Virginia first #1 seed ever to lose. UMBC +2500

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  • indio
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 06-03-11
    • 751

    #386
    Originally posted by cincinnatikid513
    most of us won't be alive the next time a 16 seed beats a 1 seed will take another perfect storm a 16 seed plays out of this world a 1 seed who is very weak on offense a hot shooting night from the 16 and a cold shooting night from the 1
    Actually, the proposition of another #16 seed beating a #1 seed in the next 10 years would be a favorite vs. it not happening. If every #1 seed had a 98% chance of winning its game the next 40 tries (and there would often be cases where they were less than 98% in reality, but almost never more than 98%), the chance of a #16 seed winning at least once in the next 40 tries would be 55%. Fact is, it was amazing (although not earth shattering) it hadn't happened before today, but that's just variance.
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    • Roadtrip635
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 12-07-10
      • 6129

      #387
      <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Little Caesar’s CEO: “You sure about this?”<br>Little Caesar’s marketing guy: “I guarantee we won’t pay a dime.” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UMBC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"># UMBC</a> <a href="https://t.co/AHzW6ER2Hz">pic.twitter.com/AHzW6ER2Hz</a></p>&mdash; Luke Arthur (@lja_14) <a href="https://twitter.com/lja_14/status/974866190844747776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"> March 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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      • MMANick
        SBR MVP
        • 12-06-16
        • 4075

        #388
        You da man, bro.
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        • Stallion
          SBR MVP
          • 03-21-10
          • 3617

          #389
          I said someone would win by 20 LOL
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #390
            Why it’s not really a massive story is because the game was a blowout I think if it was closer I would be getting much more attention

            It’s like this Maryland team is just as good as them
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            • JohnGalt2341
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 12-31-09
              • 9138

              #391
              Originally posted by indio
              Actually, the proposition of another #16 seed beating a #1 seed in the next 10 years would be a favorite vs. it not happening. If every #1 seed had a 98% chance of winning its game the next 40 tries (and there would often be cases where they were less than 98% in reality, but almost never more than 98%), the chance of a #16 seed winning at least once in the next 40 tries would be 55%. Fact is, it was amazing (although not earth shattering) it hadn't happened before today, but that's just variance.
              This is correct and even this is being conservative. For anyone that doubts his math it's pretty easy to figure it out on your own if you would like. Just figure out the No Juice Closing Lines for all the #1 vs #16 games. I just used 5Dimes closing lines to make it simple. If I did it correctly, the NJCL in the UMBC vs VA game was +/-3284. Converted into percentages it basically gives VA a 97% chance of winning. In the Nova vs Radford game it's 97.5%, in the Xavier vs TX So. game it's 96.7%. But the one that was REALLY close for a #1 vs #16 seed was the PA vs KS game. The 5Dimes closing line was PA +880 KS -1080. That means the NJCL was approximately +/-897. Converted into percentages that's only approximately 90%. I predict that a #16 beating a #1 is going to end up very similar to the 4 Minute Mile. Now that it has been done, I think it will happen much more frequently now. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we see it happen more than once in the next 10 years.
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              • convick
                SBR MVP
                • 11-03-11
                • 3954

                #392
                Final thoughts, Virginia got a favorable game location but got hosed by the committee. I think those guys stuck it to the Cavs. The public S-curve released has the six 16 seeds listed in this order:

                63. UMBC
                64. Penn
                65. Radford
                66. LIU-Brooklyn
                67. NC Central
                68. Texas Southern



                So, Virginia got stuck with a quasi 15 seed, the best of the 16 seeds. I wonder if Virginia would have lost to Tx Southern.. that would have been even a greater upset if the worst team in the field had knocked them off.

