Justin7 Is now the sharpest capper on SBRforum.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Again monkey jumps in whenever another poster is complimented for being sharp. So bitter and jealous, even of Richie!

That was an attack on us "bullies." I was simply defending those of us that was geared toward. I'm almost jealous of a crackhead living in a trailor park. LOL. Surely you jest, bonehead.

[flyingillini]

With his Boston pick today he has just surpassed everyone.

New Rankings

1.Justin
2.Ganch
3..Monke
4.Donjuan
5.Durito
6.LTProfits
7.Brock Landers
8.Mathdotcom
9.Bread
10.SSLP


Nicky was bumped out of 10 ten with this new ranking as well. Sorry Ace.

Here is my list and these are in no particular order...

Justin7
Durito
Monkeyfocker
Ganchrow
SSLP (soccer only)



I really don't understand how you can put LTprofits or Brock even on the list.

[durito]

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lt is an actual handicapper

[tomcarter]

Are there any roi numbers from handicappers on these lists or any lists for that matter that would back up alot of the claims ? Most of the supposedly successful sports bettors you hear about are usually based on conjecture,

Who knows what Billy Walters numbers are over the years, fezziks,stanford wongs,alan palmer,etc..?

In the end ,this is not like investing in stocks.

"Smart money" by konik still is so relevant, so much of this game is based on con jobs and lies, it really is hard to find much that is truthful.

[Slim]

I love it when Crazyl tries to take shots at me from his $15 an hour job.

I never thought anyone could be worse at this than BBD, but here it is.

Says the guy living in a mud hut in some third world toilet.

[topcat]

Are there any roi numbers from handicappers on these lists or any lists for that matter that would back up alot of the claims ? Most of the supposedly successful sports bettors you hear about are usually based on conjecture,

Who knows what Billy Walters numbers are over the years, fezziks,stanford wongs,alan palmer,etc..?

In the end ,this is not like investing in stocks.

"Smart money" by konik still is so relevant, so much of this game is based on con jobs and lies, it really is hard to find much that is truthful.

billy walters is one of the few gamblers i respect.i dont know his record,because hes not a whore like wayne root or jim feistlike they tell the truth].billy is feared by many,and liked by few.hes know for being an ass.he's one of the that has always stayed on top.dont care much abot his golfing though.i like justins7 on areana football[TO BAD THEY CANCELLED THE SEASON].i would have checked his picks out.dont know how he is on other sports.i think Lt should of atleast he should be 2.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Are there any roi numbers from handicappers on these lists or any lists for that matter that would back up alot of the claims ? Most of the supposedly successful sports bettors you hear about are usually based on conjecture,

Who knows what Billy Walters numbers are over the years, fezziks,stanford wongs,alan palmer,etc..?

In the end ,this is not like investing in stocks.

"Smart money" by konik still is so relevant, so much of this game is based on con jobs and lies, it really is hard to find much that is truthful.

I know several runners for Billy Walters. He certainly does alright even though they had a very mediocre basketball season this year. He only bets football and basketball though. Smart Money really isn't all that relevant. The books know who the sharps and runners are. They don't turn away action nearly as much as they used to. Unless you're looking to get down more than counter limits at a particular book, you usually don't have a problem. There are only a couple of books that will cut you here.

[flyingillini]

I love it when Crazyl tries to take shots at me from his $15 an hour job.

I never thought anyone could be worse at this than BBD, but here it is.

I wouldn't even get up out of bed if I made that. I would be ashamed of myself and feel like a complete loser if I made $15.00 per hour.

[flyingillini]

Says the guy living in a mud hut in some third world toilet.

I have been to where Durito lives and it is far from what you guys think. It is modern and a very nice place. It is nicer than most places in the US. Not nicer than Santa Barbara but it's up there.

[MonkeyF0cker]

The fact is that no sharp is going to give his plays out for some very simple reasons.

1. It's counterproductive. If there's value on a particular side or total, you are more concerned with getting your bets down than giving someone your plays.

2. Betting on value. Sharps aren't looking to pick winners. They are looking to extract value from mispriced lines. People looking for "winners" are looking in the wrong place. Not only would you need to know the plays, but also the amount wagered on each play as each wager has varying edge and subsequently a unique percentage of bankroll is wagered for each play.

