Since the US is going Socialist with Obama…

[Flying Dutchman]

Mmmm, butter

[Flying Dutchman]

Stale, you've gone stale brother...

[BrentCrude]

Can't you like go to jail in Holland if you say that the holocaust killed about half as many Jews as is the recorded official number and stuff like that?I have no idea how many Jews were killed and maybe the official count is dead right but if you are some kid in school and say that,you can get sent away from home to a re education camp?You are under the European Union that took away your sovereignty where they call the shots when it comes to thought crimes like that,aren't you?

What about all the problems you have with Muslims.Wasn't there a gay journalist named Van Gogh that was murdered in cold blood because he printed possibly some truthful and hurtful stuff about Muslims?Didn't Holland start restricting free speech alot more after that where you can't say truthful but hurtful things?Alot of political satire cartoons in Holland are banned now?

I think when you say a socialist utopian and euphorian workers paradise you have to add fascist somewhere in there too?

Socialism is the best system in the world if you are on the receiving end of it.

Definition of socialism,some people are treated more equal than other people.

[Flying Dutchman]

Brent, your drunk.

No thought police, and holocaust stuff is all well known and no issues.

And you've got two assassinations mixed up. The first was Pim Fortuyn who was openly homosexual and the second was Theo van Gogh grandson of the ear-whacking famous artist. Both were taken out by fricking rag-heads.

There were some stupid initial moves to keep shit out of the press, but we have the internet and everything gets out.

Hey, I'm telling you about the worker's paradise YOU'RE all moving towards, don't you tell me!

And your "definition" came from George Orwell's Animal Farm, numbnuts. It's a satire. Get it?

[andywend]

…I thought I’d list the many good things for the rednecks at SBR. I do this so that you can get used to dealing your new future.

The Netherlands (Holland to you boneheads who think the entire country is a province or state like Texas is in the US) has been a socialist state since WWII, and we are darn proud of it. Here are the reasons why:

1) Marijuana is legal and cheap, so you dopers can sound even dopier when you post, not that Pavy and Nicky need any help.
2) Prostitution is legal, and cheaper than in the US. So TheIntegrityKid can get more pussy since normal women avoid him like he has ringworm.
3) Cholos like Kingie, Flyingillini, AgainstAllOdds, and whoever else are well accepted. The state takes care of you by taking money from rednecks who make decent money and and whose taxes will fund your government jobs and retirement. How about that shit? Put it back on whitie.
4) We don’t execute folks for shooting people. Actually, jail sentences are very light and easy because we know you are just a little maladjusted because your father beat the shit outta you when you were a kid (not that you didn’t deserve it for watching your Mom do the postman). So if JJ shot Bread, or even better SSLP, he’s only get a sentence of about 2-3 years, with colour TV, and even kosher meals.
5) Oh yeah, the prison is at our beach town of Scheveningen and if you behave JJ, we’ll let you out some.
6) And JJ, you get conjugal visits. So you and Robyn can do the nasty before you get out in two years.
7) RogueScholar and tacomax wouldn’t have to live in cardboard boxes on the street anymore. We have government provided housing for the insane and ill-equipped, all paid by the taxes of the same rednecks (fine folks like: obama our lord, DrStale, andywend ,& DwightShrute) who are too dumb or too conflicted to move out of the country.
8) Folks like Lakerboy will recognize all this. Canada is pretty similar to the Netherlands and we see the Canucks as our socialist brothers. We even like the cheese-eating surrender monkey French Canadians not because they are brother socialists, but because they…eat cheese!

Drug dealers on every corner.

Hookers on every corner.

Plenty of hardened criminals NOT afraid of committing crimes.

Sounds like a great place to raise a family, LOL!!!

The government takes money away from hard working people and transfers their hard earned wealth to lazy bums who refuse to get off their rear ends and produce for themselves and society.

Liberal court system that shows empathy for hardened criminals who go around shooting people by giving them light jail sentences.

Nice comfortable prisons for criminals with plenty of luxuries.

Government housing for the lazy bums by taking more away from the hard working people. Do you call all hard working people rednecks?

What happens when all the "rednecks" say "F YOU" to lazy bums like yourself and decide they are through supporting you?

If Netherlands is indeed everything you say, then its only a matter of time before it turns into a rotting cesspool if its not already one.

