America's Economic Collapse is On the Way

[TheIntegrityKid]

You can't take ObamaOurLord seriously, Integrity. All the guy does is spout off bullshit that he hears on Limbaugh. He has no ideas of his own. I've tested him - and he couldn't answer a simple question. Instead he kept asking the questions instead of answering them. The guy has no clue as to what he's talking about and is nothing but a nuisance. He hates Obama for the sake of hating Obama. This is the type of thinking you get from him, "My butt itches...it's that goddamn Obama!"

Haha I hear ya... Just wanted to explain my position a lil..

I think I'm in the minority for voting for Bush AND Obama. Or maybe I'm a sheep, hoping one of them will be my shephard lol

Nah, to me, all political parties are gonna produce similar results if in power so my vote goes to which party can IMPLEMENT positive ideas to achieve productive results

Obama may not stand for everything that I do, but until the Rep's get back to what really made them Republican, I am gonna have to go with the liberal here.

I think there is a chance to get into post-partisan politics someday by blending the good and bad of each party. Maybe it's your Libertarianism. Maybe it's just elements of that blended with conservatism and liberalism, but the MAIN THING is go back to ALL of us in the USA being AMERICANS FIRST...

[obama our lord]

Now, OOL, I'll ask you to write something original for once, Instead of just copy/pasting gloom and doom articles...

The problem is nothing in the article is refutable. Not Obama's history, his mentors, his agenda and philosophy as he has stated it throughout his life.

There's no way to paint anything positive about any of it or what he is doing.

[ABEHONEST]

If one doesn't have a piece of farmland, I highly suggest you buy some.............or at the very least, an acre or two large garden to grow vegteables.

The supermarket shelves will be hard to stock in the not so distant future.

Nice opinion Fishhead !I've been thinking along the same line for quite a while .
Better ,at least ,have a spot set aside for growing your own veggies !

[losturmarbles]

I've never preached equal results... I concur with you there. But as I've said another post, there's something wrong when the community you come from can predict what type of success you are bound to have.

I also agree about not punishing success but the economy was great under Clinton, so a couple of more tax dollars from those that can afford it ARE NOT gonna bring the economy down.

Now, if you wanna propose a fair tax, or flat tax... I'd join you there

the economy has little to do with who is president at the time, and using that as a basis to excuse government plunder is unacceptable.

[DwightShrute]

Or they may have EVEN MORE opportunities for success...

He just may level the playing field where NEW IDEAS are born, that the world may have never even known, had those children not been given a chance to succeed.

I'll buy the argument that Socialism itself would not be good, but I highly doubt our country would ever go entirely in that direction. Maybe elements of it. But we are a melting pot- Let's blend the good ideas from all types of thought to run country where ALL of its citizens may prosper

Let's blend the good ideas from all types of thought to run country where ALL of its citizens may prosper

Do you really think that is realistic? Listen to the words to said from my view.

The government work for you! Not the other way around. They shouldn't RUN the country as you suggest and they sure as hell don't listen to you for good ideas. Lower taxes, get the hell out of "FIXING" everything, let the friggen people alone.

Citizens will prosper or fail on their own. What has the government ever done in business that has been successful? Freddie and Fannie?

Doing it yourself is True Success.

The government should be like referees. You heard that expression, it was a great game or match, you never even noticed the referees. They let the players play. They let the players decide the game. Those are usually the best games to watch. The reason we decided to spend 3 hours of our lives dedicated to a game. The worst games are the ones that the referee is the focal point. Penalties all the time. Flags on every play. Sure, we need referee's, I want to know the referees are there just in case, but let them play.

Now change referee's to government

[TheIntegrityKid]

Well.. it's not like Bush didn't let his cronies run wild too...

Like I said, I voted for Bush, twice. I guess I feel let down by the Republican Party. It actually 'hurt' to vote against McCain. But I told myself I was voting FOR Obama, not against McCain.

If things look bleak, I will probably vote Rep in 2012, but until then, I choose HOPE over FEAR

[TheIntegrityKid]

Do you really think that is realistic? Listen to the words to said from my view.

The government work for you! Not the other way around. They shouldn't RUN the country as you suggest and they sure as hell don't listen to you for good ideas. Lower taxes, get the hell out of "FIXING" everything, let the friggen people alone.

Citizens will prosper or fail on their own. What has the government ever done in business that has been successful? Freddie and Fannie?

