santoro response from SBR
hello Nicky,

i would love to meet up with you and we can discuss this over a beer at Pigales, I live in Montreal now!

for the record, here is what I remember of the situation, I launched a SBG Global contest right around that time, and it was that contest that triggerred you to message me about your situation.

I did take the situation seriously, I did forward it to my contacts at SBG (Jason and Carlos).

Unfortunatly the message I got back from SBG at that time was that the dispute in question was had already been mediated once, in fact, if my memory serves me correctly it was SBR where it had been mediated (I could be wrong)

Anyway, to summarrize the word that i got back from SBG was that the issue was closed and they refused to re-open it, I wished I had more pull and we could re-examine it, but I didnt.

SBG's position was simply that they were unwilling to re-open this case, because they had already mediated it once and rendered their decision.

As many people know, over the years there have been a few cases with SBG where they take a tough stance on an item and stick to it. I think they are a good book for recreational bettors, but they do take tough stances at times. I dont always agree with those stances but I am limited in my power.

[Fishhead]

You will not find a MORE honorable man in the industry than Wilheim............many AS honorable, but none more.

Anyone that is involved in the offshore industry should say a prayer that we have people like Wilheim in this business.

God bless him, his posts here, and his beautiful wife,

FH

[Nicky Santoro]

wilber and i were best of pals back in the days. when he first joined, i was there.. i took him under my wing.. we were best of friends.. then he became a mod and changed. he was no longer the cool wilfredo he once were. the mod job got to his head. wilber remembers how me and him used to be buddies.

willy, you seem to have a bad memory.. we spoke on the phone.. i called you, you don't remember.. you were quiet on the phone and said to me you can't do anything for me.. i remmber perfectly, willy. so don't say i never called you.


willy, i am honored that after all these years, you finally join sbr today, and all thanks to my comment. i got you to join sbr today..

willy, help me still collect that cash and i give you a nice cut.. wilber, that case was NEVER mediated. we never agreed on a settlement. they paid me 9500 thanks to billy dozer, and then they just decided.. no more..

[Dante]

You will not find a MORE honorable man in the industry than Wilheim............many AS honorable, but none more.

Anyone that is involved in the offshore industry should say a prayer that we have people like Wilheim in this business.

God bless him, his posts here, and his beautiful wife,

FH

I agree... This guy would help anyone that asks for his help and is honest to boot from all the years I have known him

[gym rat]

TheRX has been a great site but 2nd to SBR.

[chance]

Kudos to you Fishhead. While other ex moderators go about spreading negativity just to massage their own hurt egos you intead speak truthfully and keep your eye on aim of this business to make money gambling sports.

Apart from you having greater personal character the main difference between you and other ex moderators is that moderating was only your 2nd job. You always made money gambling.

[chance]

We need more wilheim and The Genaral types in these forums and less of the Mofome and Journeyman clowns!!!!

[pavyracer]

Who is this Claude guy everyone talks about?

[SBR_John]

when sbg stiffed me for 18,300$, i went to their site to ask for help to collect the money since they were an advertiser and they kept pimping them everyday saying how great they are.. when i emailed wilheim and 2 other mods, they completely avoided my emails.. then i posted in the forum that sbg is stiffing me, they deleted it.. then wilheim finally responded to me and said he can't help me.. then another mod there emailed me too and said same thing to me.. sorry, i can't do anything for you..

no one wanted to touch sbg.. they coudln't have cared any less about this stiff.. but then the next day, i saw wilheim and some mod saying to a new poster that he should go to sbg, they are a great book..

Unreal

[SBR_John]

Its sad that books like SBG and Oddsmaker get promoted on player forums.

Promoting these cheating, back stabbing books is bad business imo. Do you trust a site that would gladly send you to a known thief? These player forum owners, not really the mods, wrongly believe that players looking for a sportsbook are clueless. It should be an honor and a privilege to advertise on a player forum site, reserved for the top books.

TheRx is a great forum and a place where I was a regular in the 90's that led to many ideas on SBR. But I dont trust anyone who tries to tell me with a plastic smile that my money is safe as SBG. Everyone in this industry with an IQ over 1 knowns they are crooks. Rx=great, Rx pushing guys into SBG= a sad disgrace

[Nickelicious]

Just took another glance at the advertisers sitting on top of the SBR forum.... These are guys I could live with.

I was with SBGGlobal a couple months last year. Never going back.