If you're interested we have MILLIONS of lazy bums living in the states who would love to enjoy all that Netherlands has to offer. Any chance your country can take them off our hands?

[juuso]

Pretty funny post Flying Dutchman, but I don't think you can really call Netherlands socialistic country. It isn't any more socialistic country than most Western European or Scandinavian countries. There's of course different nuances how the system works in each country, but they're all pretty much capitalistic free market societies with some socialistic policies thrown in. Higher taxation to cover government funded cheap healthcare and some kind of social security benefits, enough to cover housing costs and basic necessities for unemployed people, is mostly the norm.

Personally, I like the state of civil liberties in the Netherlands. Legal weed is a great thing. It should be legalized everywhere. Government shouldn't be allowed to dictate what drugs I can ingest.

[Flying Dutchman]

Pretty funny post Flying Dutchman, but I don't think you can really call Netherlands socialistic country. It isn't any more socialistic country than most Western European or Scandinavian countries. There's of course different nuances how the system works in each country, but they're all pretty much capitalistic free market societies with some socialistic policies thrown in. Higher taxation to cover government funded cheap healthcare and some kind of social security benefits, enough to cover housing costs and basic necessities for unemployed people, is mostly the norm.

Personally, I like the state of civil liberties in the Netherlands. Legal weed is a great thing. It should be legalized everywhere. Government shouldn't be allowed to dictate what drugs I can ingest.

I made the post for the wright-wing-wackos here at SBR who think Obama is the Anti-Christ. They are closet racists, IMO.

Unfortunately, we already got the AC with Cheney and the Shrub; Cheney having his hand up W's arse and moving W's mouth saying wacked out Cheney shit.

[Dark Horse]

Holland is red tape country. You can't do anything there, not even the simplest work, without first going to school for a few years. And if you don't like what you do, too bad, back to school again... And if you were properly schooled and have a good job, the taxes are outrageous.

They suffer from what my Kiwi wife recognizes (from her own country) as 'tall poppy syndrome'. Their biggest sports hero ever, Johan Cruyff, who they should celebrate, they ridicule instead. This is a Calvinist country with an inbred fear of everything outside of the norm. And when confronted with this undeniable fact they suddenly mention 'Amsterdam', which is basically an avant garde theme park that has nothing to do with the rest of the country.

The prison sentences are light, so since the European borders opened they have attracted a lot of major crime figures. They're allowing Muslims to take over their country, without ever firing a shot, because they're too afraid of what others might say if they ever showed any backbone in defense of their country. They try to sell this lack of guts as tolerance. They even have an anthem in which they sing that they're from German blood... Go figure. The national anthem. That's like Canadians singing they're from American blood.

Sorry guys, coffee shops with cheap marijuana and a red light district are no beacons of freedom. They're distractions to make people forget how stuck they really are. America, in spite of everything, is still the land of freedom. That has nothing to do with right or left wing, but with the principles this country was founded on. And there are those of us who will fight for those principles, and refuse to let motherf*cking European and other internationals bankers take over this country. That's what the present fight is about.

[tacomax]

Holland is red tape country. You can't do anything there, not even the simplest work, without first going to school for a few years.

You want to be a manicurist, you need a licence. You want to cut hair, you need a licence. You want to sell houses, you need a licence.

Oh shit, that's America!

And if you were properly schooled and have a good job, the taxes are outrageous.

Well the personal tax rates are hardly outrageous compared to the rest of Europe. The USA has a smaller rate, but yet one of the highest corporate tax rates - you should consider who ultimately pays the corporate tax rate.



I'm not even going to bother with the rest of the BS in your post. Seriously, that comes across as a BrentCrude rant with similar intellect but better spelling.

[Dark Horse]

Dream on Taco. All you are is Mr. Smart Ass with very little actual knowledge of what you are talking about. But go ahead, and educate this uninformed individual about the finer nuances of Dutch culture.

In any case, I didn't write it for you. It was a response to Flying Dutchman, who may appreciate it more than you.

[tacomax]

Dream on Taco. All you are is Mr. Smart Ass with very little actual knowledge of what you are talking about.

If only you knew how absurd it was for you to compare your understanding of Dutch culture with mine.

