For Willie....Remember the Alamo

[Robyn]

Dear Uncle Willie,

I have no idea why, but I did a wikipedia search on The Alamo tonight. I truly enjoy history, but considering the enormous amount of history in this world, I just can't even began to know everything. Since you are from Texas, what is with this whole "Remember the Alamo" hype (keeping in mind that I lived the first 32 years of my life in Michigan). The only thing I know of The Alamo is this awesome clip from one of my favorite movies of all time, Pee Wee's Big Adventure.



Willie, in a nutshell, what was the big deal about The Alamo?

[Bread]

[Emmett Brown]

[hawk 5]

A bunch of Mexicans where looking for a job and heard that the Alamo was hiring. So they got together and illegally crossed into Texas. Well, some of them southern boys didn't take kindly to all these Mexicans crossing the border without there green cards and taking good jobs away. So they arranged a greeting party and the rest is history.

[Emmett Brown]

A bunch of Mexicans where looking for a job and heard that the Alamo was hiring. So the got together and illegally crossed into Texas. Well, some of them southern boys didn't take kindly to all these Mexicans crossing the border without there green cards and taken good jobs away So they arranged a greeting party and the rest is history.

[Robyn]

Thanks, hawk, although I am still waiting for Uncle Willie to respond.

[Emmett Brown]

Thanks, hawk, although I am still waiting for Uncle Willie to respond.

[KingRevolver]

Fvck the Alamo

[Willie Bee]

Dear Uncle Willie,
In a nutshell, what was the big deal about The Alamo?

Believe it made its way into lore for the fact the ragtag group stuck it out to the bitter end, and I do mean 'stuck' and 'bitter end.' I'd really need a couple of hours to tell you what I have come to learn and what I believe about the whole event. You really have to go back to Moses Austin, the Dutch and early white settlement in the 1810s, 1820s for a beginning to what eventually took us to the Alamo and history. But in a nutshell, it was a small army taking on a humongous army and dishing out some punishment on Santa Ana's force.

What sort of ironic about your big deal comment is the majority of my friends that I take to see it for the first time note that they expected the structure to be much larger than it is. Most walk away pretty much unimpressed. Oh, and whatever you think you know about the Alamo from watching either the John Wayne movie in the early 60s, the Alec Baldwin disastrous TV remake in the 80s or the recent one starring Billy Bob Dumbass, please wad all of that up and throw it in the trash.

A bunch of Mexicans where looking for a job and heard that the Alamo was hiring. So they got together and illegally crossed into Texas. Well, some of them southern boys didn't take kindly to all these Mexicans crossing the border without there green cards and taking good jobs away. So they arranged a greeting party and the rest is history.

Good stuff, hawk.

Fvck the Alamo

Viva Sam Houston y San Jacinto!

[Bread]

Willie why is "Emmett" spamming this thread? Why is "Emmett" such a naughty little fellow?

Willie I like "Emmett". Do you know if he's single? I bet he is.

[Willie Bee]

Got no clue, El Pan. I'm going to run with the notion he just likes those video clips.

[Robyn]

Thanks for the "sorta" explanation regarding The Alamo. So from what I gather, a lot of white people hunkered down in a small church while a lot of Mexicans killed them.

I think that I'll just stick to my vision of the whole thing via Pee Wee's Big Adventure.

[KingRevolver]

Thanks for the "sorta" explanation regarding The Alamo. So from what I gather, a lot of white people hunkered down in a small church while a lot of Mexicans killed them.

Please tell me more about this - I was pleasuring myself.

[Willie Bee]

Thanks for the "sorta" explanation regarding The Alamo. So from what I gather, a lot of white people hunkered down in a small church while a lot of Mexicans killed them.

Yes, about 200 Texans held off 2,400 Mexicans for 13 days before succumbing to the odds against them. Roughly 500 of Santa Ana's troops died in their nearly two week assault. Then about seven weeks later on the east side of what is now Houston, General Sam Houston and his force of about 850 defeated about 1,500 Mexicans in a matter of minutes, killing about half and capturing the others. Among those captured was General Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana, aka El Pollo. Ever since then, Mexicans have taken their afternoon siestas with one eye open.

[Robyn]

Well that explains the pride of Texans, I suppose. Now if only cowboy hats and boots would go out of fashion...