[Slim]

Well said SBR John. Lets not forget LazerWager that RX touted to the fullest.

[redore33]

Been Posting In OL Forums for 10 yrs

New to SBR. First of all let me say, you guys that think that having only one sports forum to gain info from, are either stupid or uninformed. Would you only sample one: beer, woman, place to live, etc., before saying that's the ONLY place for me? I don't think so. I frequent 3 forums regularily, looking mainly for the best cappers. RX is great, for Col foots their guys are 2nd to none. NO NOT Ace, he's a fool. If EOG didn't have Mo for a mod I'd go there more often. Having said all of this, for the experiences I've had over the yrs Wil is by far the most fair, honest & curteous Mod anywhere. BOL to all in the coming Foots season!!

[Fishhead]

Love all 143 forums I frequent on a weekly basis...........





FH

[Bread]

I like how Fishhead God blessed his beautiful wife.

Best part of this thread.

[Chuck Sims]

The Rx is not great. They are not good. They promote thieves. The mods sell their souls to go along with it. They now edit or delete threads that warn people of the crooks they promote.

[Chuck Sims]

"Wil is by far the most fair, honest & curteous Mod anywhere."

Telling people a sportsbook is safe when it is proven without a shadow of a doubt they are thieves makes that person a dishonorable douche bag.

[sickler]

What is the RX worth now compared to when Weitzner sold it?

Sure the climate has changed but if the UIEGA never surfaced, where would they be sitting?

[Slim]

If EOG didn't have Mo for a mod I'd go there more often.

Yea I don't like Mofo either. He's the reason I don't even look over there anymore. He starts multiple threads about stuff going on in the same game. Why not just make one in game thread? Shrink pays him peanuts anyway because he still lives with his parents.

[Slim]

SBR is turning into EOG. They hired EOG mods over here now like General and Reload. JJ is like the head mod because he starts threads that Mofo made a few days ago. Like the Ricky Henderson one.

[Spanks]

Hey Wilber...what about the Randizzle episode that went on...he claimed he broke his computer and asked the members to buy him a new one...he could not afford one with all his winning picks he bet on which was ridiculous...that crap was allowed and when he went on a serious bad streak you pulled the plug on all his threads you promoted and deleted them all...wtf is that about man? You are a mod on a sports site dude...get real...

[Big Brando]

Wilhiem is a clown and the #1 reason therx is a non factor in the biz...

Why am I on post review???

[Intuitive_Edge]

Hey Wilber...what about the Randizzle episode that went on...he claimed he broke his computer and asked the members to buy him a new one...he could not afford one with all his winning picks he bet on which was ridiculous...that crap was allowed and when he went on a serious bad streak you pulled the plug on all his threads you promoted and deleted them all...wtf is that about man? You are a mod on a sports site dude...get real...

Oh i remember this last year. He had his own little forum section which seemed ridiculous. Did they really buy him a new one lol ?

[StraitShooter]

I finally found chucky

[redore33]

Because You're An

wilhiem is a clown and the #1 reason therx is a non factor in the biz...

Why am i on post review???

asshole???

[Nicky Santoro]

wilverama disappeared.. he told me i never called him and then i reminded him i did, and now he's avoiding me..

wilbert and his buddy sportsavant want nothing to do with this sbg, nor did they ever before.. this was an outright stiff.. thank god billy d helped me get 9500$ of it out.. they still owe me 18,300$ and rx could have not have cared any less.. they love sbg to death.. they loved them back then and they still do today.

[InTheHole]

I just want to clear the air regarding allegations made by poster Nick Santoro (he had another name back then as most of you know). Here is a copy of the email string between us regarding the matter in September of 2006. I X'd out some information for privacy reasons. You need to read from the bottom up.

BTW: The Rx is doing fine and will be celebrating another Bash (my 5th straight) at The Golden Nugget in August (the week before SBR's Event which is just a coincidence, we have been targeting that weekend for around 8 months).

Any of you SBR people who will be in Las Vegas early (the weekend of August 14th and 15th) are invited to attend our event. You can play in our poker tourney on Saturday at Noon ($5,000 in prize money) and attend our Reception dinner that night. Just drop me a line at person19481950@yahoo.com and I will hook you up with the details. Everything is free (except we are collecting $20 a man to toke the poker crew). The Reception Dinner will include a huge buffett along with 2 open bars. Plus a lot more. (mods if this part about the Rx Bash invite is out of line please delete and kindly accept my apologies).