                Xavier should have been the ones to play UMBC, as the worst of the top seeds. Wonder if they would have choked just as hard!
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                • BeatTheJerk
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 08-19-07
                  • 31794

                  #393
                  Originally posted by Roadtrip635
                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Little Caesar’s CEO: “You sure about this?”<br>Little Caesar’s marketing guy: “I guarantee we won’t pay a dime.” <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UMBC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UMBC </a> <a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/AHzW6ER2Hz">pic.twitter.com/AHzW6ER2Hz</a></p>— Luke Arthur (@lja_14) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/lja_14/status/974866190844747776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"> March 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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                  I’ll be there with my hand out
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                  • brooks85
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 01-05-09
                    • 44709

                    #394
                    Originally posted by d2bets
                    No. Just no.

                    +2500? Should be +25000 at least.

                    another shining example of what a failure you are.

                    Do you get anything right?
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                    • johnnyvegas13
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                      • 05-21-15
                      • 27897

                      #395
                      Umbc +10 +450 vs Kansas st ....
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                      • cincinnatikid513
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 11-23-17
                        • 45360

                        #396
                        Originally posted by convick
                        Final thoughts, Virginia got a favorable game location but got hosed by the committee. I think those guys stuck it to the Cavs. The public S-curve released has the six 16 seeds listed in this order:

                        63. UMBC
                        64. Penn
                        65. Radford
                        66. LIU-Brooklyn
                        67. NC Central
                        68. Texas Southern



                        So, Virginia got stuck with a quasi 15 seed, the best of the 16 seeds. I wonder if Virginia would have lost to Tx Southern.. that would have been even a greater upset if the worst team in the field had knocked them off.

                        Xavier should have been the ones to play UMBC, as the worst of the top seeds. Wonder if they would have choked just as hard!
                        they try to keep teams as close to home as possible
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                        • LT Profits
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 10-27-06
                          • 90963

                          #397
                          Originally posted by brooks85
                          another shining example of what a failure you are.

                          Do you get anything right?
                          He is right in this case though, UMBC was severely underpriced at only +2500. They should have been at least +4000.
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                          • ikid2groove415
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 01-08-18
                            • 11981

                            #398
                            Originally posted by convick
                            Final thoughts, Virginia got a favorable game location but got hosed by the committee. I think those guys stuck it to the Cavs. The public S-curve released has the six 16 seeds listed in this order:

                            63. UMBC
                            64. Penn
                            65. Radford
                            66. LIU-Brooklyn
                            67. NC Central
                            68. Texas Southern



                            So, Virginia got stuck with a quasi 15 seed, the best of the 16 seeds. I wonder if Virginia would have lost to Tx Southern.. that would have been even a greater upset if the worst team in the field had knocked them off.

                            Xavier should have been the ones to play UMBC, as the worst of the top seeds. Wonder if they would have choked just as hard!
                            Lol you can’t be serious ? They lost to a 16 seed - never been done before ? Nobody hosed them
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                            • thechaoz
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 10-23-09
                              • 12154

                              #399
                              So mad.. If you put a buck on this game.. Ugh
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                              • jjgold
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 07-20-05
                                • 388179

                                #400
                                What if scenarios

                                Love them
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                                • johnnyvegas13
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                                  • 05-21-15
                                  • 27897

                                  #401
                                  Another bracket buster on the loose

                                  Bama musta been watching umbc
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                                  • ikid2groove415
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 01-08-18
                                    • 11981

                                    #402
                                    Originally posted by johnnyvegas13
                                    Another bracket buster on the loose

                                    Bama musta been watching umbc
                                    bama is a legit team and they play in the SEC
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                                    • packerd_00
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 05-22-13
                                      • 17811

                                      #403
                                      Well done mate, everyone will be jumping on you're bandwagon and say they saw it coming but really let's be honest very few did, especially in the fashion it ended.
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                                      • johnnyvegas13
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                                        • 05-21-15
                                        • 27897

                                        #404
                                        Bama will win here

                                        sexton is legit
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                                        • ikid2groove415
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 01-08-18
                                          • 11981

                                          #405
                                          Originally posted by LT Profits
                                          He is right in this case though, UMBC was severely underpriced at only +2500. They should have been at least +4000.
                                          No reason for books to do that lol!! Why would they lay that out so they can get crush if something like last night happen ?
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                                          • Mac4Lyfe
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 01-04-09
                                            • 48386