Doing it yourself is True Success.

The government should be like referees. You heard that expression, it was a great game or match, you never even noticed the referees. They let the players play. They let the players decide the game. Those are usually the best games to watch. The reason we decided to spend 3 hours of our lives dedicated to a game. The worst games are the ones that the referee is the focal point. Penalties all the time. Flags on every play. Sure, we need referee's, I want to know the referees are there just in case, but let them play.

Now change referee's to government

Dwight, if it were that simple, I'd be all for it man...

As dreamy as you guys think I sound, that seems even more dreamier.

Face it, NEITHER side will allow that tho, as BOTH parties profit while being in power...

[DwightShrute]

You can't take ObamaOurLord seriously, Integrity. All the guy does is spout off bullshit that he hears on Limbaugh. He has no ideas of his own. I've tested him - and he couldn't answer a simple question. Instead he kept asking the questions instead of answering them. The guy has no clue as to what he's talking about and is nothing but a nuisance. He hates Obama for the sake of hating Obama. This is the type of thinking you get from him, "My butt itches...it's that goddamn Obama!"

With all due respect King. If all he said was "My butt itches...it's that goddamn Obama!" and other things similar, then I would agree with you. But here's where you are wrong. He doesn't. He's not sucked into to the over OBAMAhype BS that seems to be working on some.

IMO, he make a lot of sense actually and so Does Rush.

[DwightShrute]

Dwight, if it were that simple, I'd be all for it man...

As dreamy as you guys think I sound, that seems even more dreamier.

Face it, NEITHER side will allow that tho, as BOTH parties profit while being in power...

Yes I agree! 100%

I will criticize either side.

Refs only please.

[TheIntegrityKid]

I like that you defend your views Dwight... I wish the Republican Party didn't let me down or I'd be blindly following Rush and company myself. Not saying you are, just saying that I would've

I respect your views, but the good thing for me is that I now have party Independence and can now see things from both sides...

[TheIntegrityKid]

Yes I agree! 100%

I will criticize either side.

Refs only please.

Good... some common ground.

[DwightShrute]

Good... some common ground.

just the major difference we have is, I think less government is ALWAYS better and it seems to me, you think they can solve our problems. Or most of them.

that puzzles me to be honest.

[TheIntegrityKid]

just the major difference we have is, I think less government is ALWAYS better and it seems to me, you think they can solve our problems. Or most of them.

that puzzles me to be honest.

Well my take is... if they are gonna be there anyway, and there is NOTHING we can do about it, why not side with those I feel will do a better job?

To me, it's about Implementing Ideas.. McCain's administration seemed like it would've been a knock-off of Bush's. Meanwhile, Obama came through with fresh ideas. Which is kind of sad, because the McCain from 2000, or the McCain from his speech on election night would've won him the Presidency.

In the end, he was tied to the Rep machine. Obama seemed like he would do a lil more for the guy on main street. With both parties being "bought off" it seemed like Obama would be able to get a lil bit more done.

So while Gov't isn't the solution, while they are gonna be there anyway, may as well have the sharpest minds running things. The Liberal Elite claim to be smarter than everyone, let's see them prove it...

[KingRevolver]

Guys, guys, guys. You're supposed to be fighting, NOT getting along

Alright, let's start over! Dwight - you're stupid. Integrity - you suck. At least that's what Dwight told me.

[curious]

The facts about coal....

Coal cost $20 a ton as recently as five years ago. The DemoCong declared war on coal years before that. They destroyed the coal industry in West Virginia. As soon as they obtained a majority in both houses of Congress they ratcheted up the War on Coal. EPA lawsuits, constant harassment, thousands of pages of new regulations, CDC investigations, the list is endless.

Bottom line of the War on Coal is that coal now costs $50 a ton in the US. In Asia it is $120 a ton.

The cap and tax bill will put a $28 a ton tax on coal. Coal in the US was as high as $150 a ton last summer.

Sure $28 a ton is 50% of coal's current price. But in terms of raising electric rates $28 a ton will raise rates a few pennies a KWH for coal producing plants.

[DwightShrute]

Well my take is... if they are gonna be there anyway, and there is NOTHING we can do about it, why not side with those I feel will do a better job?

one word ...... WOW are you really serious?

It's like you have already just given up and decided ... Socialism is inevitable, bring it on! Why do you or any free thinking person want to government to decide what is best for you?