I know. I can't compete with you, you're no doubt related to William of Orange. Or you went to Amsterdam once. Whatever works. You have the inside information on 9/11 as well. I hereby bow to your superior knowledge.

[Dark Horse]

No really, Taco. Why stop short here? Aren't you just getting on a roll?

Show me just how predictable you really are. 9/11. lol Tell me about Holland. I want to know.

[Dark Horse]

I know. I can't compete with you, you're no doubt related to William of Orange. Or you went to Amsterdam once. Whatever works. You have the inside information on 9/11 as well. I hereby bow to your superior knowledge.

A typical response from someone who, after starting insults, admits to having no knowledge on the subject, yet manages to do so in a manner that makes the other person look bad.

Very slithery, Taco. (Did I spell that correctly? I meant the slippery and slimy motions usually associated with snakes).

Perhaps I spend a day in Amsterdam, perhaps I spend more time in Holland than you have on this earth. But, unless you're willing to continue the conversation in Dutch, you'll never know. You just assume. A lot.

[tacomax]

Tell me about Holland. I want to know.

I know that the tax rates are not the highest in the world by any stretch of the imagination. Life expectancy probably higher than the USA (not saying much). I don't know - what do you want to know? Lots of tulips and windmills? I'm sure that any facts I present won't effect your pre-determined ideas of the state of the world so I'm probably wasting my time.

In fact, as I said, I just can't compete with you. You can examine the dark forces of America and predict the peak of the oil price. Like Darth Vadar. Why you waste your time on the forum is beyond me. Seriously, throw me a bone - I've got some coffee futures, can you tell me when I should sell them? Dark Horse, please show me the dark side of the force (but only for the purposes of my coffee futures).

The last eight years have been an education in darkness. I once believed the official 9/11 account, so I can't judge those who still do. I know why they believe it, and why they don't want to question it. But there is a positive side to the analysis of monstrous minds. I now know how the dark side thinks. It can no longer surprise me. This works well for me in the market. As mentioned elsewhere, it allowed me to call the moment that the oil price had peaked: when Bernanke leaned into the microphone to interrupt Paulson in front of Congress, to interject that he wanted the suggestions that Congress appeared willing to accept blindly, as legislation. This stood out because it was the first mention of legislation in this regard, and still a few months before the 700 billion bailout was passed. Congress was scared sh*tless by the prospect of a depression, so eagerly presented by the two men before it. The oil price that day sat at $145...

[tacomax]

A typical response from someone who, after starting insults, admits to having no knowledge on the subject, yet manages to do so in a manner that makes the other person look bad.

How can I make you look bad? You've solved the 9/11 conspiracy, called the peak oil price and also claim to predict fukkin' earthquakes. I'm no match for you.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/private-zone/34704-just-lost-3k-bet-those-9-11-pics-no-more-9-11-sh-t-me-p6.html#post343141

[Dark Horse]

Why are you trying so hard to change the subject? You told me that my post about Holland was based on nonsense. And then, when I confront you about that, you can't run fast enough to change the subject to 9/11 and the stock market.

We can return to those other threads, but why the sudden interest? You weren't interested then, were you?

Is it fair to assume that when Taco feels attacked, he will then resort to his variation of character assassination? Just bring up as many topics as you possibly can, to distract from the topic at hand, and in the hope that some of it will stick? Is that what you're about Taco?

Let me know when you want to get back to Holland, but in the meantime please continue to reveal how small-minded you really are. By all means. Take your best shot, buddy.

Hint. You haven't gotten to my gambling yet. Strange oversight.

[tacomax]

Why are you trying so hard to change the subject? You told me that my post about Holland was based on nonsense. And then, when I confront you about that, you can't run fast enough to change the subject to 9/11 and the stock market.

What about the point on red tape and taxes? You don't see a heck of a lot of red tape in the USA with regard to basic jobs? You said Holland had extortionate taxes when, in reality, they don't. You said that Muslims are taking over the country when they only represent about 5% of the population.

[obama our lord]

If you look at the "success stories" that people cite concerning socialism, you see pretty much the same things. It works in systems which tend to be insular, with a mostly homogeneous population, and have very restrictive citizenship requirements.