3. Not interested in bragging rights. People do this for money, not to flex their muscle to some forum trolls.

4. Hard work. Why would people go through the hours upon hours of work that it takes to create profitable models only to release it publicly so that others can reap the rewards with absolutely no effort?

And these are just a few of the reasons why a sharp wouldn't post their plays to a general audience. There are quite a few others. There is absolutely no good reason for a sharp to do so other than for the admiration of an undeserving audience.

[flyingillini]

The fact is that no sharp is going to give his plays out for some very simple reasons.

1. It's counterproductive. If there's value on a particular side or total, you are more concerned with getting your bets down than giving someone your plays.

2. Betting on value. Sharps aren't looking to pick winners. They are looking to extract value from mispriced lines. People looking for "winners" are looking in the wrong place. Not only would you need to know the plays, but also the amount wagered on each play as each wager has varying edge and subsequently a unique percentage of bankroll is wagered for each play.

3. Not interested in bragging rights. People do this for money, not to flex their muscle to some forum trolls.

4. Hard work. Why would people go through the hours upon hours of work that it takes to create profitable models only to release it publicly so that others can reap the rewards with absolutely no effort?

And these are just a few of the reasons why a sharp wouldn't post their plays to a general audience. There are quite a few others. There is absolutely no good reason for a sharp to do so other than for the admiration of an undeserving audience.

This is by far the post of the year, hands down! I really don't think anyone has summed this up better than Monkey.

[pimike]

Justin always has been not NOW as thread states.

[sofos]

Congratulations, Justin. Well deserved

[reno cool]

Problem is there's a million threads like this. And they're only designed to kiss ass. I have no doubt that most on the list know what they're doing. But, all of a sudden AAO knows who's sharper than who.
If you're going to start a thread like that provide some kind of reasoning or facts that we're not aware of to support your claim.

[crisp]

when i hit my china/germany over 3 i'm going to be the sharpest guy.

[englishmike]

Problem is there's a million threads like this. And they're only designed to kiss ass. I have no doubt that most on the list know what they're doing. But, all of a sudden AAO knows who's sharper than who.
If you're going to start a thread like that provide some kind of reasoning or facts that we're not aware of to support your claim.

Good shout. I've always wondered who the fukk cares whether they're perceived as 'sharp' or not, and why people would bother to waste their own time wondering who is and isn't 'sharp.'

To me, if you bet within your means, have documented to yourself you have an ability to pick a certain amount of winners (however you go about it), and by and large break even or better....That to me is someone who could be described as sharp.

I would also say someone who is sharp is someone who is willing to read and learn on sites like these. I had no clue of money management until seeing this site and am freely willing to admit my gambling is much more succesful now that I utilize money management, so although by no means a sharp....Im sharper.

Live and learn.

[LT Profits]

Here is my list and these are in no particular order...

Justin7
Durito
Monkeyfocker
Ganchrow
SSLP (soccer only)



I really don't understand how you can put LTprofits or Brock even on the list.

Because I still haven't had a losing season in any sport here? That is just a guess.

[jjgold]

The picks thread means nothing, I respect guys here that have spreadsheets and have track records over a period of time and a large number of picks.

Secondly I want to see amounts players are winning because that is what it comes down too.

[wtf]

maybe jj should issue a monthly award for the sharpest gambler, like a crown and scepter

[LT Profits]

Nicky is the only one with real proof that he wins

No one is even close to Nicky

What proof? I haven't seen Nicky post more than 10 plays in the time I've been here.

Meanwhile, I make hundreds of plays each season, and if I hold on and finish in the black in NBA and NHL, that will make 14 straight winning seasons at SBR. (I was only documented in NBA and CBB in 2006-07 because of my join date).

[Bread]

Obviously I am on this list as a joke.

But....


I am at the top of the SEXIEST MUTHER FUKKERS AT SBR list.

1. Bread
2. ????

[accuscoresucks]

anyone have a picture of moldy bread?

[Nicky Santoro]

What proof? I haven't seen Nicky post more than 10 plays in the time I've been here.

LT buddy, how many times do i have to repeat myself.. i NEVER have any opinions on games.. i do NOT put up picks because i dont know what i am going to have till i see an off #.. i never handicap games or teams, etc.. It's impossible to predict outcomes of games..