He isn't the messiah. He isn't better than you. He is a public servant. Obama works for you for **** sake!

[durito]

hey it's curious!!!

you coming to the bash buddy?

[DwightShrute]

Guys, guys, guys. You're supposed to be fighting, NOT getting along

Alright, let's start over! Dwight - you're stupid. Integrity - you suck. At least that's what Dwight told me.

wow

[TheIntegrityKid]

one word ...... WOW are you really serious?

It's like you have already just given up and decided ... Socialism is inevitable, bring it on! Why do you or any free thinking person want to government to decide what is best for you?

He isn't the messiah. He isn't better than you. He is a public servant. He works for you for **** sake!

I haven't given up... And I don't think Socialism is inevitable either. I just think parts of it can be good. And I don't wanna blindly follow him or the govt either. I'm just saying that both parties take care of their elite interests first and he seems like he will atleast take a lil more time for the guy on main street.

[DwightShrute]

I haven't given up... And I don't think Socialism is inevitable either. I just think parts of it can be good. And I don't wanna blindly follow him or the govt either. I'm just saying that both parties take care of their elite interests first and he seems like he will atleast take a lil more time for the guy on main street.

OK, we agree basically.

So Bush isn't in power now. Omaba is. If Bush was doing this, I would be all over him like white on rice.

The people need to send him a strong message in the 2010 elections. Let's get common sense in there. Maybe too much to ask for unfortunately.

Obama is asking you guys to blindly following him and you guys do it. I don't see the logic.

The "we need change" thing. It sounds good. Makes a great poster. Great catch phrase. I get it I get it! I even was on his side thinking maybe, just maybe he is going to be the real thing. The fresh face of the "new politician" all that HYPE. I wish he was, I really really reaaly do. I woke up, I smelled the coffee. You are seeing where's it's headed. Don't let your pride cloud your judgement.

"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

[TheIntegrityKid]

OK, we agree basically.

So Bush isn't in power now. Omaba is. If Bush was doing this, I would be all over him like white on rice.

The people need to send him a strong message in the 2010 elections. Let's get common sense in there. Maybe too much to ask for unfortunately.

Obama is asking you guys to blindly following him and you guys do it. I don't see the logic.

The "we need change" thing. It sounds good. Makes a great poster. Great catch phrase. I get it I get it! I even was on his side thinking maybe, just maybe he is going to be the real thing. The fresh face of the "new politician" all that HYPE. I wish he was, I really really reaaly do. I woke up, I smelled the coffee. You are seeing where's it's headed. Don't let your pride cloud your judgement.

"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

You are a reasonable man Dwight... Atleast you acknowledge 'what could be'... and maybe I was sold on that too. But I'm an eternal optimist and WILL NOT give up HOPE in this GREAT nation, whether it's Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy or ANYONE as President.

"We are and always will be, The United States of America," as someone so eloquently said...

I still think there's a chance for Obama to usher in a Post-Partisan politics. We will just have to wait until he has finished grabbing power and fulfilling favors/promises. His vision may not be as bleak as everyone here seems to think.

Common sense in 2010 sounds like a bumpersticker waiting to happen and it would be nice to see that happen. Get a good blend of Reps, Dems, Ind and maybe some Libertarians in there so that not one party is in a majority and they would be FORCED to work together.

Just because I like Obama doesn't mean I don't want checks and balances. And one thing about Pride- I've always maintained that it's one of the biggest lies you can tell yourself. It ALWAYS clouds judgment. From everyone. I said in a song that I wrote "And pride will slip to slide-as a gift to guide from the inside shall provide the ride into a predestined design"

Now, I have Pride in my country and am Proud to be an American. But I am not blinded by it either. I have my own ideas and will always keep an open mind, if not a Hopeful one too...

[DwightShrute]

[TheIntegrityKid]

[Willie Bee]

[obama our lord]

You can't take ObamaOurLord seriously, Integrity. All the guy does is spout off bullshit that he hears on Limbaugh. He has no ideas of his own. I've tested him - and he couldn't answer a simple question. Instead he kept asking the questions instead of answering them. The guy has no clue as to what he's talking about and is nothing but a nuisance. He hates Obama for the sake of hating Obama. This is the type of thinking you get from him, "My butt itches...it's that goddamn Obama!"

I missed this response..

The problem was you are such a dumbass you thought Obama signed TARP when it was actually Bush.