People love to refer to the Scandinavian countries for example. Check out the demographics there and compare them to the US. Invite a few million from the 'hood and from illegals we have here to go there and get the freebies. How well will that work out? Socialist countries have high natural resource to population ratios meaning that there is plenty of wealthy for everybody simply by residing there. Compare that to Alaska where all residents get a check each year for doing nothing other living there because of Alaska's resource (mainly oil) to population ratio.

Those Countries also predetermine working careers for people when they are in their teens to ensure an adequate trained working class. They decide who gets to go to college and who must pursue a trades career. Not sure what you want to with your life? Want to study fine arts at the University on your parents money? Sorry, pal, if you want to live here you're studying brick laying for the good of the State!

People speak of Great Britain and France. All peachy with immigrants in those countries? Even those diehard socialists cannot claim those countries, along with Germany, are headed toward a happyl future.

Canada has huge natural resources to the North, and a reliable immigration buffer to the South. Canadians often tout the merits of their health care system. They don't invite millions of uninsured non-citizens to get free medical care in their hospitals....as does the U.S. And you don't find many Americans headed to Canada when quick, specialized medical care is urgently needed.

[Flying Dutchman]

Holland is red tape country. You can't do anything there, not even the simplest work, without first going to school for a few years. And if you don't like what you do, too bad, back to school again... And if you were properly schooled and have a good job, the taxes are outrageous.

They suffer from what my Kiwi wife recognizes (from her own country) as 'tall poppy syndrome'. Their biggest sports hero ever, Johan Cruyff, who they should celebrate, they ridicule instead. This is a Calvinist country with an inbred fear of everything outside of the norm. And when confronted with this undeniable fact they suddenly mention 'Amsterdam', which is basically an avant garde theme park that has nothing to do with the rest of the country.

The prison sentences are light, so since the European borders opened they have attracted a lot of major crime figures. They're allowing Muslims to take over their country, without ever firing a shot, because they're too afraid of what others might say if they ever showed any backbone in defense of their country. They try to sell this lack of guts as tolerance. They even have an anthem in which they sing that they're from German blood... Go figure. The national anthem. That's like Canadians singing they're from American blood.

Sorry guys, coffee shops with cheap marijuana and a red light district are no beacons of freedom. They're distractions to make people forget how stuck they really are. America, in spite of everything, is still the land of freedom. That has nothing to do with right or left wing, but with the principles this country was founded on. And there are those of us who will fight for those principles, and refuse to let motherf*cking European and other internationals bankers take over this country. That's what the present fight is about.

Fights over dick-wad, you're one of us now! Go look at the debt you've run up.

Obama uber alles!

[Dark Horse]

I was silly to expect any type of substance from Taco. Mea culpa. How did I forget that his understanding is as deep as a two-second search function, and that his sole reason for being is to amuse or annoy people with endless variations of the same theme?



He does have a history of running into trouble with people on this forum, who made the mistake of taking him serious. I know... But it has happened. So if you are sensitive to attacks on your person, be sure to share only your opinions in these pages and never personal information.
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As far as Holland is concerned, my remarks were a response to Flying Dutchman. What Taco (sur-prise!!) failed to understand is that they were a criticism on issues current in Dutch society. Holland is at a real risk of losing its identity, being overrun by foreigners that are happy to collect the free handouts, but refuse to adjust to Dutch society. Most notably people from Turkey and Morocco. Women from Poland have come for weekend trips, by the busloads, to steal from shopping malls, because if they get caught there are no consequences other than being sent back across the border.

The Dutch values worked fine for the Dutch people. But foreigners are taking advantage to a point where Holland may already be lost. Nobody is doing anything, because it would either be a lack of (god forbid) tolerance, or could be painted by others as anti-a-certain-group.

It is true that Holland will look after the basic needs of everybody. Nobody excluded. But that comes at a price tag that goes far beyond paying 75 cents tax on the dollar (for some). The country has been flooded with people who have come there for that very reason. And the model can't be maintained.

[lakerboy]

tacomax is to be avoided at all costs even more than me

[Dark Horse]

Fights over dick-wad, you're one of us now! Go look at the debt you've run up.

Not so fast, eikel.

You may be right about the end result, but the fight has barely started.

[Flying Dutchman]

Not so fast, eikel.

You may be right about the end result, but the fight has barely started.