                                            #406
                                            Originally posted by LT Profits
                                            He is right in this case though, UMBC was severely underpriced at only +2500. They should have been at least +4000.
                                            Yep, but then they probably wouldn't put out a line. Books seem to really skim heavy favorites.
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                                            • Mac4Lyfe
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 01-04-09
                                              • 48386

                                              #407
                                              Originally posted by thechaoz
                                              So mad.. If you put a buck on this game.. Ugh
                                              You would have won $25... Not real life altering.
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                                              • slayer14
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 08-12-13
                                                • 22022

                                                #408
                                                a $10 bet on this would have been a decent payout
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                                                • KVB
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 05-29-14
                                                  • 74817

                                                  #409
                                                  Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                  He is right in this case though, UMBC was severely underpriced at only +2500. They should have been at least +4000.
                                                  I disagree here. I had Virginia winning the game by 7 points with a forecast that had been beating the books average line error both during the season and when adjusted for tournament play over past seasons.

                                                  That 7 point spread will not translate to such a moneyline and I argue that my forecast revealed an extremely inefficient market, a condition we often see with the swelling of the markets for March Madness.

                                                  I can create forecasts with available numbers that give Virginia that kind of scoring discrepancy, but they don't seem to be predictive.

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                                                  • Mr KLC
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                                                    • 12-19-07
                                                    • 31097

                                                    #410
                                                    One more time since it bears repeating: UMBC lost to Albany 83-39 this season.
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                                                    • Mr KLC
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                                                      • 12-19-07
                                                      • 31097

                                                      #411
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                                                      • ChuckyTheGoat
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                                                        • 04-04-11
                                                        • 37504

                                                        #412
                                                        Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                                        One more time since it bears repeating: UMBC lost to Albany 83-39 this season.
                                                        That's one hell of a find, KLC. Of course, the Great Dane is a fanastic dog.
                                                        Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                                        • ikid2groove415
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                                                          • 01-08-18
                                                          • 11981

                                                          #413
                                                          Retrievers unite !!
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                                                          • Mr KLC
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                                                            • 12-19-07
                                                            • 31097

                                                            #414
                                                            If UMBC wins the NCAA basketball tournament, they will be the 3rd school with championships in both men's basketball and chess (CCNY and Florida).
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                                                            • ikid2groove415
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 01-08-18
                                                              • 11981

                                                              #415
                                                              Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                                              If UMBC wins the NCAA basketball tournament, they will be the 3rd school with championships in both men's basketball and chess (CCNY and Florida).
                                                              Chess is a sport?
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                                                              • cincinnatikid513
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 11-23-17
                                                                • 45360

                                                                #416
                                                                Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                                                If UMBC wins the NCAA basketball tournament, they will be the 3rd school with championships in both men's basketball and chess (CCNY and Florida).
                                                                i'm interested to see how umbc plays kansas st u can understand a little bit of a letdown can they back it up like florida gulf coast did on their magic run
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                                                                • lonegambler23
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 06-22-16
                                                                  • 9760

                                                                  #417
                                                                  Originally posted by slayer14
                                                                  a $10 bet on this would have been a decent payout
                                                                  had that on +3250
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                                                                  • t-wizzle
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                                                                    • 12-18-09
                                                                    • 38099

                                                                    #418
                                                                    Holy shit.
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                                                                    • JIBBBY
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 12-10-09
                                                                      • 83686

                                                                      #419
                                                                      UMBC is gonna get pounded by Kansas State in their next game today.. This cinderella story ends after today.. Fade em...
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                                                                      • 2Shirts
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                                                                        • 03-11-11
                                                                        • 4402

                                                                        #420
                                                                        And they beat VA by 20 - image what Albany would have done to VA.

                                                                        Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                                                        One more time since it bears repeating: UMBC lost to Albany 83-39 this season.
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