Originally posted by betplom
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I know that you are being sarcastic but with each passing day, the sarcasm slowly changes into truth to a lot of people.Comment -
I have a question, a very simple one, to all the right-wingers on here, but anyone can answer:
Do you believe that the earth is (roughly), more or less than one million years old?
I will start with myself: more
peemike: less
anyone else want to chime in?
just very curious to see what people honestly believe.Comment -
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You mean North Korea doesn't have oil to be plundered.Comment -
What oil? Iraq didn't have any oil, they had tons of H-Bombs and smallpox and everything else, just thank Bush for protecting the US by invading that rogue nation, you'd already have been killed by Iraqi terrorists had Bush not invaded.
I swear it's people like you, the vast majority of Americans, the rest of the world and most of the animal world that suggest WMD was just a lie to hide the real motive of oil that make us neocons sick. Do you really think Bush would ignore a completely blatant threat like a dictator testing nukes and ICBMs souly designed to reach American targets while threatening to bury the US and invade a country that was no threat at all with no WMD or connection to 9/11?
Turn on Limbaugh and Coulter for 20 hours a day and quit trying to think for yourself, believe whatever those fine ppl say regardless of how insane it sounds and you'll be fine. All of what the Republicans do is part of God's plan and God is a devout capitalist that prefers further consolidation of wealth, 90% of the wealth in the hands of 10% of the population is considered socialism and wealth redistribution to God, he's shooting for 99% in the hands of 1% and we Republicans are determined not to let him down, if you believe in the poor having the opportunity to succeed you are a left-wing extremist and will shortly bring down the country with the help of the devil also known as Barrack Hussein Obama.
If you believe Bush did anything short of a perfect job you don't have a clue, take enough drugs so that your mind is permanently stoned like Limbaugh did, read Revelations and pick a date before the end of the decade that you believe it predicts for the end of the world. Realize that science is complete hogwash, the Bible is the only thing you should trust regardless of what scientists tell you (refer to evolution and the age of the universe as "devil talk" and leave the room if your science teacher brings them up) and always remember God works through Republican officials so no need to question anything they say or do, they can take a vacation to Argentina to have affairs, be drug addicts, be homosexuals IMing their teenage interns for sex, lie to the public about evidence of WMD development and 9/11 connections to support a war for oil, etc. etc. etc. and you might begin to think these "family values" candidates are hypocritical but thats just God letting them have a lil fun for all their hardwork, if Clinton gets a blowjob though he should be impeached, God is against blowjobs for Democrats.Comment -
Brain-dead liberals like bettillimbroke preached on and on how Clinton getting BLOWN in the White House was his personal business. They defended Clinton even after he tried to cover it up by LYING to the grand jury.
However, when a republican has an affair, its a completely different issue even when the republican immediately admits to it.
The funny thing is Clinton just got done saying that executives who have sex with their subordinates should immediately be terminated and then he goes off and gets blown by his intern.
The republicans aren't in favor of further consolidation of wealth. They are in favor of everyone having the opportunity to gain wealth and completely oppose the government redistributing the wealth from one entity to another.
bettilimbroke said:
if you believe in the poor having the opportunity to succeed you are a left-wing extremist and will shortly bring down the country with the help of the devil also known as Barrack Hussein Obama.
Name one prominent republican who is against the poor having the opportunity to succeed? As a matter of fact, its the democrats GREATEST FEAR that the poor find their way out of poverty.
As long as a democrat's lips are moving, you know they are lying.Comment -
What the hell are you worried about if you're part of the 10% that controls 90% of the wealth then kickback and enjoy it what do you have to bitch about you'll live a life 100x better than the poor, what do you want to go into the ghetto and demand their kids starve to death so you can save a percent on your income taxes. How has the wealth been redistributed, when do I get my million from this redistribution plan the Republicans are always talkin about, wealth gets more and more consolidated in this country every year, if it gets any worse they'll have to redistribute wealth, bc 10% more and the bottom 90% wont have any money. I'm fine with moderate conservatives but neocons like OOL, andy and dwight need to wakeup and take a look around at the effects of 8 years of Bush administration and ask if they're really impressed with the shape the country was in in Nov 08, if yes then they're certainly the only ones, also comparing millionaires paying income tax to wealth redistribution seriously guys if you believe that can you please leave this country and enjoy your lives in Zimbabwe or whatever cesspool country you find that's income tax free.Comment -
When I was 21, I had less than $1,000 in my bank account and had no assets whatsoever. I worked more 60+ hours per week than I can count for almost 20 years and managed to put myself in a very secure financial position.Originally posted by bettilimbroke999
I'm worried because people like YOU want to take what I've earned and spread it around to those who can't or won't make the same sacrifices I did.