DH, Unfortunately what you say in your earlier post is closer to the truth than not. And frankly, it is part of the reason I live in the US more than in Holland these days. The other is my country's shitty weather.

The two assassinations seriously shook everyone up, and the subdued racial hatred is simmering just under the surface. When Van Gogh was killed, I really thought that the Turks were going to be pushed out or many more incidents happen. So far, not that many.

Far too many people are afraid to do much about the "Polder System" i.e. our compromise socialistic/semi-free trade economics system we're so proud of. We see ourselves better than the French and Germans, but that not saying much.

What I would like to see is something much closer to the system we have in the Golden Age when we were really a capitalist society and had a trading empire comparable to Britain in the 1800's. Not that I want Empire, but that I'd like the freedom to have more choices.

You guys in America were the shining light, but now I fear you've had you day and will sink into the sea with all this debt and doubts abotu a freer economy.

It is little known that many Dutch see American as their child. Aside from New Amsterdam (New York), your banking system and traditions are very old Dutch, your embrace of differing ways and cultures, Baseball, Santa Claus, etc. We were the first nation to embrace you as a country for many of these reasons.

Unfortunately, after WWII, we lost our way along with all the other leftist Euro-states and now we are left with largely sclerotic economies that will not see us into the future in a very kindly way.

[Dark Horse]

This is the model that's being played out. And why I've been watching the Fed's every move. Long read, but worth it.




(BTW, Ajax or F-word?)

[Flying Dutchman]

This is the model that's being played out. And why I've been watching the Fed's every move. Long read, but worth it.




(BTW, Ajax or F-word?)

Firstly, my club is De Graafschap. We're sort of the Cubbies of Holland, never won much of anything. The club is close to my home, and while I root for the big Dutch clubs against others, my "Super Farmers" are close to my heart.

But then I moved to the USA and got into, and played, American Football. And frankly, I much prefer the action and violence of the American game.

Thanks for the article. More on that in my next post.

[Emily_Haines]

nice try not from thunder bay

lakerboy that would be me.

[uncut]

The Netherlands is not socialist. You have pretty low taxes if you compare it with the rest of Europe, and a mostly free economy.
Cannabis and prostitution is legal (which is liberalism/libertarianism not socialism).

I live in Sweden, which is the socialist country no.1. We have a strong tradition of anti-individualism. We have extremely high taxes, low economic freedom and lots and lots of laws and rules. Prostitution was criminalized by the Social Democratic Party (ofcourse) about 10 years ago and if you possess drugs you can go to jail (that includes cannabis).
Politics in Sweden is kind of different from in the US. For example, people in small towns and on the countryside are most likely to vote socialist or the christian democrats, while people in the big cities vote liberal.
Liberalism = low taxes, civil liberties, personal freedom, economic freedom etc. This is classical liberalism, not the weird american liberalism, which is sort of a mix between big government and small government.

My point is that the Netherlands is not a socialist country and I don't think Obama is a socialist. He's more of a social liberal, I hope.

[dodger33]

socialism is an effing crock of shit. it will not work for america. socialism is a uptopic principle. there are too many lazy people that sit on their arsses and get government assistance already here. if we adopt this social healthcare policy we are doooomed! obaaaaaaaaaaaaamaa is going to surpass carter as the worst president in the history of this great nation before his term is over!
p.s. aren't cars in holland like 3 times what they should cost because the government runs the automobile industry??

[RogueScholar]

RogueScholar and tacomax wouldn’t have to live in cardboard boxes on the street anymore. We have government provided housing for the insane and ill-equipped, all paid by the taxes of the same rednecks (fine folks like: obama our lord, DrStale, andywend ,& DwightShrute) who are too dumb or too conflicted to move out of the country.

Can I keep my cardboard box and just take their cash to spend on the cheap marijuana and legal twink prostitutes?

[DwightShrute]

socialism is an effing crock of shit. it will not work for america. socialism is a uptopic principle. there are too many lazy people that sit on their arsses and get government assistance already here. if we adopt this social healthcare policy we are doooomed! obaaaaaaaaaaaaamaa is going to surpass carter as the worst president in the history of this great nation before his term is over!
p.s. aren't cars in holland like 3 times what they should cost because the government runs the automobile industry??

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