[KingRevolver]

Texas has always been a problem state. They are never happy no matter what. This whole thing started over slaves. Dipshits like Davey Crockett were allowed by the Mexican government to live in Texas and what do they do? Start trouble! They wanted slavery to be legal there 'cause they weren't evolved enough to get over it.

[Robyn]

Black or Mexican slaves?

[KingRevolver]

Black or Mexican slaves?

Black. Davy Crockett and those other idiots knew that Texas was a fragile state so they started their trouble over slavery. Even a shithole like Mexico was more civilized at the time than the pathetic South.

Anyway- Mexico ended up paying for allowing people like that into Texas. And now the States are paying for allowing Mexican Immigrants in.

[Willie Bee]

Texas has always been a problem state. They are never happy no matter what. This whole thing started over slaves. Dipshits like Davey Crockett were allowed by the Mexican government to live in Texas and what do they do? Start trouble! They wanted slavery to be legal there 'cause they weren't evolved enough to get over it.

I've got your problem state hanging, King.

Black or Mexican slaves?

Primarily black, though there were some indentured Irish.

As I alluded to earlier Robyn, to explain everything about the Alamo one has to first understand what took place in the early colonization of Texas from the East, i.e., white Europeans expanding west from what was then the US in the very early 1800s. Moses Austin first developed a relationship with the Spanish and started a colony in what is now Missouri. Yadda-yadda-yadda, segue to his desire to start a colony in Texas.

It's important to understand the difference between Spanish and Mexicans in all of this. It's also important to understand the role of the Dutch in the slave trade throughout the history of America, and it was the Dutch that indeed brokered the deal with the Spanish government to originally allow slavery in the Texas settlements. One also needs to get into the egos and greed of the key players in this whole bit of history, from Moses and Stephen F. Austin to Sam Houston to General Santa Anna. King was obviously never one of my students when I taught Texas history, or he would understand this to the Nth degree.

I'm also guessing that King doesn't know that my great-grandmother was what we would call mojado/wetback/illegal alien/undocumented worker in today's terms as her family crossed the Rio Grande when she was a young girl in the mid-1870s. Of course, she was none of those things back then as immigration laws were loosely, if at all, enforced.

Now if we want to go deeper into this, I surely can. But like any other 'war,' just wanted to at least point out that it goes much deeper than one "problem state."

[Robyn]

I apologize for my ignorance. Sadly, The Alamo was merely two pages long in the American History book that was covered in high school. Pretty sad.

[KingRevolver]

I've got your problem state hanging, King.

Primarily black, though there were some indentured Irish.

When aren't there? Irish are the White Mexicans.

I'm also guessing that King doesn't know that my great-grandmother was what we would call mojado/wetback/illegal alien/undocumented worker in today's terms as her family crossed the Rio Grande when she was a young girl in the mid-1870s. Of course, she was none of those things back then as immigration laws were loosely, if at all, enforced.

We're in the same boat, Willie. At least my mom's side of the family.

[Flying Dutchman]

Willie, I didn't know you were a student of History.

Yeah, we Dutch basically had a trading empire that stretched around the world until the English showed up and made a hash of it.

If you Americans would really read your history, you wouldn't be so fond of the Brits. For instance, a lot of the current Drug problem can be traced to the Brits exporting heroin to China and the rest of the Southeast Asia. Nasty Buggers.

[Robyn]

Who said we were fond of the Brits (with the exception of Emike and Taco, of course)?

[Flying Dutchman]

Who said we were fond of the Brits (with the exception of Emike and Taco, of course)?

Good, the English aren't worth the trouble.

...you like old, crazy Dutch guys?

[Robyn]

Are you referring to Vermeer? I prefer men with a heartbeat.

[Willie Bee]

I apologize for my ignorance. Sadly, The Alamo was merely two pages long in the American History book that was covered in high school. Pretty sad.

None of the general US history courses they teach in Grades 1-12 will ever devote enough time to details of certain events, and for good reason since it's difficult to get all 230-odd years into one or two terms not to mention you're dealing with young minds that are, for the most part, incapable of understanding the complexities involved.

We're in the same boat, Willie. At least my mom's side of the family.

I've got the 'double Mex' blood in me I guess, with the Mexican on my mom's side and the Irish on my dad's.

[Flying Dutchman]

Are you referring to Vermeer? I prefer men with a heartbeat.

Well, I'm a little younger than Vermeer. And certainly better looking than Rembrandt or that really crazy fvk Van Gogh.