I certainly don't want kids in the ghetto to starve to death. However, I have NO DESIRE whatsoever to financially support them.
"When do you get your million from this redistribution plan the Republicans are always talking about?" Well, you won't get it by sitting on your ass all day along complaining about how unfair it is that the rich have so much and the poor don't.
In our country, EVERY SINGLE PERSON has the opportunity to financially succeed and to financially FAIL.
Its NOT my fault you don't have the will or desire to financially take care of yourself and I certainly don't want to do it for you. You can rot in the street for all I care.
If all the people like myself left this country and unproductive people like yourself remained, the United States of America would turn into that "cesspool country" you speak of.
The USA needs people like myself but certainly could use LESS of people like you.Comment -
Right wingers just were not loved as kids. And since they got screwed they would like to see everyone else get screwed too. It's just a character flaw really.bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
fantastic post andy, totally agree
you should move to hong kong, and pay a flat tax of 17%
plus you pay tax at end of year
work hard, you keep itComment -
Andy listen bc this is important for you understand, no one is redistributing your wealth, there have been numerous Democratic presidents before Obama and the concentration of wealth gets higher every year, however if you live in the developed world you will pay taxes, I'm sorry if you think that is redistributing your wealth, perhaps Republicans could take over a country like Zimbabwe and turn it into a developed country without taxes but barring that you are going to have to pay taxes. At current this country has an extremely high level of wealth concentration with only about 10% of the wealth escaping the top 10% of the population, that creates an extremely unfair and inequitable balance of wealth and opportunities in this country but lets still assume that the poor have a chance even though its heavily in the rich kids favor to get rich given their advantages. The poor kids will clearly need more help for basic survival than the rich kids bc their parents are poor, rather than going on vacations to Florida they'll be playing basketball in the projects, this leaves two options either let them starve to death and rot in the street as Republicans generally are more than willing to do indicating they think the children somehow deserve to starve to death for being born to poor parents but would somehow deserve to succeed if born to rich ones (this is the Republican version of a fair system) or we can assess enough taxes to pay for food stamps and public housing etc with just enough resources to keep a human alive and living in the ghetto, this is a far cry from wealth redistributing, I dont see Bill Gates buyin formula with WIC and living in the ghetto so its safe to say this is not making the system fair it is simply allowing the poor who would otherwise rot to death in the street to exist on the rich man's minimum wage jobs that made him rich by paying them nothing and pocketing all the profits.Comment -
betbroke, I have no objection when it comes to paying taxes and I have paid more than my fair share for over 20 years.
What I object to is how my tax dollars are spent and the progressive tax system currently in place.
If all social/wealth redistribution government programs were removed, I wouldn't even mind if my taxes were increased though there wouldn't be any need.
There are many things we all need to maintain a civilized society including police, a strong military, prisons, infrastructure, etc and the money has to come from somewhere to pay for this. However, I strongly oppose all social programs that are designed to take money from the most productive members of society and transfer it to the least productive. This taken to the extreme is communism (from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs).
You clearly have a problem with the wealth concentration in the U.S. but are the numbers really that much different in the socialist societies you are so fond of?
When you compare the standard of living of the poor in the U.S., is it really that much worse than the standard of living the poor receive in your socialist utopias?
I always get quite a laugh when liberal democrats like yourself think they are compassionate because you're willing to SPEND OTHER PEOPLES MONEY to help the poor. Instead of expecting the rich to fund your beliefs of feeding the poor, why don't you liquidate your assets and put YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS and do it yourself?
YOU'RE ALL TALK AND NO ACTION!!!
It doesn't matter how much money is thrown at the inner cities, they will ALWAYS be a slum. The problem is NOT a lack of funds but the low quality of people living in the slums.
Our founding forefathers made it crystal clear on who they thought should be allowed to vote and elect our country's leaders and I can assure you there was NEVER any intention on their part to allow people like you to vote.
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WTF, you certainly made the right move choosing Hong Kong as your place of residence. I assume they don't welcome those whose life goals are to leech off the success of others.Comment -
it is kind of funny bunch of middle class people think they're rich so they are so anti socialism. when you actually have sizable liquid asset, there are ways to avoid paying taxes.
usa is pretty much done. unless there is a revolution, tax rates in the states will keep going up. god bless americaComment -
Pico, your statement is simply NOT true.Originally posted by pico
While you can hire the best accountants, there is NO LEGAL WAY to avoid paying taxes on earned income.
