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  • InTheHole
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-28-08
    • 15243

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    Federal Officials Order Banks to Freeze Millions in Online Poker Winnings
    Feds Freeze Poker Champ's Winnings
    Federal Officials Order Banks to Freeze Millions in Online Poker Winnings

    By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
    June 11, 2009—

    On the Sunday before Memorial Day, David made the big time.

    Winning $10,000 in an online poker tournament made him eligible for the upcoming World Series of Poker, the game's premier event, where hundreds of players -- amateur and professional -- descend on Las Vegas from around the world to play for a multimillion-dollar pot.

    To register, he simply had to cash a check cut by a company that processed payments for the poker Web site Pokerstars.com and use the $10,000 to buy into the series.

    When he went to cash the check from Account Services Wednesday, it bounced, he said.

    What David, a 41-year-old from Virginia who spoke on the condition that ABC News use only his first name, initially thought was a glitch turned out to be part of an unprecedented government crackdown on online poker that affected some 27,000 people.

    Late last week, the federal government ordered five banks to freeze a total of $30 million in payments owed to the players from companies that process payments from two offshore gambling sites, according to the Poker Players Alliance, a group that represents the interests of the companies and players.

    "It's not like the government went after money that the site made, instead they seized money that belonged to me," David said. "There is no law that restricts citizens from recovering money."

    According to the alliance, federal prosecutors working out of New York's Southern District ordered Citibank, Wells Fargo and three smaller banks to freeze funds in accounts belonging to Allied Systems and Account Services, companies that process funds for the poker sites.

    Some affected players who gamble at the popular sites FullTiltPoker.com and PokerStars.com first realized they could not access funds in their accounts over the weekend when checks issued from the companies bounced.

    Online poker, a $9 billion to $12 billion a year industry, is legally a gray area, experts told ABCNews.com. Washington is the only state with a law on its books that bans residents from playing on the Internet. The sites themselves, however, are not allowed to operate in the United States and are all registered overseas.

    Online Poker Players Alliance Criticizes Freezing of Accounts

    "There is no legal precedent for what the government is doing," said John Pappas, executive director of the alliance.

    "We contend playing online poker is not unlawful. The government is going after the players' money, not the sites'. The fact is, there is no federal law against playing online poker," he said.

    Though the government maintains that online gambling is illegal, the U.S. attorney's office in New York would not comment on the case or confirm an investigation was under way.

    According to federal documents obtained by The Associated Press, a judge in the Southern District of New York issued a seizure warrant last week for an account at a Wells Fargo bank in San Francisco. The AP reported that the documents also showed that a federal prosecutor told a bank in Arizona to freeze an account.

    In a letter dated Friday and faxed to Alliance Bank of Arizona, Arlo Devlin-Brown, the assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York said that accounts held by payment processor Allied Systems Inc. are subject to seizure and forfeiture "because they constitute property involved in money laundering transactions and illegal gambling offenses," according to the AP.

    In another letter, Devlin-Brown asks that the bank treat the funds "as legally seized" by the FBI, saying that the government has probable cause that the gambling payments of U.S. residents had been directed to offshore illegal Internet gambling businesses, the AP reported.

    A source at Citgroup familiar with the government request, however, confirmed the "bank has been contacted and is cooperating" with the authorities.

    According to the alliance, the laws cited by prosecutors "appear to allege violations of the Wire Act and the Illegal Gambling Business Act" and not to a more recent piece of legislation on online gaming called the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act.

    Another player, Sam Friedman, a 24-year-old accountant in New York City who plays every night in tournaments on FullTiltPoker.com, said he realized the company had last week removed an option to deposit winnings directly into his Citibank account.

    Internet Poker Players Say Feds Are 'Reaching Into People's Bank Accounts'

    "There are lots of ways to deposit and withdraw money and payment options are always disappearing, but something didn't seem right," Friedman said.

    "I can't believe the government is reaching into people's bank accounts like this," he said. "For a lot of serious players this is their lifeblood. This is how they make ends meet."

    Both FullTiltPoker.com and PokerStars.com have reimbursed players who tried to cash out and were unable to.

    "In light of recent events involving the freezing of certain accounts, Full Tilt Poker would like to assure all players that their funds remain safe and secure," spokeswoman Michelle Clayborn said in a statement.

    "All players who were affected by the current situation have had their funds returned to their accounts," the statement said. David, the World Series hopeful, said he had been reimbursed by PokerStars and given an additional 10 percent credit.

    He used his own savings to buy into the World Series and will use the winnings from his championship game online to pay himself back as soon as he gets them, he said.

    Copyright © 2009 ABC News Internet Ventures
  • TheIntegrityKid
    SBR MVP
    • 06-08-09
    • 3063

    #2
    That's just not right...


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    • betplom
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 09-20-06
      • 13444

      #3
      Land of the Free.