Thanks, wilheim

Email string between myself and Nick Santoro regarding his SbgGlobal problem. He simply stopped responding after my last email, one in which I actually included my home phone (I was living in the states then) so he could call me or I would have been happy to call him if he had supplied a number.

I have over 25,000 emails archived that I have received regarding forum business in my 4 plus years as head mod at The Rx.com and I always respond to all requests for assistance and have helped well over 100 to 150 posters resolve various problems at any number of sport books. During that time I have always been friendly and cooperative with the staff here at SBR whenever we discussed any type of player or forum business that was of mutual interest.

Copied just now from my email archive:Read from bottom up please.

I never heard from him again after the Sept. 12th email. wilheim
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From: Wilheim <person19481950@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: wilheim?
To: "Claude XXXXX" <claudeXXXXX@hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 12:35 PM

Hello Claude, I want to apologise for the long delay but I am lot better now and would be happy to call you about your dispute
or you can call me at 1-508-XXX-2179.

Best, wil..
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Date: 10 Sep 2006
Claude XXXXXX <claudeXXXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:
thanks a lot willy and i hope you feel better soong. take care.. claude

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From: Wilheim <person19481950@yahoo.com>
To: Claude XXXXXl <claudeXXXXXX@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: wilheim?
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:00:33 -0700 (PDT)

Hello Claude, to be honest I have been terribly sick myself the last couple of days. I will definitely look into your case ASAP.

Best, wil.

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Date: 9 Sep 2006
Claude XXXXXX <claudeXXXXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:


hey willy, how come you are not ever answering me.. any update for your old pal XXXX XXXXXXX.. can you help me willy.. they have no excuse not to pay me.. that money is mine.. thanks willy.. sbg= scam book.. i'm telling you right now, this book is bad news. they dont pay winners..




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From: Wilheim
<person19481950@yahoo.com>
To: Claude XXXXXX <claudeXXXXX@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: wilheim?
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:22 -0700 (PDT)


Hello Claude, I never got any other email from you. Please resend entire story.

Thanks, wil..
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Date: 7 Sep 2006
Claude XXXXXX <claudeXXXXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:


wil, i thought we were friends.. how come you never answered me? Can you help me collect my money from SBG that is owed to me wil? These guys owe me the money and they know it..thanks.. I hope you get back to me willy.



Your paL
XXXX XXXXXXX.

[Fishhead]

THERX will always be the king of sportsbetting forums.

[SBR_John]

SBR is turning into EOG. They hired EOG mods over here now like General and Reload. JJ is like the head mod because he starts threads that Mofo made a few days ago. Like the Ricky Henderson one.

That is really not the case at all. EOG is staged, nothing wrong with it but its staged. They hired 30 guys to post and then fired all 30 because they were coma inducing boring. They are back up to 10 or so and it will still not work. Its like they keep bandaging a sore on their arm while their leg is dangling by a vein. They focus too much on post counts and too little in growing the community imo. All the decoys, ghosts and paid posters in the world will not solve their riddle which is how to attract new posters. SBR does not stop with just providing a forum. In fact its just a part of the content. In a few weeks you will see a totally new handicapping web site by SBR including a company store where you can shop for free with the points you win. All free of course. So I just dont agree SBR is anywhere like any forum only site like EOG.

[Fishhead]

I would like to get my forum up and running as soon as possible.

[SBR_John]

THERX will always be the king of sportsbetting forums.

Actually, they never were the "King". I remember when Rick came on and said they were King of all forums. A poster said what about Covers? Rick said who?

TheRx is the most successful of the one-trick forum only ponies. TheRx and SBR are in a dead heat in forum traffic but if you add up the SBRLines and other SBR sites it is not even close. TheRx squandered their opportunity to the market share by investing their time and resources into a DonBest like line service instead of things that their posters would find useful and entertaining.

TheRx will always be special but they are on track to be a very distant 3rd to Covers and SBR. I know I'm bias but the numbers dont lie.

[Nicky Santoro]

johnny, i can't believe fishler just said that rx is the best sports forum on the net, and he said this right on your turf, SBR.. the nerve of this kid..

johnny, i think fishler should be suspended for 1 week from sbr for making that comment.. and he said it right to your face..


when does the 1 week suspension begin? don't worry johnny, i got your back on this one.. i think 1 week is being generous too.. he should get 4 months for that comment..