By the way, when I was flat broke I felt exactly the same way as I do now.
The only exception I have when it comes to my tax dollars going straight into the pockets of those that have less are the people that are working as hard as they possibly can and still don't have enough.
In the U.S., someone working full time at a minimum wage job brings home less money and has much poorer medical benefits than a lazy bum sitting on their couch collecting government assistance.
Completely eliminate all welfare programs and then I'll support my taxes being raised.Comment -
it could have been worse...one slippery shower and Sarah Palin was President of the States if McCain got in...**** she was one dumb slut...reminds me of someone...that other dumb**** BushComment -
I dunno like I said politicians like Bush are one step below rats to me, so you loving em is like loving the plague.Comment -
she wouldve been better than the marxist community leader that thinks the constitution is a "charter of negative liberties" and thinks his role in constitutional law was to "break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers".Originally posted by PAPSMEARComment -
You're an idiot.Originally posted by PAPSMEAR
If I said Obama and Biden were a couple of dumb pedophiles, I would expect to be called an idiot also.
go twitter someone, heat up some pop tarts, pour a glass of kool-aid and play with your transformers.Comment -
can someone explain to me this disdain for palin, i really dont get it
more than calling her childish names
she really did some great things in alaska
and according to some shocking reports the REAL reason for her resigning is she was being sued by all these tards for no reason and she is not wealthy so she is basically going broke defending herself over these frivolous lawsuitsComment -
aaahhh hello...did you listen to the dizz during the campaign she could hardly string two words together...when she did what she said either didn't make sense, was wrong or was at odds with what the rest of her campaign were saying...that said I'd pop her sweet little current over bamas any day even though I'm laying short odds its seen a bit of action in its timeComment -
well your right, if it is all about the best orator skills then he definitely won for sure
i thought it was great they got a real outsider into the race, someone not part of the machine
she makes good solid decisions , but maybe it is all about how well you sound in the ten second sound byteComment -
or how well you can read a teleprompterOriginally posted by wtfComment -
Andy, I AM more compassionate than you, there is no doubt about that. I'm sure if I was paying huge taxes I would bitch and moan about it at the time but I wouldnt suggest having the poor kids rotting in the street to save possibly 1-2% on my taxes. You have to realize the majority of your tax dollars are going towards bailouts and pointless wars anaylze the amount of money Bush spent in Iraq (685 billion) and TARP (giving corporations 700 billion in welfare to make up for worthless overstated assets) vs the amount spent on food stamps each year (30 billion) and you'll see why your taxes aren't going down even if they eliminated social programs unless you consider public education a social program (I imagine you do) which would save 390 billion/yr, hopefully Bush's tanking of the economy will eliminate the rest of your retirement and you're job/business and you'll get the opportunity to live in the street while saving what's left of your 7.25 an hour job after expenses.
We have an elitist system of election that's why they get it down to two candidates and we decide between them, no one really votes in McCain or Obama, whoever the Democratic delegates chose this year was who was going to be President, they could've chosen Hillary/Kerry/Obama whoever and that was our next president. Given that I'm well educated and intelligent just unwilling to line the street with corpses of starving children I would hope the founding fathers would consider me worthy of voting. I don't really consider that compassion, it's not really to progress the poor out of the slums, the only way to do that would be to raise the minimum wage to enough where they could save money but then all the Republicans businesses would lose huge profits/go out of business and we get back to the socialist/communist you believe anyone with any humanity is.
Currently I dont consider the poor in this country any worse off than socialized countries which is why I'm fine with the current system, if you can look at the current results of wealth in this country and consider the levels of concentration evidence that it has been redistributed then you are insane, if it got any more concentrated and cut the social programs the country would be at high risk for revolt, so let's assume its in your best interest to not have your royalty/peasant system adopted anyway. I personally agree with one thing you've said I dont agree with adults leeching off the system, I dont get a dime from any social program, I accept that if I was flat broke I'd have to work or starve to death and that's fine but the children that are born into the slums do not have the opportunity to work and support themselves, what can you possibly expect of them? Are child labor laws too compassionate for you as well?