      I think not, you're only as free as the US government allows.
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      • Fiasco
        SBR MVP
        • 11-02-08
        • 2406

        #4
        Originally posted by TheIntegrityKid
        That's just not right...
        the United States government is a joke

        and I'm the most conservative individual you will meet... (on every issue but gambling...)
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        • Kaiser Jacob
          SBR Rookie
          • 06-01-09
          • 38

          #5
          I wonder how many people in law enforcement at all levels of government gamble online? I wonder how many lawyers that are members of state bars gamble online? How many judges gamble online? The government is making a big mistake attacking its own citizens this way.
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          • Fiasco
            SBR MVP
            • 11-02-08
            • 2406

            #6
            Originally posted by Kaiser Jacob
            I wonder how many people in law enforcement at all levels of government gamble online? I wonder how many lawyers that are members of state bars gamble online? How many judges gamble online? The government is making a big mistake attacking its own citizens this way.
            I'm only a sophomore but my hopes are to become a lawyer

            and this addiction won't end with that
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            • TheIntegrityKid
              SBR MVP
              • 06-08-09
              • 3063

              #7
              Originally posted by Fiasco
              I'm only a sophomore but my hopes are to become a lawyer

              and this addiction won't end with that

              Right on

              Even Obama admitted to playing poker...So you know they all do it... It's the height of hypocrisy that there's still crap holding it back from being completely legal


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              • Kaiser Jacob
                SBR Rookie
                • 06-01-09
                • 38

                #8
                Originally posted by Fiasco
                I'm only a sophomore but my hopes are to become a lawyer

                and this addiction won't end with that
                Start studying for the LSAT right now and good luck
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                • pattie2
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 03-25-09
                  • 38

                  #9
                  WOW

                  glad I don't have much money in my accounts

                  just enough to play not worry about not being able to make a withdrawl

                  hope things change in the future
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                  • BrentCrude
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-16-05
                    • 4665

                    #10
                    But on the bright side of things that will make all Obama fascism feel good is that

                    I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
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                    • MonkeyF0cker
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 06-12-07
                      • 12144

                      #11
                      What does this have to do with "Obama fascism" exactly, Brent? Thank the dickheads in the previous administration.
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                      • BrentCrude
                        SBR MVP
                        • 11-16-05
                        • 4665

                        #12
                        The SBR bash can also serve as an Irish wake and funeral for online sportsbetting.

                        Turn out the lights,the party is over for online gambling of any kind.The first mortal shot has been fired across the bow with the poker payout confiscation.Even if this kind of thing is spotty where it pops up here and there,the whole pool of bettors and sportsbooks is now diseased where there is total uncertainty.What's the old saying,sweat the game you bet on,not the not getting paid when you win.

                        The poker confiscation of checks will have the same affect like a few years back when the Washington DC snipers were on the loose where only a handful of people got killed but millions of people avoided at all cost standing around outside in the open and being exposed.


                        Follow the money trail.This is another Obama payback to the unions,mark my word.And no one will dare criticize Obama over anything is because most people have connections to collecting a government check of some kind whether it be through direct government employment,indirect government employment or receiving entitlement checks and so on and so forth.When you grew up and got an allowance on daddy's payday,did you call him a rotten S.O.B.10 minutes before the mail man showed up?
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                        • MonkeyF0cker
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 06-12-07
                          • 12144

                          #13
                          Umm. Where have you been, Brent? The government seized $24 million in funds from Bodog last year and the UIGEA was finalized and implemented in the Treasury department in the last days of Bush's term. This has absolutely nothing to do with Obama. Although, I'm sure that in your little world of spin everything is Obama's fault.
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                          • wtf
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 08-22-08
                            • 12983

                            #14
                            then who is pushing this as the administration changed

                            i.e. new attorney general, what the usa govt is on auto pilot? i dont think so
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                            • MonkeyF0cker
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 06-12-07
                              • 12144

                              #15
                              It's policy implemented by the Bush administration from the UIGEA. The bill hasn't been rescinded last time I checked.
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                              • MonkeyF0cker
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 06-12-07
                                • 12144

                                #16
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                                • wtf
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 08-22-08
                                  • 12983

                                  #17
                                  there are all kind on neat laws on the books that are not STRICTLY enforced

                                  i think a few states still have buggery laws
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                                  • MonkeyF0cker
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 06-12-07
                                    • 12144

                                    #18
                                    I'm pretty sure the banks are the ones who report those types of financial transactions to the Fed and the Fed becomes obligated to investigate them. Those policies would all need to be changed in order for them to be able to ignore the bill. You couldn't have banks reporting that activity and using costly resources to do so only to have the Fed ignore them. The bill needs to be abolished anyway. Otherwise, administrations would be able to utilize it at their own discretion.
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                                    • durito
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 07-03-06
                                      • 13173

                                      #19
                                      What's funny is how over and over again people report this story yet not once has anyone understood it.

                                      They seized processor money. It happens to sportsbooks processors all the time. The players still get paid.
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                                      • TheIntegrityKid
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 06-08-09
                                        • 3063

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by durito
                                        What's funny is how over and over again people report this story yet not once has anyone understood it.

                                        They seized processor money. It happens to sportsbooks processors all the time. The players still get paid.

                                        Well yeah, but even so... All these little things add up and makes one wonder how far all of this will go..

                                        Every bit of information helps. Be glad he posted the article


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                                        • BarkingToad
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 08-31-08
                                          • 5913

                                          #21
                                          Seems wrong on so many levels.
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