Why are Caps to win cup +900 but Pens +350?

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  • mathdotcom
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    • 03-24-08
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    #1
    Why are Caps to win cup +900 but Pens +350?
    ... especially given that the Caps are -140 to beat the Penguins in game 7 tomorrow.
  • pavyracer
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    #2
    Originally posted by mathdotcom
    ... especially given that the Caps are -140 to beat the Penguins in game 7 tomorrow.
    That's easy. Cause if the Pens win they have a chance to win the cup. If the Caps win they would be swept.
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    • BeatTheJerk
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      #3
      this is a very good price for the Caps in my opinion , but then again I don't follow much hockey ................... but I do get why your question is raised here that doesn't seem right to me at all.
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      • mathdotcom
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        #4
        Originally posted by pavyracer
        That's easy. Cause if the Pens win they have a chance to win the cup. If the Caps win they would be swept.
        It seems you're violating the transitive axiom.

        You're saying Pens > Bruins/Hurricanes, but if Caps win this series, it should be safe to say Caps > Pens.

        Unless you believe, for some reason, the Caps' style of play will fail miserably against a team like Boston/Carolina, but the Pens will flourish against Boston/Carolina...
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        • pavyracer
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          #5
          I'm saying that if the Pens win they will eliminate the Canes but if the Caps win they would lose to Canes because they played them more as division rivals.
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          • Shortstop
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            #6
            Where are you getting these odds?
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            • mathdotcom
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              #7
              Originally posted by pavyracer
              I'm saying that if the Pens win they will eliminate the Canes but if the Caps win they would lose to Canes because they played them more as division rivals.
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              • mathdotcom
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                #8
                Lines are at Royal
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                • blittydeuce
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by pavyracer
                  I'm saying that if the Pens win they will eliminate the Canes but if the Caps win they would lose to Canes because they played them more as division rivals.
                  thats the dumbest thing you have ever said pavy
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                  • Shortstop
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                    #10
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                    • mathdotcom
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                      #11
                      lol shortstop

                      where did you get that???
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                      • pavyracer
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by blittydeuce
                        thats the dumbest thing you have ever said pavy
                        I think the oddsmakers are giving +900 to Caps because they believe the Canes will give them a tougher challenge than the Pens +360. It's much harder to beat division rivals in a 7 game series. This is assuming the Canes go by Bruins.
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                        • mathdotcom
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                          #13
                          Why is it harder to beat division rivals..?
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                          • yisman
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                            #14
                            Those odds make no sense. Before the Washington/Pittsburgh series, Pittsburgh had slightly shorter odds to win the Cup despite being series underdogs. I agreed with that, because Pittsburgh has a better chance to go all the way than Washington. However, +900 is way out of whack. Can we have a link?
                            [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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                            [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                            • pavyracer
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by mathdotcom
                              Why is it harder to beat division rivals..?
                              Because you face them 8-10 times a year. They know all your strengths and weaknesses. The crowd is more hostile on the road. These match ups always go to 7 games and everything is a toss up.
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                              • mathdotcom
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                                #16
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                                • reno cool
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                                  #17
                                  the pens +360 is a terrible bet.
                                  I've noticed before the start of series similar thing too.
                                  pit+750
                                  was+900
                                  though Wash was fav.
                                  I'm guessing they figure some people love the pens and will take price.

                                  Even if they are +100 in the remaining 3 series true odds would now be +700.

                                  But they're likely to be huge dogs to Detroit, dogs today and to Boston. Maybe slight favs to Car.
                                  My true odds estimate: 12/1
                                  bird bird da bird's da word
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                                  • reno cool
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by mathdotcom
                                    .

                                    those lines are just horrible

                                    Anaheim should be like 30/1
                                    bird bird da bird's da word
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                                    • mathdotcom
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                                      #19
                                      I wouldnt take Pens at 350 even if they beat the Caps
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                                      • yisman
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                                        #20
                                        yeah, the most glaring lines are Washington and Pittsburgh.

                                        Chicago and Pittsburgh having the same line?

                                        Washington having the same line as Anaheim even though Washington is arguably better and only has to win one game as opposed to two?
                                        [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                        [/quote]

                                        [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                                        • donjuan
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                                          #21
                                          But they're likely to be huge dogs to Detroit, dogs today and to Boston. Maybe slight favs to Car.
                                          My true odds estimate: 12/1
                                          Lol.
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                                          • reno cool
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                                            #22
                                            Why not elaborate?
                                            bird bird da bird's da word
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                                            • donjuan
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                                              #23
                                              What are/were your estimates of Detroit vs. Chicago, Chicago vs. Anaheim, Boston vs. Wash, Carolina vs. Wash and Detroit, Chicago and Anaheim vs. Wash fair value series lines?
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                                              • reno cool
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                                                #24
                                                I'm going off the top of my head. Bostons win hurts the chances of both Pit and Wash.
                                                Det vs Chi -200
                                                chi vs ana -130
                                                bos vs was-150
                                                was vs car-140
                                                det vs was-180
                                                was vs chi-130
                                                was vs ana-130

                                                how's that?
                                                bird bird da bird's da word
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                                                • Flyers09
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                                                  #25
                                                  pens r favored because i believe they won last years eastern confrence finals, and out of the 4 teams left int he eastern conference..they are the only ones who made it this far and beyond, books are assuming the penguins will do it all over again...

                                                  for the wings to be favored as stanley cup champs, is insane, they had chance after chance tonight to put away the ducks, and couldnt. i dont see them winning this year.

                                                  Im sticking with my instinct, first i had a feeling the flyers would make it to the finals. They got eliminated and just had a very very strong feeling the caps are going far, it felt stronger then the flyers instinct before the playoffs began(but i desregarded it only b/c im a flyers fan). Lets hope I am right.

                                                  +300 is a solid bet i might jump on for winning eastern conference finals..Capitals
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                                                  • donjuan
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                                                    #26
                                                    Now using the rough market prices at the time of your post of Det-Ana -675, Wash-Pitt -130 and Car-Bos -180, you can do the math and figure out fair value. Hint: your estimated series prices don't come close to 12/1.
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                                                    • reno cool
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                                                      #27
                                                      the simple .45 x .5 x.33 seems close enough
                                                      12.5-1

                                                      with Ana 7-1.

                                                      what part do you disagree with?
                                                      bird bird da bird's da word
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                                                      • blittydeuce
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by reno cool
                                                        those lines are just horrible

                                                        Anaheim should be like 30/1

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                                                        • reno cool
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                                                          #29
                                                          of course it's different now.
                                                          bird bird da bird's da word
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                                                          • pavyracer
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                                                            #30
                                                            the books are never wrong
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                                                            • yisman
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Flyers09
                                                              pens r favored because i believe they won last years eastern confrence finals, and out of the 4 teams left int he eastern conference..they are the only ones who made it this far and beyond, books are assuming the penguins will do it all over again...

                                                              for the wings to be favored as stanley cup champs, is insane, they had chance after chance tonight to put away the ducks, and couldnt. i dont see them winning this year.

                                                              Im sticking with my instinct, first i had a feeling the flyers would make it to the finals. They got eliminated and just had a very very strong feeling the caps are going far, it felt stronger then the flyers instinct before the playoffs began(but i desregarded it only b/c im a flyers fan). Lets hope I am right.

                                                              +300 is a solid bet i might jump on for winning eastern conference finals..Capitals
                                                              By the way, I was right.

                                                              Flyers, Capitals, and Flames not only didn't make the Finals, but they didn't make the conference finals.
                                                              [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                                              [/quote]

                                                              [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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