The fact that I have to liquidate all my assets and give them to the poor to show my compassion rather than SPEND OTHER PPLS MONEY as you've capitalized numerous times indicates you have no clue. The additional 1-2% estimated savings on your income taxes that are directed towards social programs (admittedly more if Obama's healthcare plan of trillions passes but I dont support that plan so ignore) is a far cry from expecting you to sell your house and car and give all the proceeds to charity. Would I be willing to donate 1-2% of my check to avoid seeing poor children living on the street starving to death the answer is yes, that's what I'm talking about here. Where does your 1040 ask you liquidate all your assets to give to the poor? The idea is dividing the burden to all Americans and knocking it down to 1-2% of the total annual income of the nation.
The truth of the matter is most Republicans don't have the ability to empathize with the poor bc they've never been poor, they've never been homeless or starving to death, if they ever did get in that situation their parents would simply take them back in or loan them money so supporting a program which benefits the dirt poor is naturally going to be declined bc as long as they're parents keep paying their mortgage and saving money they'll never be in a truly poor position. It would take a leap of intelligence for them to realize the luck they've had and how close they were to being born in the projects themselves and would they support starving themselves to death as kids to save Warren Buffet a couple percent on his taxes had that happened, I doubt it.Comment -
there's a difference when it comes to using tax $dollars$ and spending it for the HELPLESS and the CLUELESS.
it's the latter, republicans and anti socialist people are against wasting money on.Comment -
Corporate welfare and pointless wars are using tax dollars, a fraction of that to avoid children starving to death homeless is wasting tax dollars, I got it.Comment -
ya I get it. You want all the freedoms with no sacrifices. Hey, who doesn't? I wish everyone had a rich father and there weren't bad people.
Freedom has to be defended at any cost.Comment -
bettill i dont know what your point is, please tell me.Originally posted by bettilimbroke999
the purpose of laws is to protect life and property, not grant it. a society that allows human legislation to grant government the right to plunder is a savage society and defeats the purpose of having laws.Comment -
Which is more important, saving 1-2% of your check or having millions of American children starving to death homeless?Comment -
??? when has america ever had millions of homeless starving children??
fuk off you dont know what youre talking about.
welfare doesnt equal charity.
anything the government does, the private sector can do 10 times better at a 1/10 of the cost.
yet youre a perpetual supporter of the government doing everything for you. ironic maybe this being independence day and you support the exact opposite. when is DEpendence day again?Comment -
let law of the jungle reign supreme I say...dog eat dogComment -
Originally posted by andywend
To think that those who suffer under our system don't work or are people of poor character is ridiculous, to say the least. The amount of ignorance it takes to keep harping on the same obvious fallacy is staggering.
You jokers have even managed to portray Bettilimbroke (who's very America-centric) as a foreign sympathizer.
Do you have any concept of reality?
bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
Exactly reno, what's scary is I'm middle of the road in my politics and have been called insular and ethnocentric by the foreign posters.
Of course we don't have starving children now bc we have social programs to prevent it lost.
The right-wing extremists on this board are something else, thank god their psychosis is not shared by the majority of the country. I've never been happier with having a democratic president than I am after talking to the neocon lunatics on this board.
The Bill of Rights doesn't guarantee children that they won't starve to death and live under a bridge.
Who the fuk gives a shit, does it have to for you to support it? Can you not figure out for yourself that it's not a good idea to starve children to death?
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let me ask you a question bettill. i'm leaving and wont be back until late so i wont be able to respond till later.
let's say me and you are walking down the road. we walk up on a homeless man laying on the side of the road. he's cold, starving, and homeless.
now out of what happens next, you tell me which is and isnt morally acceptable.
A: i give the guy $100 so he can go buy some food and clothes.
B: you tell the guy you have an old barn he can sleep at.
C: a representative from the state drives up, pulls out a gun and tells me to give the bum $100, looks to you and tells you to provide shelter for him until further notice.
this is an easy quiz. even you know which one isnt acceptable.
there's nothing wrong with charity, there's everything wrong with welfare.Comment -
great analogy but slightly incomplete ...Originally posted by losturmarbles
C: a representative from the state drives up, pulls out a gun and tells me to give the bum $100, looks to you and tells you to provide shelter for him until further notice. Charges you a $60 tax on the $100, a $20 user fee for walking on the road which was recently repaved using taxpayer money from the stimulus package and Acorn hires the man.Comment -
you guys are really hardcore political junkies...relax shake hands and call it a nil all draw. After all irrespective of who or what party is in power they all lie and thieve and feather their own nests. They're all low life white collar scum. Say one thing do another. Half of them should be in jail. Pox on them all I sayComment