I only play weak #'s and get calls from my guys telling me to hop on a game, plus, i don't like to give picks cause if i do and it loses, i will feel so bad for costing all these kids their hard earned money.

[jellobiafra]

Nicky, maybe I'm misunderstanding you but it seems to me your argument is purely semantical. How do you know if a number is off unless you have an idea of what the number should be in the first place? How do you have an idea of what the number should be if you are not incorporating some form of handicapping? Whether you are actually doing the capping yourself or not, the people calling you believe the number is soft because they've capped the game and believe the score will end up significantly different than where the linemaker has predicted it will.

[Nicky Santoro]

jello,

i don't handicap ever.. it's a waste of time. anyone that thinks they are ahead of the game by saying a team is 12-1 at home, and 9-0 on grass, etc, are wasting their time.. that shit don't exist. it's all applied into the line and it's the past..

The only way i do it is if a line is -120/+110, and i see a book has -107, i bet the fav. if i see a book has a +117, i am betting the dog.. that's how i do it... i stare at a screen all day and i always see a few of these each day and i bang it out..

i also get a phone call from my guy telling me to jump on a game cause they have some strong info on that specific game, or they know of a late scratch, etc...

that's the only way i gamble.. trying to pick winners is a waste of time, UNLESS you have a good #..

[LT Profits]

LT buddy, how many times do i have to repeat myself.. i NEVER have any opinions on games.. i do NOT put up picks because i dont know what i am going to have till i see an off #.. i never handicap games or teams, etc.. It's impossible to predict outcomes of games..

I only play weak #'s and get calls from my guys telling me to hop on a game, plus, i don't like to give picks cause if i do and it loses, i will feel so bad for costing all these kids their hard earned money.

Right and I wasn't knocking you here.

I was just challenging jj's definition of "proof". Just saying that you don't have a documented record here and I accept your expaination why.

Meanwhile, I post every day and update my record daily, so everyone can see there is no fudging going on.

[jellobiafra]

jello,

i don't handicap ever.. it's a waste of time. anyone that thinks they are ahead of the game by saying a team is 12-1 at home, and 9-0 on grass, etc, are wasting their time.. that shit don't exist. it's all applied into the line and it's the past..

The only way i do it is if a line is -120/+110, and i see a book has -107, i bet the fav. if i see a book has a +117, i am betting the dog.. that's how i do it... i stare at a screen all day and i always see a few of these each day and i bang it out..

i also get a phone call from my guy telling me to jump on a game cause they have some strong info on that specific game, or they know of a late scratch, etc...

that's the only way i gamble.. trying to pick winners is a waste of time, UNLESS you have a good #..

I gotcha now. I was misunderstanding your use of "soft number". Thanks for clarifying.

[Mudcat]

The fact is that no sharp is going to give his plays out for some very simple reasons.

1. It's counterproductive. If there's value on a particular side or total, you are more concerned with getting your bets down than giving someone your plays.

2. Betting on value. Sharps aren't looking to pick winners. They are looking to extract value from mispriced lines. People looking for "winners" are looking in the wrong place. Not only would you need to know the plays, but also the amount wagered on each play as each wager has varying edge and subsequently a unique percentage of bankroll is wagered for each play.

3. Not interested in bragging rights. People do this for money, not to flex their muscle to some forum trolls.

4. Hard work. Why would people go through the hours upon hours of work that it takes to create profitable models only to release it publicly so that others can reap the rewards with absolutely no effort?

And these are just a few of the reasons why a sharp wouldn't post their plays to a general audience. There are quite a few others. There is absolutely no good reason for a sharp to do so other than for the admiration of an undeserving audience.

That was an unexpected sanity break.

[losturmarbles]

I love it when Crazyl tries to take shots at me from his $15 an hour job.

I never thought anyone could be worse at this than BBD, but here it is.

clever. he makes a silly comment and you get offended? so much that you have to retaliate with a personal potshot? and one that only validates what he said to start with.
there's something seriously fcked up in your head that the only way you can respond to someone is with a condescending remark. you have the emotional-mental sensibilities of a 15 year old. you have got to be the most desolate person on this board. i remember reading your posts to betillbroke (a complete dummy that needed a ass ringing) a couple of weeks back and thinking, wow durito must be getting laid or something, he's not his usual dickhead self. then come to find out, your bragging about some new girlfriend. who wouldve thunk? but the fact that you need to brag goes back to your whole deal. youre a miserable son of a bitch, and lord know kind of issues this girl has. i guess you can pay her $15 a day though and that would make her like the second richest person in town. next to you of course.

[Tsoprano]

clever. he makes a silly comment and you get offended? so much that you have to retaliate with a personal potshot? and one that only validates what he said to start with.
there's something seriously fcked up in your head that the only way you can respond to someone is with a condescending remark. you have the emotional-mental sensibilities of a 15 year old. you have got to be the most desolate person on this board. i remember reading your posts to betillbroke (a complete dummy that needed a ass ringing) a couple of weeks back and thinking, wow durito must be getting laid or something, he's not his usual dickhead self. then come to find out, your bragging about some new girlfriend. who wouldve thunk? but the fact that you need to brag goes back to your whole deal. youre a miserable son of a bitch, and lord know kind of issues this girl has. i guess you can pay her $15 a day though and that would make her like the second richest person in town. next to you of course.

........

........oly shit.

[pavyracer]

clever. he makes a silly comment and you get offended? so much that you have to retaliate with a personal potshot? and one that only validates what he said to start with.
there's something seriously fcked up in your head that the only way you can respond to someone is with a condescending remark. you have the emotional-mental sensibilities of a 15 year old. you have got to be the most desolate person on this board. i remember reading your posts to betillbroke (a complete dummy that needed a ass ringing) a couple of weeks back and thinking, wow durito must be getting laid or something, he's not his usual dickhead self. then come to find out, your bragging about some new girlfriend. who wouldve thunk? but the fact that you need to brag goes back to your whole deal. youre a miserable son of a bitch, and lord know kind of issues this girl has. i guess you can pay her $15 a day though and that would make her like the second richest person in town. next to you of course.

You are confusing durito with batemanpatrickl.

[9.Inch.Delivery]

decent reply by englishm

[Fiasco]

jello,

i don't handicap ever.. it's a waste of time. anyone that thinks they are ahead of the game by saying a team is 12-1 at home, and 9-0 on grass, etc, are wasting their time.. that shit don't exist. it's all applied into the line and it's the past..

The only way i do it is if a line is -120/+110, and i see a book has -107, i bet the fav. if i see a book has a +117, i am betting the dog.. that's how i do it... i stare at a screen all day and i always see a few of these each day and i bang it out..

i also get a phone call from my guy telling me to jump on a game cause they have some strong info on that specific game, or they know of a late scratch, etc...

that's the only way i gamble.. trying to pick winners is a waste of time, UNLESS you have a good #..

so a line that is available at one book at +176, -178 but is +169, -179 at another book you would play the +175 just because it's 6 cents better than the next best available odds, while the favorite is essentially the same (varying by only 1)

forget ur sources/connections, I understand you also do that... but this is what you're essentially saying you do when making bets, correct?

[Justin7]

so a line that is available at one book at +176, -178 but is +169, -179 at another book you would play the +175 just because it's 6 cents better than the next best available odds, while the favorite is essentially the same (varying by only 1)

forget ur sources/connections, I understand you also do that... but this is what you're essentially saying you do when making bets, correct?

Maybe, maybe not. I'd never bet something blindly based on one book without a scalp. I'd look very closely at Matchbook's odds (especially within 1 hour of gametime). Odds are any "locks" at off-market books will be scalpable then.

[onthewhat]

Right and I wasn't knocking you here.

I was just challenging jj's definition of "proof". Just saying that you don't have a documented record here and I accept your expaination why.

Meanwhile, I post every day and update my record daily, so everyone can see there is no fudging going on.

I take it you don't watch the videos posted on SBR.

JJ has been calling books to settle Nicky's disputes at the books that kick him out, take away bonuses, etc. and Nicky is up confirmed by bookmakers like Tony from 5Dimes, Anthony Torres of Bookmaker/Cris, and Scotty from Bet Jamaica a total of about 130-140k from about 4 or 5 books. Confirmed by the books themselves on the phone, posted in video.